Well, the Dev's swung the bat and knocked the skin off the freaking ball. SF farming is no longer viable as a means to farm a very few specific areas for loot. I will not weigh in as to whether that is good or bad, and I would prefer this thread does not devolve into that. What this thread is about is what should A-Net's next step be? They have shown that they will listen to and react to the communities concerns with the state of the game when they feel it's being compromised. In the spirit of equality, should the following changes be made to show that A-Net does truly care about the "economy" of the game, and the gaming experience as a whole.
Number 1: Ursan Blessing can only be used in Norn areas.
Number 2: VwK is made an Enchantment Spell
Number 3: The Grasping Darkness's of the Clear the Chamber quest are made into these new Mindflay Specter's as well
That will effectively squash the other current "easy" methods of farming the Underworld, which was their stated goal for the SF change.
Let the discussion commence.
Edit: Mods can close thread
Here's the First of Many, with a twist
Shiishii Momo
MisterT69
Yeah, while we're at it, let't make [you move like a dwarf] and [finish him] no longer armor ignoring. And pain inverter should only deal 50% dmg max. And let's give moebius strike a 12 second recharge. That should even out PVE for now.
Syco Masato
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Yeah, while we're at it, let't make [you move like a dwarf] and [finish him] no longer armor ignoring. And pain inverter should only deal 50% dmg max. And let's give moebius strike a 12 second recharge. That should even out PVE for now.
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Brianna
I think #3 is going too far - I mean, SS/55 could only really farm Aatxe and Smites, and we all know you can go many many runs (20-30 minutes each) without Ecto, and some only net 1-3, more if you are very lucky, very lucky.
Ursan should definitely be nerfed and they said they might have plans for it in the near future, don't see how VwK is bad though.
Ursan should definitely be nerfed and they said they might have plans for it in the near future, don't see how VwK is bad though.
Lest121
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Well, the Dev's swung the bat and knocked the skin off the freaking ball. SF farming is no longer viable as a means to farm a very few specific areas for loot. I will not weigh in as to whether that is good or bad, and I would prefer this thread does not devolve into that. What this thread is about is what should A-Net's next step be? They have shown that they will listen to and react to the communities concerns with the state of the game when they feel it's being compromised. In the spirit of equality, I propose the following changes be made to show that A-Net does truly care about the "economy" of the game, and the gaming experience as a whole.
Number 1: Ursan Blessing can only be used in Norn areas. Number 2: VwK is made an Enchantment Spell Number 3: The Grasping Darkness's of the Clear the Chamber quest are made into these new Mindflay Specter's as well That will effectively squash the other current "easy" methods of farming the Underworld, which was their stated goal for the SF change. Let the discussion commence. |
OMG are you serious? you want them to Nerf W/rit also, sheeeeesh there's no end to QQers, why don't we just Nerf the entire game Turn off the servers this way you can cry that Anet dumped Guild wars......... sheeeesh
SirNazron
/not signed at ALL since perma SF farming is over, we NEED ursan... unless you want to spend hours upon hours in the underwprld and FoW, and mabey its just me, but I dont think we do!!
Hiotoko
I don't have a problem with Ursan being nerfed, but beyond that is a bit questionable. This game really shouldn't be balanced based on commodity prices.
Shiishii Momo
Bri,
The W/Rt VwK build is capable of solo farming the smites for ecto. And I agree that the SS/55 team being demolished would be bad, having done that for so long, but it's only in the interest of fairness. A-Net has made a stand and said no class should have a farming advantage over another.
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Underverse, please take the time to read, this is not a QQ, whatever that means (I speak grown up language), this is a discussion about the recent action by A-Net. If you think this response was just to pacify the people complaining about Shadow Form then you are only looking at the surface of what happened.
The W/Rt VwK build is capable of solo farming the smites for ecto. And I agree that the SS/55 team being demolished would be bad, having done that for so long, but it's only in the interest of fairness. A-Net has made a stand and said no class should have a farming advantage over another.
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Underverse, please take the time to read, this is not a QQ, whatever that means (I speak grown up language), this is a discussion about the recent action by A-Net. If you think this response was just to pacify the people complaining about Shadow Form then you are only looking at the surface of what happened.
