This is a suggestion to provide an alternative, and a compromise to players that enjoy playing UW and FOW, but for whatever reason, dont want to pug, or join a UB team.
Make the henchmen in all three UW/FoW outposts ascended so we can H/H these areas. This wouldnt really disadvantage Pugs in any way because there are plenty of UB players available, and UB is still a lot easier and faster to play, but it provides an equally easy alternative for players that dont like UB.
Ascended Henchmen
bhavv
Konig Des Todes
/notsigned for ToA
Chantry and Zin Ku Corridor, maybe. Coming from the southern shiverpeaks to Lonar's Pass, maybe. However, you can just grab one other person who dislikes pugs (a guildie or friend) and take 6 heroes.
Chantry and Zin Ku Corridor, maybe. Coming from the southern shiverpeaks to Lonar's Pass, maybe. However, you can just grab one other person who dislikes pugs (a guildie or friend) and take 6 heroes.
bhavv
Finding one other person isnt always possible, and rarely ever happens for me. My friends list is also a full block of gray names now.
And my previous high end PVE guilds also only ever ran UB, so dont say to find a PVE guild because there arent any that dont run ursan.
Henchmen in ToA would be a failure for UW and FoW anyway, but fun to try it with. Im more interested in Sabway in cantha with rit hench and a modified Imbagon in NF with Sogolon then playing
UB.
And my previous high end PVE guilds also only ever ran UB, so dont say to find a PVE guild because there arent any that dont run ursan.
Henchmen in ToA would be a failure for UW and FoW anyway, but fun to try it with. Im more interested in Sabway in cantha with rit hench and a modified Imbagon in NF with Sogolon then playing
UB.
Age
This would be good closer to the release of GW2 as most will be over there playing.
Konig Des Todes
bhavv, to be honest, there are a few PvE guilds that don't run Ursan, however that amount is small. And I have found people who prefer to use real builds over Ursan all the time, I think you need to socialize more 
(or as close to socializing you can get).
I am still /halfsigned on your idea, and Age is right, it would be better to add when GW2 releases as there will be a lot less people then. Heroes help enough with the filling in idiot's spots.
(or as close to socializing you can get).I am still /halfsigned on your idea, and Age is right, it would be better to add when GW2 releases as there will be a lot less people then. Heroes help enough with the filling in idiot's spots.
Omnidragon42
/notsigned
I think the reason there's not henchmen there already is to encourage you to play with people... so do that
It can't be that hard to find one person to play with, can it?
I think the reason there's not henchmen there already is to encourage you to play with people... so do that
It can't be that hard to find one person to play with, can it?
Stuart444
/signed
just because it sounds like it could be a fun experience, even if only to try it, although the henchman need to be mhenlo and co (not alesia and co)
still sounds like it could be a fun experience >_>
just because it sounds like it could be a fun experience, even if only to try it, although the henchman need to be mhenlo and co (not alesia and co)
still sounds like it could be a fun experience >_>
bhavv
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I think you need to socialize more
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Care to explain how you actually feel 'social' inside video games? Why exactly do threads like these always have to resort to what you believe is 'social' and bashing someone for choosing to play games solo?
There is no requirement for any video game, online or offline, to have to be social inside the game itself, it still sickens me to this day that people like you expect me to get the same rise out of playing with other people as you do.
Playing video games with other people doesnt work for me. It never has, it is not enjoyable and I do not prefer it as opposed to playing them solo.
I have real socialism in my life, I dont need to, nor have a desire to chat to people while playing a game. Sheeesh, get over it that not everyone plays games to play with other people.
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I think the reason there's not henchmen there already is to encourage you to play with people... so do that It can't be that hard to find one person to play with, can it? |
Tyla
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It's a "Why not" for me. Nice to just jump in, although for ToA they should slap the heroes' levels to 20 when you have entered an area.
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R.Shayne
/signed
My friends list is full but more and more of my friends never show up anymore. The game is getting old and that means fewer players are logging on. Add the restriction that I can not stand Ursan Blessing and my choice are narrowed even further. That narrows my choices to: Bug the few people that are still playing, PUG (never going to happen), PUG with a Ursan team (NOT THAT COLD YET), or go farm.
I also feel some guilt when trying to put a party together because you are bugging people that may be doing something else.
I would rather see allowing a full party of Heroes then allowing Henchmen in the underworld but will take what I can get at this time.
