So over the last X amount of time I've been upgrading various parts of this PC, but now it's at the point where I need to replace a few things, so, I was wondering a couple things;
- I have 2gb of PC3200 DDR RAM, will it be compatible with a new mobo
- I'm planning on getting an XFX 7800GT, so need a good PCI-E mobo to go with it
- What CPU should I get? C2Duo, C2Quad?
- After a new case also, this one sucks
Aside from that, I'll be getting a couple new HDD's, but I know enough about those myself. Everything else in the box is fine I think, unless I forgot something important. Oh, and the PSU I have is a Neo HE 430, but don't REALLY want to upgrade it. Aside from that, if there's anything I've forgotten let me know.
So yeah, after a new motherboard, new CPU and new case. Other stuff I've already looked into myself.
Halp! Upgrades
fenix
Lurid
You're going to want to replace everything most likely. Also, chances are good you can pick up something better than the 7800GT for the same price as it.
What are you planning on doing primarily? For general usage / gaming a dual core is quite good, and runs cooler than a quad. The E8400 is a good buy.
What are you planning on doing primarily? For general usage / gaming a dual core is quite good, and runs cooler than a quad. The E8400 is a good buy.
Snograt
What is really helpful in enquiries such as this is a budget - give us a price range and we'll give you recommendations.
Have to say, if you're after a new mobo, cpu, gpu and case - you're pretty much talking a whole new system. RAM and drives are fairly minor purchases on top of that
Have to say, if you're after a new mobo, cpu, gpu and case - you're pretty much talking a whole new system. RAM and drives are fairly minor purchases on top of that
fenix
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Originally Posted by Lurid
You're going to want to replace everything most likely. Also, chances are good you can pick up something better than the 7800GT for the same price as it.
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As for the rest of the box, I only got the RAM recently, and cba paying for more. If this will work on a newer mobo, I don't really care about it being slightly slow. I'm not a tard - I use XP, so for the most part 2gb is more than enough for gaming and photoshop, even if it is a little old.
I think for budget, something like 200ish on a mobo, similar amount on a cpu, and whatever case is necessary to hold it all (read as; not a fancy big glow in the dark flames up the side aerodynamically designed case)
Brianna
Well, no ''new'' motherboard is going to support PC3200 DDR, the newest additions support DDR3 now, but mainly DDR2 / w PC 6400 seems to be the most popular. So chances are if you buy a new motherboard it won't support it, it would have to be an old one, and then you couldn't support a new processor and such.
And the 7800 is just kind of old and slow performance wise compared to things that are the same price in other words - but it is different over there as you say, so I'm not going to press that issue as I understand.
So.. 200$ Aus? I'll have to do some converting and stuff. Is there a website of the place you plan to buy the stuff from by any chance?
And the 7800 is just kind of old and slow performance wise compared to things that are the same price in other words - but it is different over there as you say, so I'm not going to press that issue as I understand.
So.. 200$ Aus? I'll have to do some converting and stuff. Is there a website of the place you plan to buy the stuff from by any chance?
fenix
That's what I was hoping wouldn't be the case, that I was able to get a motherboard that was backwards compatible all the way to PC3200.
In that case, I guess I'll have to get some cheapish DDR2 RAM :P
For the most part, the research I've done on GPU's (mostly minimal and price range specific) the 7800GT is good value. I had a 7600GS till a few weeks ago when it died on me, and it was a quite good card for what I was using it for (GW, CoD4, TF2, etc). I think I would probably want a newer XFX card, as I've found that they are the brand I'm most happy with.
I have ordered quite a few parts through Scorp Tech in Melbourne in the past, so this is their site (http://www.scorptec.com.au/). They have a wide range of parts, and can order them in if they are available as well. Seems to be a wide range of XFX cards too.
