people dislike these builds because they are more BUILD > Skill - they are easy to use and don't require as much timing/experience/skill to use
So why leave them and allow people to run them still?
Warrior is my favourite class and I USED tO run one all the time in Random Arena but it got extremely annoying having to face SWAY Rangers [build=OgokcpZSKrik01A2YYxR91qBwhAA] - if you can't beat em join em
so i found myself instead of hoping and praying for a monk to be on my team to bring anti-block/dodge stuff
[build=OQQUcsoS5qJ8NTlIa1PpJBgAAA] but it left me not doing as much damage and susceptible to hexes
[build=OQIUEXJXFsNRF44eVr8TGO/VBAA] ?????????
You can't do everything yet these "Cheap" builds have the ability to almost do everything....everything in the sense of ability to get health, do damage, defenses and not have anything stopping you while doing this
Thoughts?
Hated builds, Touch Ranger, Sway Ranger, Toxic Assassin Smiter
Solange
Ate of DK
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So why leave them and allow people to run them still?
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Edit: PvXwiki shows tons of builds that will replace those you mentioned.
Solange
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Because the moment they get nerfed/destroyed you have a few builds to replace them for the same reasons you mentioned above...
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Ate of DK
Those builds you mention really aren't godmode. They are also limited in their options and have plenty of counters. When you're running a counter you're probably less effective against another kind of builds. Which brings us to what makes Guild Wars so interesting.
Alexandra-Sweet
What I hate about pretty much every Ranger in RA is that they always run away when they're the last one standing, it gives all Rangers a bad name.
And since they have a constant speed boost, blocking and condition removal a snare is pretty hard to apply.
And since they have a constant speed boost, blocking and condition removal a snare is pretty hard to apply.
majikmajikmajik
just run crippling anguish and more degen = no mo sway ranger lol they cant get to you and they cant heal..
JONO51
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people dislike these builds because they are more BUILD > Skill - they are easy to use and don't require as much timing/experience/skill to use
So why leave them and allow people to run them still? Warrior is my favourite class and I USED tO run one all the time in Random Arena but it got extremely annoying having to face SWAY Rangers [build=OgokcpZSKrik01A2YYxR91qBwhAA] - if you can't beat em join em so i found myself instead of hoping and praying for a monk to be on my team to bring anti-block/dodge stuff [build=OQQUcsoS5qJ8NTlIa1PpJBgAAA] but it left me not doing as much damage and susceptible to hexes [build=OQIUEXJXFsNRF44eVr8TGO/VBAA] ????????? You can't do everything yet these "Cheap" builds have the ability to almost do everything....everything in the sense of ability to get health, do damage, defenses and not have anything stopping you while doing this Thoughts? |
Maybe that'll work+other stuff to kill?
Tyla
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In other words, use a bad skill?
Either way, those builds are just bad.
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In other words, use a bad skill?
Either way, those builds are just bad.
the Puppeteer
wild blow...?
toastgodsupreme
can't counter everything. and in RA, it's fubar. just gotta accept it.
Navaros
OP is incorrect. No build can do everything, and certainly not the ones listed in the OP.
Learn to counter. There plenty of ways to counter everything listed in the OP. If you can't be bothered to counter them, then it's your fault if you lose to them. End of story.
Learn to counter. There plenty of ways to counter everything listed in the OP. If you can't be bothered to counter them, then it's your fault if you lose to them. End of story.
Foe
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OP is incorrect. No build can do everything, and certainly not the ones listed in the OP.
Learn to counter. There plenty of ways to counter everything listed in the OP. If you can't be bothered to counter them, then it's your fault if you lose to them. End of story. |
Basically your problem is ra, its luck of the draw and thats it. I would suggest moving to a pvp format such as gvg,ta,ha where you dont have to run a gimped bar in order to "do it all".
I wouldn't expect to see nerfs to expertise or deadly arts any time soon. As pointed out these builds are not at all effective outside of ra and hb which are the bottom of the barrel. Or you could turn off local and team chat and run a monk when you ra, problem solved!
Cale Roughstar
The only build certain to help your team in RA is a monk. It is RA, dont try to do it all. Try to bring a basically usefull bar, with a little utility. Blindbot eles for example, are great as they can shutdown opponents and provide heavy damage if there is no melee to fight against. It is all about being usefull.