My friends list is full but more and more of my friends never show up anymore. The game is getting old and that means fewer players are logging on. Add the restriction that I can not stand Ursan Blessing and my choice are narrowed even further. That narrows my choices to: Bug the few people that are still playing, PUG (never going to happen), PUG with a Ursan team (NOT THAT COLD YET), or go farm.
I also feel some guilt when trying to put a party together because you are bugging people that may be doing something else.
I would rather see allowing a full party of Heroes then allowing Henchmen in the underworld but will take what I can get at this time.
Miska Bow
/signed for full party of heroes in those area.
I tried ursanway in those but hitting Kboard with my forehead too much makes me bleed, then blood gets in my eyes and i cant see the screen no more.
I tried ursanway in those but hitting Kboard with my forehead too much makes me bleed, then blood gets in my eyes and i cant see the screen no more.
MithranArkanere
Nope.
What they should do is REMOVING Henchmen from the Tombs of Primeval kings, and turning that into a real elite area with some unique drops, an unique set of weapons that drop there and one end-chest.
And then turn the first are in layers into an outpost without henchmen.
That way each chapter would have one elite area without henchmen.
What they should do is REMOVING Henchmen from the Tombs of Primeval kings, and turning that into a real elite area with some unique drops, an unique set of weapons that drop there and one end-chest.
And then turn the first are in layers into an outpost without henchmen.
That way each chapter would have one elite area without henchmen.
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Nope.
What they should do is REMOVING Henchmen from the Tombs of Primeval kings, and turning that into a real elite area with some unique drops, an unique set of weapons that drop there and one end-chest. And then turn the first are in layers into an outpost without henchmen. That way each chapter would have one elite area without henchmen. |
But better drops in Tombs would make me go there more often. I have tried H/H'ing a couple of times but only made it the third or fourth maps, but I dont really play it that much at all.
I would actually like to see the challenge missions get revamped and improved, I really enjoyed fighting mobs of afflicted in the Canthan one, but did feel I could have done a lot better with a full hero party there.
Ok, so this is going offtopic, but mabe allow full hero parties in challenge missions olny so that we can get our fix of build creativity? No one really plays them anyway, and their purpose is to grind for hero armors, so it wouldnt hurt anyone if you could take a full party of heroes into these missions.
Konig Des Todes
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What on earth is the whole point behind socialising in a video game? How is that even possible?
Care to explain how you actually feel 'social' inside video games? Why exactly do threads like these always have to resort to what you believe is 'social' and bashing someone for choosing to play games solo? There is no requirement for any video game, online or offline, to have to be social inside the game itself, it still sickens me to this day that people like you expect me to get the same rise out of playing with other people as you do. Playing video games with other people doesnt work for me. It never has, it is not enjoyable and I do not prefer it as opposed to playing them solo. I have real socialism in my life, I dont need to, nor have a desire to chat to people while playing a game. Sheeesh, get over it that not everyone plays games to play with other people. |
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I don't see the logic here. Signing it for the other two and not ToA sounds very retarded to me.
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If you want to do an elite area with henchmen, do Sorrow's Furnace, Slavers', or Tombs, those are the only Elite Areas that allow henchmen, Urgoz doesn't, The Deep doesn't, DoA doesn't. Why do people only want Henchmen for UW/FoW? Just add them to DoA and the other places so we can never do anything with others and get stuck in our basements/attics all our life! (so people don't take that last part serious, /endsarcasm)
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Nope.
What they should do is REMOVING Henchmen from the Tombs of Primeval kings, and turning that into a real elite area with some unique drops, an unique set of weapons that drop there and one end-chest. And then turn the first are in layers into an outpost without henchmen. That way each chapter would have one elite area without henchmen. |
Overall, the point of henchmen not being ascended is to make the Elite Areas harder, allowing them into one Elite area that they currently can't will cause such massive QQ on both sides (those being "Why are can they go there now! It's no longer Elite!" from the Elitists, and "Why aren't they in Urgoz, Deep, and DoA!!!1!!1" from people like you who want Henchmen in the Elite Areas).
It would be better off if nothing happens or henchmen are removed from Tombs, Slavers', and Sorrow's Furnace. (or Maybe the removal of Henchmen all together and add them as Heroes for Factions and Prophecies, would love to see Devona with a sword instead of Hammer for once like in the trailer, and to make their builds.)
But doing that last part, would mean having to make it at least a part of 5 heroes with your one character, to even things out a little for those who like to solo (like myself, and bhavv, it seems).
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Konig Des Todes
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Wait, playing with real players which can change their skill bars and actually not be retarded is harder than H/H? Holy crap, news to me.