MisterB
I don't really see the link between nerfing Shadow Form, and VwK, sorry. It just does not follow. The Shadow Form Chaos Plain farm was many times more efficient than W/Rt smite farming, and ANet has historically made PvE changes to slow down extremely efficient methods of farming, not all farming. See Protective Bond, Spirit Bond, Shield of Absorption, Edge of Extinction, Griffons, etc.
edit: No comment on the Ursan Blessing.
I'm actually curious whether Raptors will be a future target, since I am certain they have plenty of logs showing all the farming going on there. They hit the griffons, after all.
edit: No comment on the Ursan Blessing.
I'm actually curious whether Raptors will be a future target, since I am certain they have plenty of logs showing all the farming going on there. They hit the griffons, after all.
slowerpoke
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Number 1: Ursan Blessing can only be used in Norn areas.
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milan
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2 - Make all weapon spells and forms enchantments or stances - Apply the changes evenly once again
3 - Sure, why not.
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OMG are you serious? you want them to Nerf W/rit also, sheeeeesh there's no end to QQers, why don't we just Nerf the entire game Turn off the servers this way you can cry that Anet dumped Guild wars......... sheeeesh
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1. /agree completely, it makes perfect sense
2. /agree again VwK is another "easy mode" farming build, just not one that is touched on often, mostly because it is not as widely used as SF and Ursan. I wouldn't disagree with a VwK nerf.
3. Not sure if I'm all on board for this one, as it would make UW harder for everyone in general, even balanced groups that go in.
Gibz
1. /signed...awesome idea
2. might be interesting.
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/signed for this reason.
2. might be interesting.
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it would make UW harder for everyone in general, even balanced groups that go in.
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Panais
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Well, the Dev's swung the bat and knocked the skin off the freaking ball. SF farming is no longer viable as a means to farm a very few specific areas for loot. I will not weigh in as to whether that is good or bad, and I would prefer this thread does not devolve into that. What this thread is about is what should A-Net's next step be? They have shown that they will listen to and react to the communities concerns with the state of the game when they feel it's being compromised. In the spirit of equality, I propose the following changes be made to show that A-Net does truly care about the "economy" of the game, and the gaming experience as a whole.
Number 1: Ursan Blessing can only be used in Norn areas. Number 2: VwK is made an Enchantment Spell Number 3: The Grasping Darkness's of the Clear the Chamber quest are made into these new Mindflay Specter's as well That will effectively squash the other current "easy" methods of farming the Underworld, which was their stated goal for the SF change. Let the discussion commence. |
Number 2:How will that stop smite farming? as a warrior primary, the farmer can just aggro smites, w8 for a DN to pop up, kill it, then use VwK. And why not nerf all the urn skills. Hell lets make all skills into physical attacks, from melee range so its all the same and baanced, what do u say my QQing friend? Different classes have different skills, so u cant expect everything to be based on the original GW characters, get over it.
Number 3: Erm why? theres DN there to counter enchantments.
so /notsigned for all 3.
toastgodsupreme
It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now.
Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k?
IT'S PvE.
This coming from an avid pve'er btw.
Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you?
So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them?
Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now.
Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k?
IT'S PvE.
This coming from an avid pve'er btw.
Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you?
So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them?
Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone.
Rhamia Darigaz
i think that anet should fix pve so that only teams with 5 or more monks can win gold capes
Panais
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It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now. Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k? IT'S PvE. This coming from an avid pve'er btw. Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you? So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them? Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone. |
OP try to think about other people, not just yourself.
Rhamia Darigaz
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Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k?
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ITS'S PvE
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme
It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now. Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k? IT'S PvE. This coming from an avid pve'er btw. Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you? So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them? Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone. |
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I don't have a problem with Ursan being nerfed, but beyond that is a bit questionable. This game really shouldn't be balanced based on commodity prices.
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Personally ectos being 1k or 100k doesnt make a difference for me, like I said before those players that have stacks of ectos are the usual ones to QQ.
My 1.5cents
toastgodsupreme
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this argument could just as easily be used to justify the nerf of SF. its pve, who cares what your ectos are worth? who cares if its harder to get obsidian armor: do you have to have it? who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 5k instead of 3k?
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2. I don't have ectos. I profited from the nerf simply because I bought 30 at 3k and a few hours later sold them for 5k.
3. SF was left as it was for a long time, then got nerfed because of PVP reasons. Then got unnerfed during the PvE/PvP split. Then got nerfed BECAUSE OF PEOPLE CRYING ABOUT IT.
