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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
Every bar in PvE is Ursan Blessing, unless your a monk then it's HB.
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I love sardelac. Inde, could you merge it with something? Like trash?
Auto-Ping Skills
MirkoTeran
I love sardelac. Inde, could you merge it with something? Like trash?
Hyper.nl
Hm, I've seen people who run 'super-secret' builds. I think they don't want to ping nor auto-ping. Not everyone is willing to share their combinations. (Even if they suck)
Just something to keep in mind.
Just something to keep in mind.
RiKio
Yeah but...What happens when you are not the leader and the leader chooses to maintain the ``Super-Secret-Skillbar´´ member? Then you will rage when you see that Super Skillbar is a Warrior with Backfire..........
I shall seem elitist but.../signed. Therefore I can evaluate others build and recommend them how to improve it. Not just for blaming for wearing a bad build.
I shall seem elitist but.../signed. Therefore I can evaluate others build and recommend them how to improve it. Not just for blaming for wearing a bad build.
pumpkin pie
lol, sorry not signed
my humble opinion.
I never ask player to ping build to see if they can play the game with me. I only ever ask player to ping build when I want to copy their build.
Plus I am not going to share my build with any tom dick and harry i happen to pug with, much less the ones that want to force people to ping their build.
therefore you don't get my vote for this.
/not signed.
my humble opinion.
I never ask player to ping build to see if they can play the game with me. I only ever ask player to ping build when I want to copy their build.
Plus I am not going to share my build with any tom dick and harry i happen to pug with, much less the ones that want to force people to ping their build.
therefore you don't get my vote for this.
/not signed.
Antheus
Someone not showing a build means:
- they are not team players
- they lack confidence (ashamed of their builds, or uncertain if they'll work)
- they lack experience (don't know if their build is the right one for the area)
- they don't know how to ping (well...)
Ask them yourself. The only difference between leader and member is that leader has one extra button on their party window. If leader has problems with authority, it's a good sign to leave anyway.
The purpose of pinging isn't showing off, it's ensuring that you don't end up with 2 healing monks or 3 MMs or something like that.
Either way, not wanting to ping skills, or better yet, doing it on their own upon joining, is a sure way of finding out people who won't fit into the team.
Then again, that would be old game, today everyone's either ursan or monk, so who cares about team play.
So not having this option is better. It serves as much more reliable filter than anything.
And as always: GW PvE used to be serious business, heh. Today, you're either Ursan, Monk or SF sin. Either that or playing with guild or heroes.
- they are not team players
- they lack confidence (ashamed of their builds, or uncertain if they'll work)
- they lack experience (don't know if their build is the right one for the area)
- they don't know how to ping (well...)
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The purpose of pinging isn't showing off, it's ensuring that you don't end up with 2 healing monks or 3 MMs or something like that.
Either way, not wanting to ping skills, or better yet, doing it on their own upon joining, is a sure way of finding out people who won't fit into the team.
Then again, that would be old game, today everyone's either ursan or monk, so who cares about team play.
So not having this option is better. It serves as much more reliable filter than anything.
And as always: GW PvE used to be serious business, heh. Today, you're either Ursan, Monk or SF sin. Either that or playing with guild or heroes.
Tyla
If they don't ping it's either bad or they're afraid it would be "stolen".
Whichever position the person not pinging is in, they are bad. Simply as.
/Notsigned.
Whichever position the person not pinging is in, they are bad. Simply as.
/Notsigned.
JupiterStarWarrior
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
Every bar in PvE is Ursan Blessing, unless your a monk then it's HB.
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At any rate, I'd like to see my party's builds so I can adjust to what I can or cannot do. For example, if there are no healing monks in my party, I'd like to take over in that respect and do a Fast Cast Healer/Protector using Signet of Illusions. And, forcing someone to show his or her build is kind of wrong; it sort of offers the opportunity to change the build to something that is totally out of whack, something out of the box, or even something that could make or break the mission and/or quest.
Also, I am known to make slight changes to my build (or my Heroes' builds) in order to accommodate my party's strengths and weaknesses. After I'm done, I'll ping the build and will accept constructive criticism about that build. For example, if I were a Necromancer, and someone asks for Blood Ritual to keep energy up, I'll drop something and put it in.
It is also a double-bladed sword: someone will look at my Signet of Illusions and say it's a sucky build because I use SoI. Well, I happen to know how to use it and am in the habit of keeping SoI on me at all times, so I don't really see how it's a bad build.
In conclusion, I do not agree for an "auto-ping skill bar" idea.
Improvavel
Most useless idea ever. Who cares about the build anyone came with?
What matters is the builds everyone running and then changing accordingly due to each others build and/or area being done.