I'm just lacking that extra bit of knowledge on mother boards (I know most pros/cons about other parts) to make the decision myself, so if there's a motherboard/CPU/RAM/GPU setup that I would be best purchasing from scorptech it would be much appreciated
Edit: As an additional note, don't worry about the RAM having a large BUS speed or anything, just 2GB of something decent will do me fine :P
Edit2: My cooling sucks currently, so I would want something good to keep it all running smooth. Anything short of water would be excellent
In that case, I guess I'll have to get some cheapish DDR2 RAM :P
For the most part, the research I've done on GPU's (mostly minimal and price range specific) the 7800GT is good value. I had a 7600GS till a few weeks ago when it died on me, and it was a quite good card for what I was using it for (GW, CoD4, TF2, etc). I think I would probably want a newer XFX card, as I've found that they are the brand I'm most happy with.
I have ordered quite a few parts through Scorp Tech in Melbourne in the past, so this is their site (http://www.scorptec.com.au/). They have a wide range of parts, and can order them in if they are available as well. Seems to be a wide range of XFX cards too.
I'm just lacking that extra bit of knowledge on mother boards (I know most pros/cons about other parts) to make the decision myself, so if there's a motherboard/CPU/RAM/GPU setup that I would be best purchasing from scorptech it would be much appreciated
Edit: As an additional note, don't worry about the RAM having a large BUS speed or anything, just 2GB of something decent will do me fine :P
Edit2: My cooling sucks currently, so I would want something good to keep it all running smooth. Anything short of water would be excellent
Brianna
Well, good value depending on how much more an 8800GT costs, or even an 8600GT, because those over-shadow the 7 series by far and support Dx10, they are much more powerful.
I'll look on the site, so far;
*Motherboard: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/27193 Asus P5K-EPU S775, P35, FSB1333, DDR2, PCIEx16, SATA2, 1394a, GbLAN, ATX, EPU
*Processor: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/25577 Intel E8400, little over 200$ but it is an awesome processor, hands down.
Later I can post some more stuff. I was just giving you a Mobo/Processor idea.
Btw, 200$ AUD = 192$ USD roughly? Forgive if it is off a little bit.
Bah, and Power Supplies are a whole beast of a story to explain, so I'll have to bring that up later unless someone wants to take the liberty.
I'll look on the site, so far;
*Motherboard: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/27193 Asus P5K-EPU S775, P35, FSB1333, DDR2, PCIEx16, SATA2, 1394a, GbLAN, ATX, EPU
*Processor: http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/25577 Intel E8400, little over 200$ but it is an awesome processor, hands down.
Later I can post some more stuff. I was just giving you a Mobo/Processor idea.
Btw, 200$ AUD = 192$ USD roughly? Forgive if it is off a little bit.
Bah, and Power Supplies are a whole beast of a story to explain, so I'll have to bring that up later unless someone wants to take the liberty.
Kattar
As far as buying a power supply, Brianna?
I'd go with whatever your gfx card needs. Add 100 or 200 watts on top of the requirements, so the power supply doesn't have to work hard all the time, and you should be safe. From what I remember, (haven't spec'd a pc in awhile) the gfx card is going to be the most determinant thing, after the processor and mobo. Newer cards need moar power!
Or is that not what you meant?
I'd go with whatever your gfx card needs. Add 100 or 200 watts on top of the requirements, so the power supply doesn't have to work hard all the time, and you should be safe. From what I remember, (haven't spec'd a pc in awhile) the gfx card is going to be the most determinant thing, after the processor and mobo. Newer cards need moar power!
Or is that not what you meant?
Brianna
Well, buying one, and explaining what to look for and why, amps, watts, rails, etc.
But as a basis yes you are correct - buy one based on what your video card requires, and hopefully up it a little bit.
But as a basis yes you are correct - buy one based on what your video card requires, and hopefully up it a little bit.
Kattar
You've got me on rails and such, since I've never had to buy one for my pc. Other than finding out what your pc has and matching those requirements, then adding to them, that's basically all I've got.
I'm lacking a little bit in the hardware department.
