Here's the First of Many, with a twist

Well, the Dev's swung the bat and knocked the skin off the freaking ball. SF farming is no longer viable as a means to farm a very few specific areas for loot. I will not weigh in as to whether that is good or bad, and I would prefer this thread does not devolve into that. What this thread is about is what should A-Net's next step be? They have shown that they will listen to and react to the communities concerns with the state of the game when they feel it's being compromised. In the spirit of equality, should the following changes be made to show that A-Net does truly care about the "economy" of the game, and the gaming experience as a whole.

Number 1: Ursan Blessing can only be used in Norn areas.
Number 2: VwK is made an Enchantment Spell
Number 3: The Grasping Darkness's of the Clear the Chamber quest are made into these new Mindflay Specter's as well

That will effectively squash the other current "easy" methods of farming the Underworld, which was their stated goal for the SF change.

Let the discussion commence.

Edit: Mods can close thread

Yeah, while we're at it, let't make [you move like a dwarf] and [finish him] no longer armor ignoring. And pain inverter should only deal 50% dmg max. And let's give moebius strike a 12 second recharge. That should even out PVE for now.

..I can't tell if theres any sarcasm there. Possibly.

I think #3 is going too far - I mean, SS/55 could only really farm Aatxe and Smites, and we all know you can go many many runs (20-30 minutes each) without Ecto, and some only net 1-3, more if you are very lucky, very lucky.

Ursan should definitely be nerfed and they said they might have plans for it in the near future, don't see how VwK is bad though.

OMG are you serious? you want them to Nerf W/rit also, sheeeeesh there's no end to QQers, why don't we just Nerf the entire game Turn off the servers this way you can cry that Anet dumped Guild wars......... sheeeesh

/not signed at ALL since perma SF farming is over, we NEED ursan... unless you want to spend hours upon hours in the underwprld and FoW, and mabey its just me, but I dont think we do!!

I don't have a problem with Ursan being nerfed, but beyond that is a bit questionable. This game really shouldn't be balanced based on commodity prices.

Bri,
The W/Rt VwK build is capable of solo farming the smites for ecto. And I agree that the SS/55 team being demolished would be bad, having done that for so long, but it's only in the interest of fairness. A-Net has made a stand and said no class should have a farming advantage over another.

Edit:
Underverse, please take the time to read, this is not a QQ, whatever that means (I speak grown up language), this is a discussion about the recent action by A-Net. If you think this response was just to pacify the people complaining about Shadow Form then you are only looking at the surface of what happened.

I don't really see the link between nerfing Shadow Form, and VwK, sorry. It just does not follow. The Shadow Form Chaos Plain farm was many times more efficient than W/Rt smite farming, and ANet has historically made PvE changes to slow down extremely efficient methods of farming, not all farming. See Protective Bond, Spirit Bond, Shield of Absorption, Edge of Extinction, Griffons, etc.

edit: No comment on the Ursan Blessing.

I'm actually curious whether Raptors will be a future target, since I am certain they have plenty of logs showing all the farming going on there. They hit the griffons, after all.

DO IT
for the lulz

1 - I partially agree, on the basis that all PvE skills are limited to the their specific areas, asura in their areas, LB in their areas etc etc.

2 - Make all weapon spells and forms enchantments or stances - Apply the changes evenly once again

3 - Sure, why not.

It seems to me you are QQing louder than the OP.

1. /agree completely, it makes perfect sense

2. /agree again VwK is another "easy mode" farming build, just not one that is touched on often, mostly because it is not as widely used as SF and Ursan. I wouldn't disagree with a VwK nerf.

3. Not sure if I'm all on board for this one, as it would make UW harder for everyone in general, even balanced groups that go in.

1. /signed...awesome idea
2. might be interesting.
3. /signed for this reason.

Number 1: How about no. The not as imba as ursan team of spead clearing the UW, which allowed ursan hatters to complete the UW when before they couldnt, got nerfed. since the terra tanks cant hold aggro any more in the chaos plains. So ursan can now be used by the not so leet players, like yourself i pressume and thats why u are QQing, to complete those "elite" areas, and be able to see the full game.

Number 2:How will that stop smite farming? as a warrior primary, the farmer can just aggro smites, w8 for a DN to pop up, kill it, then use VwK. And why not nerf all the urn skills. Hell lets make all skills into physical attacks, from melee range so its all the same and baanced, what do u say my QQing friend? Different classes have different skills, so u cant expect everything to be based on the original GW characters, get over it.

Number 3: Erm why? theres DN there to counter enchantments.

so /notsigned for all 3.

It was predicted in another thread that the QQ'ing about other skills would increase since the babies got their wish with SF.

This is proof among all the other threads that are floating around about it now.

Seriously, it's PvE, stop dicking with it. Who the hell cares if you have Obsidian armor? WHO CARES?!? Who cares if you have a voltaic spear? Who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 3k each instead of 5k?

IT'S PvE.

This coming from an avid pve'er btw.

Are the people who farm UW ruining your fun? Are they sitting in ToA bouncing their stacks of ectos off your head and taunting you? Do they poke at your non-Obsidian armor and make fun of you?

So let's say that these farmers ENJOY farming. That they play just to farm because it's what makes them happy. Who are you to stop them from having fun? Who are you to ruin someone else's time? They're not crying for nerfs to skills that you use to play the game how you want to play it. What gives you the right to do that to them?

Just play the game and stop crying. This goes for everyone.

i think that anet should fix pve so that only teams with 5 or more monks can win gold capes

thank you
OP try to think about other people, not just yourself.

this argument could just as easily be used to justify the nerf of SF. its pve, who cares what your ectos are worth? who cares if its harder to get obsidian armor: do you have to have it? who cares if your stocks of ecto are worth 5k instead of 3k?
ITS'S PvE

I am of the same opinion, however the nerf still happened.

I would like to thank the above poster for making a very good point (highlighted what i'm talking about in bold).

Personally ectos being 1k or 100k doesnt make a difference for me, like I said before those players that have stacks of ectos are the usual ones to QQ.

My 1.5cents

1. I don't have Obby armor. Don't want it either. Disgusting. I'm happy with my 1k Imperial. Looks damn spiffy.

2. I don't have ectos. I profited from the nerf simply because I bought 30 at 3k and a few hours later sold them for 5k.

3. SF was left as it was for a long time, then got nerfed because of PVP reasons. Then got unnerfed during the PvE/PvP split. Then got nerfed BECAUSE OF PEOPLE CRYING ABOUT IT.

That's what pisses me off. It didn't get nerfed because ANET wanted to nerf it. It got nerfed because the COMMUNITY... THIS community and others, bitched, whined, and complained. Because apparently SF users were RUINING their fun in PvE.

Oh, and as a last point of information...
4. I've never farmed, with SF or anything. Closest to farming I've done is NPF in Ursan mode and CoF runs (always paying to be run).
So I'm not one of the SF users who are QQ'ing about the change. I'm pissed about it because ANET made a change that wasn't needed ONLY because the community bitched like little girls.