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I honestly feel like I'm talking to a troll with an IQ of 60, but that's Guru for you.
MithranArkanere
It's not about making them harder or easier.
It's about requiring parties without henchmen there.
Henchmen are a 'last resort' for when you have no time to or do not want to find other players.
But like you need other players in PvP, Elite areas have that rule, and they require that leve of game, with other players too.
It's about requiring parties without henchmen there.
Henchmen are a 'last resort' for when you have no time to or do not want to find other players.
But like you need other players in PvP, Elite areas have that rule, and they require that leve of game, with other players too.
CoopaTroopa
/signed
I don't see how forcing players to wait around to find an unreliable PuG would make an area "more elite." Sure, the game was designed to be social, with the realms of the gods being meant for 8 actual players. But look at any of the elite areas nowadays; they're either limited to players trying to solo (tombs and many UW players), full of pugs only looking for ursan (doa, fow, team uw groups), or they're just empty (deep, urgoz, sf). For many people, if the choice is obnoxious pug full of 12 year old ursans or just going and doing something else, they'll choose something else every time. I think adding henchmen would rejuvenate these areas for many players, and its not like them having henchmen would take away from your own "social" aspect of the game.
I don't see how forcing players to wait around to find an unreliable PuG would make an area "more elite." Sure, the game was designed to be social, with the realms of the gods being meant for 8 actual players. But look at any of the elite areas nowadays; they're either limited to players trying to solo (tombs and many UW players), full of pugs only looking for ursan (doa, fow, team uw groups), or they're just empty (deep, urgoz, sf). For many people, if the choice is obnoxious pug full of 12 year old ursans or just going and doing something else, they'll choose something else every time. I think adding henchmen would rejuvenate these areas for many players, and its not like them having henchmen would take away from your own "social" aspect of the game.
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/notsigned for ToA
Chantry and Zin Ku Corridor, maybe. Coming from the southern shiverpeaks to Lonar's Pass, maybe. However, you can just grab one other person who dislikes pugs (a guildie or friend) and take 6 heroes. |
Wholehearted /sign from me. I really see no reason not to, as it disadvantages nothing. In fact, Henchmen should be ascended everywhere, as there is no reason not to.
MisterB
ANet didn't want to allow henchmen in elite areas as a design decision. But heroes are now allowed, so I don't really see the point in excluding them any longer.
Sword Hammer Axe
/notsigned
Uw, FoW, Urgoz, Deep and DoA are elite areas that are made for players to team up and do this. It would ruin a lot of the concept having people loning the entire area.
Uw, FoW, Urgoz, Deep and DoA are elite areas that are made for players to team up and do this. It would ruin a lot of the concept having people loning the entire area.
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Your logic really makes no sense. Why not ToA but yes to Chantry and Zin Ku? Also, some people H/H so they can go alone and not with anyone; even friends or guildies.
Wholehearted /sign from me. I really see no reason not to, as it disadvantages nothing. In fact, Henchmen should be ascended everywhere, as there is no reason not to. |
As a restatement from before, I'm hardcore about henchmen not being allowed in Elite Areas, especially if they can only go to UW and FoW after an update, but no other that they currently cannot go into. And as stated before, I would much rather see the removal of all Henchmen (and a few heroes) and make Devona and co. heroes. (Removal of a few heroes to make the amount of heroes balanced at 3 per profession with the addition of new heroes)
bhavv
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They arent elite areas, they are just slightly challenging, yet completely easy.
You couldnt even get anywhere in Urgoz / Deep / DoA with H/H anyway because of the map layouts, environmental layouts, spawn patterns and boss skills.
UW and FoW are not elite in anyway at all, they are just ordinary places that you have to pay to enter.
Theres another thing. If you want to solo UW / FoW you need to pay the full 1k everytime., whereas in a full group of players, you only pay 120g. If someone is willing to pay the full price and go in alone, why not let them?
People are already doing this to solo ecto and shards, how much difference would it make if these players went in with H/H instead? None at all.
bhavv
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Let me first say, I personally prefer to play with H/H. And what I meant by socialize in the game, is to talk to people, make "friends" that can help you do stuff like duo FoW/UW with heroes.
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Also, I am completely unable to feel 'socially connected' with anyone in a video game who I dont know in real life, and dont even know what they look like or have never personally met them. I get my social fix from real people that I can see and talk to, not characters running around in a video game. For some reason, I can only socially interact with people in real social circumstances, I cannot do it over the interwebz. I usually forget people that I once knew inside the game because it is hard remembering every fictional name you come across.
