Critical Strikes

Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Canada...... Eh!

03 Jul 2008 at 14:36 - 1

I apologize if this has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything conclusive on this subject.

Assume your Sin has crit strikes maxed and the crit hat with sup crit rune. = 16%
And he/she has the following 3 skills on his/her skill bar: [Critical [email protected]] + [Way of the [email protected]] + [Way of the [email protected]]

So, do all of these %'s add together or does the game just take the one with the highest %?

Because assuming it adds them together: 16% + 16% + 37% + 35% = 104% chance of crit hit. Also assuming (correctly I hope!

) that you can have all 3 skills up at the same time. And you should, one's a skill, one's a stance and the last one is an enchantment.

If what I assumed above is true, would there be a benefit to hitting a crit every attack, aside from the obvious dmg boost?

As usual, any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!

Sindy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

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03 Jul 2008 at 15:21 - 2

No. Percentages stack multiplicatively, not additively.

There used to be a great guide outlining all the basic math behind it and comparing return gains for increased %. If I find it, or someone else does, we'll let you know.

*edit* Meth, thank you. Thats the one.

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

03 Jul 2008 at 15:27 - 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jade

If what I assumed above is true, would there be a benefit to hitting a crit every attack, aside from the obvious dmg boost?

As usual, any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance! on certain mission where i want a constant interupt there is a skill that interupts if you crit hit. i always bring my assassin hero with a crit hit intrupter build and he interupt everything. the skill is disrupting accurancy. i find him quite effective in boreas seaboard and unwaking waters. i keep him locked on one target and if you got a big boss that you want to shut down it would have the same purpose

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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03 Jul 2008 at 15:27 - 4

This page has a good explanation of critical hit chance stacking. The stacking is multiplicative.

Generally you should never use more then 2 critical hit bonuses at a time for a sin, and even then only when your build absolutely relies on criticals for effect. A scythe sin for example will benefit from a 60%ish critical chance over a 50% chance, because a crit does 100 damage while a non crit will probably do 10 damage. But even then a third bonus is mostly redundant, you wont get more then 6-8% more effective chance even with another skill dedicated to the boost.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rick1027
on certain mission where i want a constant interupt there is a skill that interupts if you crit hit. i always bring my assassin hero with a crit hit intrupter build and he interupt everything. the skill is disrupting accurancy. i find him quite effective in boreas seaboard and unwaking waters. i keep him locked on one target and if you got a big boss that you want to shut down it would have the same purpose Assuming that your big boss is a spell caster, its much more effective to just use Broad head arrow. That way instead of one character having a 70%ish chance to interrupt, your whole team has a 100% chance to interrupt and has 2x as long to do it. Now if you are talking about a physical damage enemy there are much better and AoE ways to shut them down.

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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03 Jul 2008 at 15:28 - 5

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sindy

No. Percentages stack multiplicatively, not additively. I think those three actually stack in an additive manner. Notice in the skill descriptions it says "Additional" and "+30%".

This is how Way of the Master Assassins abuse Critical Strikes when using things like Scythes.

Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Canada...... Eh!

03 Jul 2008 at 16:15 - 6

You know I could've sworn I'd gone all over Wiki looking for info. Guess I should look a little more thoroughly next time hey? Anyways, thank you all for your responses, it helps out a lot.

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

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03 Jul 2008 at 16:39 - 7

Yep, Gates' guide outlines the statistics behind that fairly accurately. I can ask him in guild chat if you have any further questions

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

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07 Jul 2008 at 11:27 - 8

[critical eye] + [way of the assassin] + [way of the master] is an overkill on crit bonuses, no need to waste skillslots so no, no real use for this thing.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Jul 2008 at 11:32 - 9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I think those three actually stack in an additive manner. Notice in the skill descriptions it says "Additional" and "+30%".

This is how Way of the Master Assassins abuse Critical Strikes when using things like Scythes. Correct.

12chars

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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09 Jul 2008 at 14:29 - 10

Scythesins use either [critical eye] or [way of the master] for crit bonus, using both or wasting an elite slot on useless and crappy [way of the assassins] is just useles. Only excpetion when [critical eye] is used togetgher with [way of the master] is [dark apostasy] scythesin.

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

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09 Jul 2008 at 21:10 - 11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
I think those three actually stack in an additive manner. Notice in the skill descriptions it says "Additional" and "+30%".

This is how Way of the Master Assassins abuse Critical Strikes when using things like Scythes. normal Weapon Mastery crit chance stacks additionally with the Critical Strikes attribute.
[skill]critical eye[/skill] and [skill]way of the master[/skill] also stack additionally.

[skill]way of the assassin[/skill] is the only one that doesn't offer additional crit chance: it stacks multiplicatively as is normal for percentile chance increases.

Yes, that makes the Elite the least worthy of the 3. Leave it at home.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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10 Jul 2008 at 17:24 - 12

[way of the assassin] is like [mending] for wammos, gettin' the idea eh? :P