That's what pisses me off. It didn't get nerfed because ANET wanted to nerf it. It got nerfed because the COMMUNITY... THIS community and others, bitched, whined, and complained. Because apparently SF users were RUINING their fun in PvE.
Oh, and as a last point of information...
4. I've never farmed, with SF or anything. Closest to farming I've done is NPF in Ursan mode and CoF runs (always paying to be run).
So I'm not one of the SF users who are QQ'ing about the change. I'm pissed about it because ANET made a change that wasn't needed ONLY because the community bitched like little girls.
Taixen
If you don't like a skill then the simple this is... Don't use it. Don't complain about the people who are chosing to.
If you want an experience that is relatively challenging then play a bit of PvP, or heaven forbid form a non Ursan based group
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If you want an experience that is relatively challenging then play a bit of PvP, or heaven forbid form a non Ursan based group
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Commander Ryker
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And pain inverter should only deal 50% dmg max.
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Oh and not signed to anything.
Golgotha
1. Make a thread asking for a nerf of any skill you dislike.
2. ???
3. Profit!
2. ???
3. Profit!
Konig Des Todes
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Well, the Dev's swung the bat and knocked the skin off the freaking ball. SF farming is no longer viable as a means to farm a very few specific areas for loot.
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2. /notsigned, turning an item spell into an enchantment just ruins the concept of an item spell. Just add a skill that allows you to remove a item, I believe there are a few out there, might be wrong though.
3. /notsigned for turning into mesmers, that ruins the format of UW, one profession per area (although the necros and ele touchers somewhat ruin that). I will however /sign for adding monsters that can go past some common farming methods, as long as a majority of the added monsters stay with the profession system (would love to see Assassins, Ritualists, Paragons, and Dervishes in UW and FoW though.
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Underverse, please take the time to read, this is not a QQ, whatever that means (I speak grown up language),
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Hugh Manatee
From the dev updates: We are not opposed to players using Shadow Form for farming, but it is not good for the game economy for high-end farming activities to become too easy or too efficient. The new set of builds enabled by Shadow Form did exactly that.
^they aren't going to nerf VwK, ursan, or any other areas, they did what they needed to do to stabilize the economy(BTW I totally called the new mobs on the chaos plains....) and bring SF in line with the other solo farming builds. It is still viable for many other areas than UW(even still viable in the UW apparently).
^they aren't going to nerf VwK, ursan, or any other areas, they did what they needed to do to stabilize the economy(BTW I totally called the new mobs on the chaos plains....) and bring SF in line with the other solo farming builds. It is still viable for many other areas than UW(even still viable in the UW apparently).
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/not signed at ALL since perma SF farming is over, we NEED ursan... unless you want to spend hours upon hours in the underwprld and FoW, and mabey its just me, but I dont think we do!!
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First Perma Sin is NOT over its still as easy as it was before the nerf.
They nerfed other SF farming areas alot more than UW.
Second no one NEEDS ursan. Ursan is a joke. Give me a real team any day over Ursan.
Torabo
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this argument could just as easily be used to justify the nerf of SF. its pve, who cares what your ectos are worth? who cares if its harder to get obsidian armor: do you have to have it? who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 5k instead of 3k?
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Orange Milk
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Everyone QQed for an SF nerf and then it happens and there is even more stupid QQing, Good ole Sardelac home of stupid shit.
The SF nerf was needed, an Ursan Blessing is not needed, specifically, but a nerf would improve the challenge of the game. Most of PvE really is not a challenge and Ursan just makes it dumb. There ARE better builds than 5 Ursans and 3 Monks, the problem is people don't want to take the time to set up skills and proffesions for the optimum build for each area, so the don't, they dumb it down press Ursan and 1-2-3 their way around all day.
Meh, the only PvE I do is vanquishing when bored and sometimes trying to get the missions done in HM, if i have an SF or an Ursan in my group I could typically careless.
Sword Hammer Axe
No I think you don't understand why they nerfed it. It was too effective and made the price of ectos go down drastically which was not a good thing since ectos are the primary use for secondary currency in Guild Wars. The GW economies would go to hell if this way of farming went on. Although I would agree that something has to be done about the Ursan Blessing.