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Overall, the point of henchmen not being ascended is to make the Elite Areas harder, allowing them into one Elite area that they currently can't will cause such massive QQ on both sides (those being "Why are can they go there now! It's no longer Elite!" from the Elitists, and "Why aren't they in Urgoz, Deep, and DoA!!!1!!1" from people like you who want Henchmen in the Elite Areas).
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Using H/H in elite areas would be far more elite then using real players. There wouldnt really be many complaints because everyone that enjoys solo farming there wont oppose to this chage, neither will the people that would prefer to H/H.
Also, it doesnt matter at all how many people complain anymore, after all, UB still hasnt been nerfed. People would appreciate this change. If you wouldnt like it, no one would be forcing you to use it, just like no one is forcing me to play ursan way.
And in case you missed the whole point for this suggestion - I dont play ursan way, period.
It is very hard finding non ursan groups for some elite areas and dungeons now because the majority are running ursan way.
You really cannot consider or see the point of view from people that dont like playing the same way that you do. We arent all identical, just because you like and enjoy something like ursan and player groups, doesnt mean that everyone else feels the same way.
Konig Des Todes
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Yes, elite areas are really hard with ursan blessing :x
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It is very hard finding non ursan groups for some elite areas and dungeons now because the majority are running ursan way. You really cannot consider or see the point of view from people that dont like playing the same way that you do. We arent all identical, just because you like and enjoy something like ursan and player groups, doesnt mean that everyone else feels the same way. |
Like I said many times, I'd rather see people able to play with 5 heroes rather than 3 heroes and 4 henchmen. You don't seem to get my point of view, but I get yours. I'm giving alternative suggestions and your spitting in my face (verbally, mind you) seemingly implying that I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about and saying that I am trying to force things on others, which, as I said, is NOT the case. I have been stating my opinion, explaining them, and defending them. Please stop accusing me for something I am not doing (and, please note, I did not accuse you of anything, just stated how I am taking things of what you said, that is excluding the part about you thinking I want everyone to play the same, as you did say that, and again, that is not true.)
R.Shayne
Doesn’t Matter if they nerf what ever build is currently the most powerful teams will just want whatever classes that gets them to the end chest the fastest. Currently the fastest team for UW Speed Clear is 2 W/Me R10 Ursan, 1 Permasin, 3 Terra Tanks, and 2 HB Monks. If they nerf ursan blessing (and notice IF since ANET has not disclosed if they will or not) the only thing that will happen is that they will replace the 2 Ursan with what every build is the most powerful.
The first problem that players will face is that teams do not want classes that do not fit in with the current speed clear party. Players will be forced to switch character classes and they will most likely be forced to bring the “correct” build. So if someone primary character is a Mesmer and they want to actually finish the Underworld it is not going to happen.
The second problem and this one is going to affect everyone is the game is 3 years old. The last expansion was almost a year ago and the number of people is growing smaller every day. Starting a pug right now for a UW Clear is almost laughable and takes way to long just getting a group together. If you believe a ursan nerf is going to solve this problem I have only one question to ask, “Do they drug test where you work?”
I hate pugs and refuse to do it but the good news is I have 2 accounts. So when I feel like completing the UW I don’t have to pug. I just do it with 6 Heroes instead of 7. Others here have stated that they would rather not do an elite area then be forced to try with a pug. So if you give these people henchmen or heroes it does not really matter, they would not have been enjoying your company anyway.
The first problem that players will face is that teams do not want classes that do not fit in with the current speed clear party. Players will be forced to switch character classes and they will most likely be forced to bring the “correct” build. So if someone primary character is a Mesmer and they want to actually finish the Underworld it is not going to happen.
The second problem and this one is going to affect everyone is the game is 3 years old. The last expansion was almost a year ago and the number of people is growing smaller every day. Starting a pug right now for a UW Clear is almost laughable and takes way to long just getting a group together. If you believe a ursan nerf is going to solve this problem I have only one question to ask, “Do they drug test where you work?”
I hate pugs and refuse to do it but the good news is I have 2 accounts. So when I feel like completing the UW I don’t have to pug. I just do it with 6 Heroes instead of 7. Others here have stated that they would rather not do an elite area then be forced to try with a pug. So if you give these people henchmen or heroes it does not really matter, they would not have been enjoying your company anyway.