And to counter those builds mentioned above? Gogo water magic.
And to counter those builds mentioned above? Gogo water magic.
masta_yoda
play necro or mesmer gg
Alleji
If you want to stick to war, bring wild blow (and/or warrior's cunning).
If you just want to RED ENGINE-up swayers, play a hexer.
If you just want to RED ENGINE-up swayers, play a hexer.
FlamingMetroid
who let Solange out of his cage?
Winterclaw
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And since they have a constant speed boost, blocking and condition removal a snare is pretty hard to apply.
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Dronte
You shouldnt hunt melee in RA.. Go on casters, others will rape the r/d-s.
Btw, I personally dont hate touch ranger or R/D, because these are bad builds and generally easy to beat (not with warrior, ofc)
Btw, I personally dont hate touch ranger or R/D, because these are bad builds and generally easy to beat (not with warrior, ofc)
garethporlest18
Nothin you can do in RA. It pisses me off just as much but then I think it's RA and there's nothing I can say. I wouldn't mind them being nerfed just because of RA/HA though..good players shouldn't be using that stuff in GvG anyways. And TA is just as gimmicky as RA, but the teams all know each other usually and know what to do, so it's like higher level gimmick. So really the only good PvP is..not on Guild Wars anymore.
I still RA for fun though..and I've beaten many of those things you've placed..Touch Ranger is still hard on warrior cause who the hell wants to bring Wild Blow anymore? Sure I'll gimp my KD/Damage for Wild Blow that will be 85% useless!
I still RA for fun though..and I've beaten many of those things you've placed..Touch Ranger is still hard on warrior cause who the hell wants to bring Wild Blow anymore? Sure I'll gimp my KD/Damage for Wild Blow that will be 85% useless!
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FF_Timmeh
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wild blow...?
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wild blow
Franco Power
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What I hate about pretty much every Ranger in RA is that they always run away when they're the last one standing, it gives all Rangers a bad name.
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Damian979
So....in a game based on running well assembled builds, using a good build equates to being cheap and having no skill? I guess everyone is supposed to run around with starter weapons from pre and nothing but [Flare] on their skill bar?
If you run a bad build you're just a noob. Run a good build and you're still a noob, so I guess PvP in general just makes you a noob then. This is why I can't stand to PvP anymore.
If you run a bad build you're just a noob. Run a good build and you're still a noob, so I guess PvP in general just makes you a noob then. This is why I can't stand to PvP anymore.
Abedeus
There is a difference between kiting and running around to make match last longer while having no chances to win 4 vs 1.
cgruber
They were good when the guy that made them played them, they became lame when they went meta. Also there are a lot of builds that require quite a bit more practice to play well, for example a magebane ranger is considerably harder than a SoJ sin.
RotteN
RA is pretty much build wars. You cannot beat everything, live with it.
an Sway ranger will do nothing at all against a water ele / a cripshot ranger
Touch rangers can easely be dispatched with using some snares and ranged damage.
a signet sin will be lost against a decent interupt ranger. (just dshot dancing daggers and take out signets left and right).
The whole "if you can't beat them, join them" is stupid. You cannot beat everything buildwise. That's where gameplay comes into account.
It's like bringing [[convert hexes] and [[divert hexes] because you lose the hex teams. Instead of just knocking some sense into your ranger to interupt the key hexes to lessen the preasure. (this goes more for organised PvP like GvG).
You cannot outbuild everything in RA, but you can play smart and lessen your opponents effectiveness.
an Sway ranger will do nothing at all against a water ele / a cripshot ranger
Touch rangers can easely be dispatched with using some snares and ranged damage.
a signet sin will be lost against a decent interupt ranger. (just dshot dancing daggers and take out signets left and right).
The whole "if you can't beat them, join them" is stupid. You cannot beat everything buildwise. That's where gameplay comes into account.
It's like bringing [[convert hexes] and [[divert hexes] because you lose the hex teams. Instead of just knocking some sense into your ranger to interupt the key hexes to lessen the preasure. (this goes more for organised PvP like GvG).
You cannot outbuild everything in RA, but you can play smart and lessen your opponents effectiveness.
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