I'm lacking a little bit in the hardware department.
fenix
The CPU and Motherboard seem to be both pretty good, and nice prices, so thanks a heap Brianna
I think I will go with one of the XFX cards, most likely one of the 8600GT's (fair bit cheaper than 8800GTs) or maybe look at another brand of 8800GT, just not sure yet. If anyone has a suggestion it'd be helpful, the 8800GT cards I keep finding are a little more than I'm hoping to spend.
tyvm for the suggestions so far Brianna, it's a big help
I think I will go with one of the XFX cards, most likely one of the 8600GT's (fair bit cheaper than 8800GTs) or maybe look at another brand of 8800GT, just not sure yet. If anyone has a suggestion it'd be helpful, the 8800GT cards I keep finding are a little more than I'm hoping to spend.
tyvm for the suggestions so far Brianna, it's a big help
Evil Genius
Personally would get:
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3 $147
1600MHz FSB, 1200MHz DDR2, 2x16 PCI-E CrossfireX
Processor: E7200 $149
2.53GHz Wolfdale with great OC potential. Go for E8400 if you have spare cash.
RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz $46
Minimum amount for any serious gamer wanting to play the latest games.
Sound Card: Integrated
Onboard sound will suit the majority of people as most provide support for 7.1 speakers.
Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU) $53
Tool-free design. Air filter. 120mm fans. Nice case at a good price.
Power Supply: Coolermaster Extreme 500W $69
500w of good solid power.
Comes to $464. Get a 9600GT (cheap), 8800GT (better), 4850 (best) depending on how much u want to spend.
All from MSY. If u ignore the fact that they're fat Asians who can't design a website, you have the cheapest computer store in Australia. Eg mobo Brianna suggested was P35 Chipset, one I suggested was P45 and cheaper. Therefore, if you put perforance/cost ratio ahead of customer loyalty to shops/brands you will be better off.
Btw I started choosing parts b4 running off to an Aussie forum I visit and copy pasting. Credit to ]{ing Nothing from PCPP for most of that list.
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3 $147
1600MHz FSB, 1200MHz DDR2, 2x16 PCI-E CrossfireX
Processor: E7200 $149
2.53GHz Wolfdale with great OC potential. Go for E8400 if you have spare cash.
RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz $46
Minimum amount for any serious gamer wanting to play the latest games.
Sound Card: Integrated
Onboard sound will suit the majority of people as most provide support for 7.1 speakers.
Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU) $53
Tool-free design. Air filter. 120mm fans. Nice case at a good price.
Power Supply: Coolermaster Extreme 500W $69
500w of good solid power.
Comes to $464. Get a 9600GT (cheap), 8800GT (better), 4850 (best) depending on how much u want to spend.
All from MSY. If u ignore the fact that they're fat Asians who can't design a website, you have the cheapest computer store in Australia. Eg mobo Brianna suggested was P35 Chipset, one I suggested was P45 and cheaper. Therefore, if you put perforance/cost ratio ahead of customer loyalty to shops/brands you will be better off.
Btw I started choosing parts b4 running off to an Aussie forum I visit and copy pasting. Credit to ]{ing Nothing from PCPP for most of that list.
Tamuril elansar
i got the EP45 DS3, its a pretty good mobo. i do suggest to get the newest bios version and update it right away.
fenix
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Personally would get:
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3 $147 1600MHz FSB, 1200MHz DDR2, 2x16 PCI-E CrossfireX Processor: E7200 $149 2.53GHz Wolfdale with great OC potential. Go for E8400 if you have spare cash. RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz $46 Minimum amount for any serious gamer wanting to play the latest games. Sound Card: Integrated Onboard sound will suit the majority of people as most provide support for 7.1 speakers. Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU) $53 Tool-free design. Air filter. 120mm fans. Nice case at a good price. Power Supply: Coolermaster Extreme 500W $69 500w of good solid power. Comes to $464. Get a 9600GT (cheap), 8800GT (better), 4850 (best) depending on how much u want to spend. All from MSY. If u ignore the fact that they're fat Asians who can't design a website, you have the cheapest computer store in Australia. Eg mobo Brianna suggested was P35 Chipset, one I suggested was P45 and cheaper. Therefore, if you put perforance/cost ratio ahead of customer loyalty to shops/brands you will be better off. Btw I started choosing parts b4 running off to an Aussie forum I visit and copy pasting. Credit to ]{ing Nothing from PCPP for most of that list. |
Also, regarding the fat asian comment, I laughed when I saw that they have an MSY at Box Hill :P
fenix
So as a bump-style adding of info/question, I looked through the MSY website, and the format is so bad it broke my head. Anyone able to have a look through and re-find some good parts that I would be best getting? The motherboard and Graphics card that Brianna suggested would be great, as well as the other things I'm after
Lurid
Flipping through it now, but wow that is one terribad website.
