Game Changing Discoveries v1

Rieden Sindefy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Portland

Team Arena Junkies [GLAD]

W/A

03 Jul 2008 at 21:25 - 1
Hello, let me introduce myself. I'm Rieden Sindefy, and 99.999% of you don't know me because I have no name in the game. I have, though, recently been thinking outside of the box in an attempt to come up with some game changing discoveries. Lately, here are some of the things that I've found.

First off, when solo farming, I decided to test to see if adding heroes/henchies and flagging them away (so they don't get drops) eliminated loot scaling and increased the drop rate. Good news! It may have just been luck, but I think flagging henchies away from you while you solo increases the drop rate by about the old 8x again.

Next, I have some discoveries about the Dragon Arena, for all you zkey farmers our there

Trees, the posts in the middle, and the stairwells on the side all can obstruct Dragon Blasts. Use these strategically to catch your opponent way off guard.

Lastly, the best choices for going into DA is either a sin or an ele, because their animation is about 1/40th of a second faster than other classes (meaning they always win Kowtos 1v1).

I'll keep the community update if I find anything else out. My ign is this username, my current character is Lidia Sindefy.

Murmel

Murmel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Land of Confusion

[swea]

W/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:30 - 2
Wow, you have done some testing mate

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:31 - 3
Can we state our own?

If so...

- Run people through Elona Reach for 1k each (run takes 8-10 mins) and make 30k an hour.
- Take Ursan into the fight with the Doppledanger in Hard Mode for a free 1k per character (after beating him - he can't use PvE skills)
- You can actually move around during cutscenes, potentially blocking the camera from view and preventing other people from watching cutscenes.
- Combine Glyph of Renewal and Auspicious Incantation as E/Me or Me/E for infinite energy in PvP without relying on enchantments.

Zho

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2008

Order of the Otherbloom Crown [Zen]

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:31 - 4
Wow! Thanks for sharing this information. Someone might have said it before (if they have, you sadly will be flamed to death....sorry, can't do anything about it ) But I found your post helpful and interesting. Keep up the good work

Rieden Sindefy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Portland

Team Arena Junkies [GLAD]

W/A

03 Jul 2008 at 21:36 - 5
I'm glad to help; I'm trying to find every nook and cranny in the D Arenas atm to improve everyone's chance of winning. BTW I tested the solo farm thing at Orrs in Gate of Kryta, so it might not be the case everywhere, but I can't fathom why it wouldn't be. If anyone else wants to help me confirm this lemme know.

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:38 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieden Sindefy
I'm glad to help; I'm trying to find every nook and cranny in the D Arenas atm to improve everyone's chance of winning. BTW I tested the solo farm thing at Orrs in Gate of Kryta, so it might not be the case everywhere, but I can't fathom why it wouldn't be. If anyone else wants to help me confirm this lemme know.
I'll try it out now.

Rieden Sindefy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Portland

Team Arena Junkies [GLAD]

W/A

03 Jul 2008 at 21:39 - 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
- Combine Glyph of Renewal and Auspicious Incantation as E/Me or Me/E for infinite energy in PvP without relying on enchantments.
There could be a very powerful combo based off that with decent fc.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

03 Jul 2008 at 21:42 - 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieden Sindefy
I'm glad to help; I'm trying to find every nook and cranny in the D Arenas atm to improve everyone's chance of winning. BTW I tested the solo farm thing at Orrs in Gate of Kryta, so it might not be the case everywhere, but I can't fathom why it wouldn't be. If anyone else wants to help me confirm this lemme know.
OP, you might also want to try it at Cathedral of Flames. I can't be certain but I believe it also works there.

{IceFire}

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:42 - 9
Here's mine:

Henches(not even heroes) > pugs

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:43 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
- You can actually move around during cutscenes, potentially blocking the camera from view and preventing other people from watching cutscenes.
?? How?????????

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:44 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieden Sindefy
There could be a very powerful combo based off that with decent fc.
Yes, with Air magic. I have a (brand new) testing build on PvX which uses it. It might be better as Me/E.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/Me_Air_Renewal

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi
?? How?????????
Arrow keys - keep pressing them randomly...

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:46 - 12
Nice theres also if you flag your heroes away from bosses isn't there a good chance of you getting the green if one if dropped instead of the heroes.

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:47 - 13
Okay, just tested the full party thing a few times and I get pretty much the same quantity of drops...

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

03 Jul 2008 at 21:49 - 14
Already knew about the first thing, but didn't know about the second thing. Nice find.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
Combine Glyph of Renewal and Auspicious Incantation as E/Me or Me/E for infinite energy in PvP without relying on enchantments.
It's not very good when it wastes your elite slot though.

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:51 - 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
Arrow keys - keep pressing them randomly...
Arrows only rotate you. You can press Q and E to strafe in the cutscene. Thanks for that info, didn't know you can move during scenes.

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:54 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla


It's not very good when it wastes your elite slot though.
Go try out the build I linked to then

I'm quite pleased with it, if I may say so myself.

As I say, Me/E probably works better, but I'm pushing forward that build into Testing now.

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:58 - 17
Ooh, another thing I just remembered...