Abedeus
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kostolomac
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It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now. Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k? IT'S PvE. This coming from an avid pve'er btw. Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you? So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them? Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone. |
@ OP : SF is still a viable method of farming Chaos Plains
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I am of the same opinion, however the nerf still happened.
I would like to thank the above poster for making a very good point (highlighted what i'm talking about in bold). Personally ectos being 1k or 100k doesnt make a difference for me, like I said before those players that have stacks of ectos are the usual ones to QQ. My 1.5cents |
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/not signed at ALL since perma SF farming is over, we NEED ursan...
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Shiishii Momo
Ok, well I can see we can't have a real discussion about this since it seems to be such a contentious one, although thanks to the few of you that tried to make it one. This was neither a thread to complain in, or speculate as to whether the original poster (me) was for or against the SF nerf, ursan, VwK or 55'ing, but that's what it devolved to. Nor was it a thread screaming "A-Net Must Make These Changes!!!", it was just a chance to have a discussion, but the guru mods (who seem to be more interested in shaping our views of the game recently, rather than moderating the site) decided to chuck the thread into the obscurity of Sardelac, right along such brain busting threads as "Make the Grass in GW blue" and "Why can't my water scepter do slashing damage" Mods please close thread, besides we wouldn't want Regina to think people aren't happy with A-Net. And for the record, I was for the SF Nerf, suckas.
Stockholm
Ok, first of all, this "nerf" is the first aimed at farming for the sake of farming, all other nerfs mentiond in this thread WAS AIMED AT THE BOTS, never before have they cited in game economy as a reson for a nerf.
Shadowhaze
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It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.
This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now. Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k? IT'S PvE. This coming from an avid pve'er btw. Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you? So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them? Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone. |
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I am of the same opinion, however the nerf still happened.
I would like to thank the above poster for making a very good point (highlighted what i'm talking about in bold). Personally ectos being 1k or 100k doesnt make a difference for me, like I said before those players that have stacks of ectos are the usual ones to QQ. My 1.5cents |
But anyway, this is getting a bit crazy. lol.
So yes...
/not signed
Tender Wolf
I think their next focus should be more on the HOM. There are so many things that need to be changed in there, such as the following:
As for Ursan, I think it should stay the way it is. A lot of people use it for hard mode and even then it can still be a challenge. Nerfing it would only frustrate a lot of people because hard mode is too hard as it is.
Other than that I think the primary focus should stay on Guild Wars 2. I'm getting bored with this one. I mean, I still play and like it but I'm very excited for Guild Wars 2.
- Allow us to select which statues go where in all the monuments instead of the random generator
- Allow any type of weapon to be added
- Add a place for common armors in the resilience monument
- Give all pets their own special statue, especially the rainbow phoenix
As for Ursan, I think it should stay the way it is. A lot of people use it for hard mode and even then it can still be a challenge. Nerfing it would only frustrate a lot of people because hard mode is too hard as it is.
Other than that I think the primary focus should stay on Guild Wars 2. I'm getting bored with this one. I mean, I still play and like it but I'm very excited for Guild Wars 2.
Orange Milk
Quothe Tender Wolf off-topically.
Abedeus
I think many of you don't understand one thing. It isn't just about chaos planes. It's about how you can be immortal in 95 of 100 places (or even 99 out of 100) by pushing 1, 2 and 3 with your head. Applies to Ursan, Imbagon and SF Sins.
And about me: I have only 200k, maybe, MAYBE, 6 or 7 elite sets on all characters, 0 ectoes and no tormented weapons. I just have enough experience from all the games I've played to know when something is slowly destroying the game like Americans destroying the rainforests. Btw, serves them right for killing 5k people every year with poisons and dangerous animals.
And the funniest thing is in GW 2 FAQ:
Original game - died in 2006. Strong narrative, extensive gameplay... 6 identical builds + 2 other identical builds. Yay. Anti-grind design philosophy... hehehe. Strong support for competitive play, look first point. Kinda valid in PvP.
And about me: I have only 200k, maybe, MAYBE, 6 or 7 elite sets on all characters, 0 ectoes and no tormented weapons. I just have enough experience from all the games I've played to know when something is slowly destroying the game like Americans destroying the rainforests. Btw, serves them right for killing 5k people every year with poisons and dangerous animals.
And the funniest thing is in GW 2 FAQ:
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mrmango
Good idea about making UW harder. Balance out Ursan. Weapon and item spells aren't enchants, nub.