That conjure ranger build might be good, but if in a heavy physical team with order of pain is bad...
What matters is the builds everyone running and then changing accordingly due to each others build and/or area being done.
That conjure ranger build might be good, but if in a heavy physical team with order of pain is bad...
flclempire
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Originally Posted by gremlin
Would never ping my build to anyone except maybe a member of my Guild.
There isn't really any point and its certainly none of their business. Suppose they have a build you think is wrong, now you may think this gives you the right to lecture them on what makes a good build. First of all who is the most experienced at GW you or them they may just know something about the build you don't. Second if they change their build they will be inexperienced in using the new one so prob not as good as leaving them with a build they are happy with. Third it leaves them open to abuse from idiots who will spam everyone else in the area with don't take the noob. Most of those who criticize others builds seem to be of the I know what's best its on guildwiki type of player. Its like knowing 3 chess openings and thinking your an expert, sorry you aren't. I like experimenting with new builds and varying old ones and its none of your business. btw when you ping your build back to them are you willing to listen to any comments on your build ? -------- Thought not /notsigned |
Currently people are interested in getting stuff done, not marveling at how you made an efficient build inefficient just because Heal Area is your favorite move.
gremlin
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Originally Posted by flclempire
Then you should hit the road with some henchies and stop being a baby
Currently people are interested in getting stuff done, not marveling at how you made an efficient build inefficient just because Heal Area is your favorite move. |
I do usually check if my build works with other party members usually when I see a party member of the same class and we will have 2 necro or 2 ele.
Because I don't want to counter what they are doing.
This is because I have been playing for a couple of years and do on the whole know what I am doing in pve.
I only accept your views hold water in the elite areas of the game there party composition and correct skill usage are essential.
we will have to agree to disagree I guess
ilipol
since my previous post on this thread was deleted ...
/notsigned
... it looks like you can't reply in a thread, the same way with the one who started it.
/notsigned
... it looks like you can't reply in a thread, the same way with the one who started it.
eximiis
Is that really important to know the bar of other ppl ?
You can finish all gw campain with nothing on your bar and 7 henchmen. So i'm pretty sure any build with 8 skills would be better.
Ppl like cookies !!
For elite area, well there's what you call guild friend. Much funnier and much easier.
/notsigned. Leave ppl the choice.
You can finish all gw campain with nothing on your bar and 7 henchmen. So i'm pretty sure any build with 8 skills would be better.
Ppl like cookies !!
For elite area, well there's what you call guild friend. Much funnier and much easier.
/notsigned. Leave ppl the choice.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by eximiis
Is that really important to know the bar of other ppl ?
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This is GW. It is important to know other people's builds, because skill synergy is one of the most important parts of the metagame.
If you know what others have, you can make a more effective build.
Specially in PvP.
eximiis
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
This is GW. It is important to know other people's builds, because skill synergy is one of the most important parts of the metagame.
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PVE is for pew pew the monster with whatever skills on your bar !!
p.s. Vanquishing can't be done without organized build. but like i said you can finish pve with henchmen and i'm pretty sure every noob, stupid ppl, angry ppl, can come up with something better then a henchmen.
lutz
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
/notsigned
Yes, "every build ever invented is on pvxwiki." |
Zorrilo Gw
/notsigned. Would be annoying when joining parties for other than questing/mission (ie selling for example). If they refuse, just kick if you're worried.
Alex Morningstar
/notsigned
Considering what someone else said, that you can do PvE with an empty bar, I fail to see the point of auto-pinging a bar. Nevermind it would get pretty damn annoying pretty damn quick.
If they don't ping, kick them. If the leader wont kick them, you leave. It's easy and you don't have to add any coding that wasn't going to happen anyway seeing as GW is in the wind for GW2.
Considering what someone else said, that you can do PvE with an empty bar, I fail to see the point of auto-pinging a bar. Nevermind it would get pretty damn annoying pretty damn quick.
If they don't ping, kick them. If the leader wont kick them, you leave. It's easy and you don't have to add any coding that wasn't going to happen anyway seeing as GW is in the wind for GW2.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by lutz
No it isn't.
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Good random +1 though
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Sai Rith
I'm tired of that Nub that refuses to ping his bar for no reason. I'm sure everyone else is too. What I propose is when someone joins the party, their skills automatically get pinged.
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I've been asked to ping my bar(which I will because I know my bars work)
But the leader asks me to replace a couple skills with ones he likes but makes the build completely unreliable and I end up doing alot less damage or if im healing people start dying because I use his build.
teams succeeded at Missions/Elite Areas long before the ability to png and they will continue to do so.
And besides its not hard to load a template AFTER the builds been pinged.
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Originally Posted by eximiis
p.s. Vanquishing can't be done without organized build.
