What would you bring?

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Then there is no such thing as a "Balanced" team build?

[QUOTE=Tyla]Dervs, Rits and Paragons are balanced? lolz news to me[/QUOTE

to true :/

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla

Balanced, i dunno.. but when i said it, i ment the most original. When i'm joining group's ( not starting my own, cuz i would take heroes and guildies only aswell) but if i join a group, there usually end up with
Warrior
Necro
Ele
Monk
Monk
and a couple of spots for random, which usually fills in with another necro etc.
cuz i know there are alot of hate against assassins for example, but when a nuker joins or a MM necro joins, i've never heard anyone complained.


Thanks for the replies i've got so far, very intressting to see what other thinks
And I apologize for my terrible english ^^

*and of the characters i've said, i would probably take a paragon.

I usually have
-Mindblast Elementalist w/ utility
-D-slash warrior
-WoH heal/prot monk
-Discord necro/BHA ranger/elementalist
-Scythe assassin/MSDB assassin
-N/Rt healer
-SS necromancer
-Minion master/warrior/dervish

That's my usual 2 person + heroes set up. Necros are awesome in PvE ofc

If I had access to a player paragon I would take one of those.. imbagons makes things too easy though...

Quote: Originally Posted by Kusandaa
Depends so much of my group setup and where we're heading... To true, I don't Ursan so I pretty much always consult wiki prior to heading out. There is no "One balanced build" every area is different, you need different stuff.

I would just take the first skilled players I can find, not caring about professions. If they know what they are doing, you should have no problems anywhere.

Ditch the necro, bring a Para and a Rit.

sin's

who needs anything else when you have shadow form?

Quote: Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Warrior - KD
Dervish Reaper's - Sweep
Assassin - attack spam with Moebius+CriticalStrike
Ranger - Broadhead Arrow, snare traps interrupts
Paragon - General imbagon
Rit - Recovery + weapons (great dwarf, sundering weapon)
2 Monks

What this thread needs is a reality check.

Ideally, I would bring the following:

1 Warrior: KD machine - hammer skills and/or [skill]Shock[/skill], [skill]Brawling Headbutt[/skill], [skill]Club of a Thousand Bears[/skill], with [skill]A Touch of Guile[/skill] for extra shutdown.

1 Dervish: [skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill] + [skill]Veil of Thorns[/skill] + [skill]Reap Impurities[/skill] + [skill]Wearying Strike[/skill] + [skill]Contagion[/skill] + [skill]Dark Aura[/skill] + [skill]Signet of Agony[/skill]

1 Paragon: [skill]There's Nothing To Fear![/skill] + [skill]Go for the Eyes![/skill] + [skill]They're on Fire![/skill] + [skill]Save Yourselves![/skill] + [skill]Focused Anger[/skill] + [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill] + [skill]Hexbreaker Aria[/skill]

1 Ranger: [skill]Broad head Arrow[/skill] + [skill]Distracting Shot[/skill] + [skill]Concussion Shot[/skill] + [skill]Apply Poison[/skill] + [skill]Throw Dirt[/skill] + [skill]Screaming Shot[/skill] + [skill]Pestilence[/skill]

1 Necromancer: [skill]Foul Feast[/skill] + [skill]Plague Sending[/skill] + [skill]Weaken Armor[/skill] + [skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill] + [skill]Epidemic[/skill] + [skill]Masochism[/skill] + [skill]Cultist's Fervor[/skill]

1 Elementalist: [skill]Mind Blast[/skill] + [skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill] + [skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill] + [skill]Pain Inverter[/skill] + [skill]Finish Him![/skill] + [skill]You Move Like A Dwarf![/skill] + [skill]Blinding Flash[/skill]

1 Monk: [skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill] + [skill]Divine Spirit[/skill] + [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] + [skill]Patient Spirit[/skill] + [skill]Remove Hex[/skill] + [skill]Cure Hex[/skill] + [skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill]