Runners on dangerous/risky routes can res themselves very easily by taking a hero along and flagging them near the portal. If they get killed, their trusty hero can then be flagged out of the area boundaries where he will be teleported to the runner's position to start ressing them. It's recommended to take quick res skills to prevent foes from killing the hero before he can res.

kostolomac

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

03 Jul 2008 at 21:58 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
- Combine Glyph of Renewal and Auspicious Incantation as E/Me or Me/E for infinite energy in PvP without relying on enchantments.
That bit of info is really beneficial , many of my builds often don't need an elite , this combo is quite nice.

Too bad I don't have any beneficial information

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 22:02 - 19
And one more bit of useless but fun information...

Some of the older towns still have weird portal bugs which let you run into the areas beyond to some extent without zoning. You can play games with people by announcing that you're giving away free stuff but they can't reach you easily without zoning.

Rieden Sindefy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Portland

Team Arena Junkies [GLAD]

W/A

03 Jul 2008 at 22:18 - 20
After you beat Factions campaign, you'll spawn in an unnacesible part of kaineng. offer 100k to the first person to open trade with you and watch the QQs begin .

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

03 Jul 2008 at 22:27 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
Ooh, another thing I just remembered...

Runners on dangerous/risky routes can res themselves very easily by taking a hero along and flagging them near the portal. If they get killed, their trusty hero can then be flagged out of the area boundaries where he will be teleported to the runner's position to start ressing them. It's recommended to take quick res skills to prevent foes from killing the hero before he can res.
Paragon/Rit with [Lively was Naomei] and [We Shall Return!] work best, due to the fact that you can make them hold the ashes before hand, zone, shout, and drop the ashes, pretty much instant res at near full hp and energy ^^

Edit: If you're farming something (eg. Nuking) and just as they're about to die, you flag your heroes through the portal, they can get free exp, and quite a bit too.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

03 Jul 2008 at 22:59 - 22
your wrong about the kowtow in the dragon arena. If someones running to kowtow you, you can beat them to it by not moving then when theyre close then activing imperial majesty. Trust me, its got nothing to do with skill activation times.

Darkobra

Darkobra

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

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03 Jul 2008 at 23:07 - 23
The only one I knew there was the trees being able to block dragon blasts. I didn't know about elementalists having an advantage, though... Looking forward to tomorrow!

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 23:13 - 24
Should this be moved to Sardelac? Seems like a project everyone is putting their ideas into?

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

03 Jul 2008 at 23:28 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazza558
- Combine Glyph of Renewal and Auspicious Incantation as E/Me or Me/E for infinite energy in PvP without relying on enchantments.
ups, [auspicious incantation] is an enchantment.
no offense but the build you linked to based on that combo is very bad

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

03 Jul 2008 at 23:55 - 26
LDoA wasn't a title... until someone actually got level 20 in pre-searing =o.

kokuou

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/Me

04 Jul 2008 at 01:22 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi
Arrows only rotate you. You can press Q and E to strafe in the cutscene. Thanks for that info, didn't know you can move during scenes.
Unfortunately, it only works on your screen. I've done it side by side with a friends computer, and I wasn't moving on his screen.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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04 Jul 2008 at 01:46 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieden Sindefy
First off, when solo farming, I decided to test to see if adding heroes/henchies and flagging them away (so they don't get drops) eliminated loot scaling and increased the drop rate. Good news! It may have just been luck, but I think flagging henchies away from you while you solo increases the drop rate by about the old 8x again.
Seems like a no-brainer on game mechanics.

Quote:
Next, I have some discoveries about the Dragon Arena, for all you zkey farmers our there

Trees, the posts in the middle, and the stairwells on the side all can obstruct Dragon Blasts. Use these strategically to catch your opponent way off guard.
Objects block stuff. Nothing new here.

Quote:
Lastly, the best choices for going into DA is either a sin or an ele, because their animation is about 1/40th of a second faster than other classes (meaning they always win Kowtos 1v1).
Going to call BS on this one until someone shows some proof.

mrmango

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

04 Jul 2008 at 02:47 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive
Paragon/Rit with [Lively was Naomei] and [We Shall Return!] work best, due to the fact that you can make them hold the ashes before hand, zone, shout, and drop the ashes, pretty much instant res at near full hp and energy ^^
Agreed with Shane + this is cool. :3

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

04 Jul 2008 at 03:36 - 30
Yea, me and my friend tried repeatedly to enter the dragon arena and managed to end up on opposite teams, and we tried the KowTow thing (me as an ele, him as a ranger) it makes no difference, as it seemed to be random which one of us was knocked down if we both went to KowTow eachother, I didn't always win (according to your theory, I should've as I'm an ele, and he's a ranger)

Myth...Busted!

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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04 Jul 2008 at 04:29 - 31
I think the animation does make a difference when you do the KowTow move, however, there are other factor like LAG! is in the way, so even if you use sin or ele, it might not proof to be the fastest if you have a rubber band holding you back.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

04 Jul 2008 at 05:07 - 32
Quote:
Going to call BS on this one until someone shows some proof.
It is true. Just time it with a timer.

Removing your weapons & offhands also lower the frames on dragon blasts by a few miniseconds.