fenix
I know right? At least they have cheap parts and are in lots of locations...otherwise I would assume everything is stolen or fake.
Evil Genius
Yes, that website could be designed better by an one year old. Use the PDF, it is not as bad (although it still uses terrible highlighting).
Get the motherboard I suggested because it is a newer chipset and generally held in high regard.
Brianna suggested the 8600GT ($47), 8800GT ($207), and I add the 9600GT ($141) to that.
Please do not got for the E8400 ($207) and the 8600GT ($47). Video card matters more than CPU for games. It would be better to go with the E7200 ($149) and 9600GT ($141). Basically run what you choose past us before you decide to buy it.
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Brianna suggested the 8600GT ($47), 8800GT ($207), and I add the 9600GT ($141) to that.
Please do not got for the E8400 ($207) and the 8600GT ($47). Video card matters more than CPU for games. It would be better to go with the E7200 ($149) and 9600GT ($141). Basically run what you choose past us before you decide to buy it.
Brianna
I agree on the 9600, it is a good card.
The E7200 is 45nm too and is generally good, I guess I just personally favor the E8400 as it is a nice fast dual core for games, even at stock.
I noticed the motherboard I recommended has the 20+4pin power plug in a weird / and inconvenient place, but that shouldn't deter things too much. Gigabyte makes good boards too Imo so whatever works best.
The E7200 is 45nm too and is generally good, I guess I just personally favor the E8400 as it is a nice fast dual core for games, even at stock.
I noticed the motherboard I recommended has the 20+4pin power plug in a weird / and inconvenient place, but that shouldn't deter things too much. Gigabyte makes good boards too Imo so whatever works best.
fenix
Ok, so, would this all be compatible;
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3
CPU: E8400
Graphics: 9600GT or 8800GT
Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU)
RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz or whatever is better
Total cost;
594
OR
660
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3
CPU: E8400
Graphics: 9600GT or 8800GT
Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU)
RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz or whatever is better
Total cost;
594
OR
660
Brianna
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Ok, so, would this all be compatible;
Motherboard: Gigabyte EP45 DS3 CPU: E8400 Graphics: 9600GT or 8800GT Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-330 (no PSU) RAM: 2G A-DATA 800Mhz or whatever is better Total cost; 594 OR 660 |
That would be a nice system though yes.
fenix
Found this in the specs for that motherboard;
Support for DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz memory modules
Support for DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz memory modules
Brianna
Alright good, well then that seems to be a solid system to me.
fenix
So I'm gonna be buying all this stuff in 2 days, just had one question;
The Kingston RAM I'm gonna get has 5-5-5-15 in the name, what is it?
The Kingston RAM I'm gonna get has 5-5-5-15 in the name, what is it?
Brianna
Those are the timings, my old kingston ran at 5-5-5-15, but I was going to try to set it to 4-4-4-12, or some other timings, I forget.
Your motherboard will auto detect the timings and voltages, but with my Kingston they recommended changing the timings and bumping the voltages up for better performance. It depends, all depends. It's nothing to worry about though.
Your motherboard will auto detect the timings and voltages, but with my Kingston they recommended changing the timings and bumping the voltages up for better performance. It depends, all depends. It's nothing to worry about though.
Tamuril elansar
i got the gigabyte ep45 DS3, ddr2 800mhz works very fine with it, sometimes you'll need to update the bios though, old version of the bios can give trouble with some DDR2 modules.