1 Ritualist: [skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill] + [skill]Attuned was Songkai[/skill] + [skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill] + [skill]Great Dwarf Weapon[/skill] + [skill]Weapon of Warding[/skill] + [skill]Wielder's Boon[/skill] + [skill]Soothing Memories[/skill]

Basically, the above is condition-way on steroids: Bleeding (D, R, W if sword), Blind (E, R), Burning (E), Cracked Armor (E, N), Crippled (D, E), Dazed (R), Deep Wound (D, E, W if axe), Poison (R), Weakness (D, N). Disease is absent because it may spread through the team on occasion, though the necro could just steal it off the party and throw it back if desired. Between Epidemic, Pestilence, and Plague Sending there should be no shortage of condition transfer whatsoever.

Weakness, [skill]There's Nothing to Fear![/skill], [skill]Save Yourselves![/skill], and [skill]They're on Fire![/skill] will all reduce enemy damage output greatly. The only real danger will be keeping the necro and the dervish from dying to sacrifice, but each of the party's healers has a way to spam their skills.

Damage-wise, there are no "big guns," but party synergy should more than make up for it. [skill]Splinter Weapon[/skill], [skill]Great Dwarf Weapon[/skill] and Cracked Armor will crank up the damage of the physical attackers, and the constant condition spam should keep the enemies at max degen. And that's without even mentioning the ever-popular boss-remover, [skill]Pain Inverter[/skill].

That's what I'd run in ideal conditions. In reality, though, most pugs lack any form of coordination, and always fall back to the "tried and true" methods. What you're most likely to see is:

1 tank (to hold aggro)
2 tank (to hold aggro when tank 1 dies/ragequits)
1 nuker (to spam Mind Blast)
2 nuker (to spam Searing Flames)
1 monk (to heal)
2 monk (to prot/bond/overheal/heal when monk 1 dies/ragequits)
1 necro (a.k.a. "battery," with or without curses spells)
1 "whatever joins" - Ritualist, Ranger, Dervish or Paragon, mostly - or yet another "redundancy" slot.

Yes, I know Mesmers and Assassins aren't on the list, but that's only because most Me or A players have long given up on getting into pugs (the recent Shadow Form incident notwithstanding).

Quote: Originally Posted by Alex the Great

emmm... first of all. define "balanced team". or should it actually be "synergised team".

Quote: Originally Posted by azizul1975

Quote: Originally Posted by Dawning

Quote: Originally Posted by distilledwill

Quote: Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Quote: Originally Posted by Dawning I've been thinking about this for a while now, since ursan came there haven't been much use of other groups (This is not a QQ-thread), in FoW,DoA and other highend HM stuff.

But my question is; if you don't run ursan, and instead running a synergised team (Warrior,monk,necro,ele) what would you bring as the last spot?

Paragon, Dervish, Mesmer, Ritualist, Ranger, Assassin
Thanks =)

Edit; Added ranger and assassins.
1 Hammer war
[Earth Shaker][Crushing Blow][Hammer Bash][Counter Blow][Enraging Charge][Flail][Distracting Blow][Rebirth]

2 fire eles
[Mind Blast][Fireball][Rodgort's Invocation][Searing Heat][Meteor Shower][Fire Attunement][Glyph of Sacrifice][Death Pact Signet]

1 jagged bones necro
[Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Death Nova][Taste of Death][Signet of Lost Souls][Aegis][Resurrection Signet]


1 Power block mesmer
[Power Block][Cry of Frustration][Leech Signet][Guilt][Empathy][Diversion][Drain Enchantment][Resurrection Chant]

1 burning arrow ranger
[Burning Arrow][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Concussion Shot][Troll Unguent][Natural Stride][Apply Poison][Resurrection Signet]

1 AoE rit
[Offering of Spirit][Spirit Rift][Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Bloodsong][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Flesh of My Flesh]

1 Lod or Woh monk w/e the monk likes better
[Word of Healing][Reversal of Fortune][Guardian][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Dismiss Condition][Holy Veil][Shield of Absorption]
[Light of Deliverance][Reversal of Fortune][Guardian][Protective Spirit][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Holy Veil][Shield of Absorption]

it be something like that :P

Quote: Originally Posted by distilledwill