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gremlin
Probably the main reason for all this pinging in much of the game comes down to the ability of the players.
If you one of those who believe you always need two monks in a party for the mission to succeed.
Or have a preconcieved idea that all parties must have 1 wamo 2 ele 1 ss necro and interupting ranger etc etc then that's the reason your so build crazy.
This is mainly down to inexperience
Any six fairly good players can do most of the missions in the game, maybe not all but most no matter what their build and with pretty much any classes.
If you want to do all missions in the shortest possible time aiming to get the max bonus for an area.
Or are in an elite area or hard mode then yes party build and cooperation makes life a heck of a lot easier.
If you one of those who believe you always need two monks in a party for the mission to succeed.
Or have a preconcieved idea that all parties must have 1 wamo 2 ele 1 ss necro and interupting ranger etc etc then that's the reason your so build crazy.
This is mainly down to inexperience
Any six fairly good players can do most of the missions in the game, maybe not all but most no matter what their build and with pretty much any classes.
If you want to do all missions in the shortest possible time aiming to get the max bonus for an area.
Or are in an elite area or hard mode then yes party build and cooperation makes life a heck of a lot easier.
eximiis
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Originally Posted by Hailey Anne
Thats not true. Ive vanquished many areas with trial builds easily.
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Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by eximiis
I mean Vanquishing the whole thing. Sure some bad builds can Vanq some easy area but not the whole game.
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Burst Cancel
I don't see the problem. If they don't ping, kick.
The behavior you guys are describing as 'elitism' is ignorance and idiocy, not elitism. I don't see anything wrong with actual elitism - that is, players who really are better that ask for build changes. People don't have any problems running builds they're told to run in PvP, I don't see why PvE would be any different.
The behavior you guys are describing as 'elitism' is ignorance and idiocy, not elitism. I don't see anything wrong with actual elitism - that is, players who really are better that ask for build changes. People don't have any problems running builds they're told to run in PvP, I don't see why PvE would be any different.
Shadowhaze
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Originally Posted by pamelf
/notsigned. Showing your skills should be your choice and your choice only.
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Originally Posted by gremlin
Would never ping my build to anyone except maybe a member of my Guild.
There isn't really any point and its certainly none of their business. Suppose they have a build you think is wrong, now you may think this gives you the right to lecture them on what makes a good build. First of all who is the most experienced at GW you or them they may just know something about the build you don't. Second if they change their build they will be inexperienced in using the new one so prob not as good as leaving them with a build they are happy with. Third it leaves them open to abuse from idiots who will spam everyone else in the area with don't take the noob. Most of those who criticize others builds seem to be of the I know what's best its on guildwiki type of player. Its like knowing 3 chess openings and thinking your an expert, sorry you aren't. I like experimenting with new builds and varying old ones and its none of your business. btw when you ping your build back to them are you willing to listen to any comments on your build ? -------- Thought not /notsigned |
I don't have a problem pinging most of the time. There are times I won't for one reason or another. And I don't mind when others ping theirs. If people give constructive criticism to each other, that's great. If they start calling others noobs and whatnot, those people are pretty sad, imo.
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
I don't see the problem. If they don't ping, kick.
The behavior you guys are describing as 'elitism' is ignorance and idiocy, not elitism. I don't see anything wrong with actual elitism - that is, players who really are better that ask for build changes. People don't have any problems running builds they're told to run in PvP, I don't see why PvE would be any different. |
Darkobra
I'll point out the obvious flaws and let you guess the rest.
1. When you join a group, you ping your current build. Right. How hard can that be to change before or after you join?
2. Supposing your skills are pinged each time you change a skill? So if I was to completely rework my earth build to a fire one or vice versa, my skills would be pinged 5-7 times.
1. When you join a group, you ping your current build. Right. How hard can that be to change before or after you join?
2. Supposing your skills are pinged each time you change a skill? So if I was to completely rework my earth build to a fire one or vice versa, my skills would be pinged 5-7 times.
Lady Raenef
/notsigned
Any reason I can think of has been stated.
Any reason I can think of has been stated.
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by Chuk Charcoales
promotes elitist discrimination. If you don't like them then kick 'em, you always have that option.
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
/notsigned
Any reason I can think of has been stated. |
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
I don't see the problem. If they don't ping, kick.
The behavior you guys are describing as 'elitism' is ignorance and idiocy, not elitism. I don't see anything wrong with actual elitism - that is, players who really are better that ask for build changes. People don't have any problems running builds they're told to run in PvP, I don't see why PvE would be any different. |
They THINK they are but doesn't make it true.
OT if they don't want to ping thats their choice and it's you're choice to kick them or see what they can do.
If you don't like that then don't pug.