DarkGanni
Also since ToA doesn't have lvl20 henchmen, make them lvl20 upon FoW/UW entrance (similar to what already exists when doing HM).
/signed
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then why don't you use Ursan Blessing. The reason why you started this thread was to get away from UB, so why even bring that up?
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Never said you did, I never even brought it up, you did, multiple times in your posts.
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You are clouded by your own personal beliefs of how the game should be played. UW and FoW are literally no-go areas for non ursan players. You cannot just say 'well why dont you use it' to people that strongly oppose and dislike ursan way.
You should really stop posting in a thread which you cant understand.
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So if someone primary character is a Mesmer and they want to actually finish the Underworld it is not going to happen. Starting a pug right now for a UW Clear is almost laughable and takes way to long just getting a group together. I hate pugs and refuse to do it but the good news is I have 2 accounts. |
Starting a pug for UW or FoW with any character except for monks without ursan on your skill bar and R10 norn title track is laughable.
And I wish I had 2 accounts as well for 6 heroes
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Not what I was getting at. Not playing with henchmen make it less playable and forces people to make groups, which makes it harder to enter, not do.
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Henchmen are a 'last resort' for when you have no time to or do not want to find other players
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MithranArkanere
And many people uses Pringles cans to make WiFi antennae.
You seeing something in a way does not change the real use of that thing.
Pringles cans are meant to carry Pringles.
Henchmen are meant to be a last resort.
It's not my opinion, is design.
You seeing something in a way does not change the real use of that thing.
Pringles cans are meant to carry Pringles.
Henchmen are meant to be a last resort.
It's not my opinion, is design.
Konig Des Todes
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Please learn to read and comprehend a little better. The whole reasoning behing allowing henchmen into UW and SoW in my OP is so that people who DONT want to use Ursan can feel free to play it their own way.
You are clouded by your own personal beliefs of how the game should be played. UW and FoW are literally no-go areas for non ursan players. You cannot just say 'well why dont you use it' to people that strongly oppose and dislike ursan way. You should really stop posting in a thread which you cant understand. |
I'll even bold it for you this time: I was just stating my opinions. And while I did that, you say I'm trying to force you to play how I want you to play. I never said that, I said how I would rather have the game, I never said "This is how the game MUST be!11!1!!one!1!1eleven!" I said "This is how I would prefer the game to be." There is a difference, a big difference.
I stated my opinions, and now I'm forced to defend how they were opinions on how I wish the game was, and not that I'm trying to force you to do things how I want. I gave alternate suggestions, I said why I dislike your suggestion, and I said why it wasn't done in the first place. No where did I insult you without you insulting me first, same goes to Tala.
Please don't say to stop posting in a thread where I do not understand when I do understand, and it is you who doesn't understand what I am saying.
N1ghtstalker
"Devona is using Healing signet!"
"Bladed Aatxe used Savage Slash!"
*pain*
/notsigned
henches aren't of any use in the UW or FoW
just team up with another person so you can get heroes
"Bladed Aatxe used Savage Slash!"
*pain*
/notsigned
henches aren't of any use in the UW or FoW
just team up with another person so you can get heroes
Tyla
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As for personal attacks, nobody has done so whatsoever. I merely had a problem about your suggestion to this suggestion to limit it to the other two outposts only.
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Tala? The "Y" is nowhere near the "A" on a common Querty keyboard.
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Tala? The "Y" is nowhere near the "A" on a common Querty keyboard.
As for personal attacks, nobody has done so whatsoever. I merely had a problem about your suggestion to this suggestion to limit it to the other two outposts only. |
Kanyatta
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MithranArkanere
I'm not googling for something that doesn't really matter...
But you can see the game boxes. Mine of the Prophecies Special Edition (in Spanish) says that you can use henchmen "If you can't find other players".
The point is that Elite areas are important. Not something you do in spare time. IT's something to gather people, plan and work together.
They require tactics and such, not skills using the Spacebar to make the Warrior Henchmen lure enemies, and using the flag to move the AI party.
Heroes are allowed there because they are the 'final resort' when there's absolutely no one to join, but at least someone else should be there in Elite missions.
But you can see the game boxes. Mine of the Prophecies Special Edition (in Spanish) says that you can use henchmen "If you can't find other players".
The point is that Elite areas are important. Not something you do in spare time. IT's something to gather people, plan and work together.
They require tactics and such, not skills using the Spacebar to make the Warrior Henchmen lure enemies, and using the flag to move the AI party.
Heroes are allowed there because they are the 'final resort' when there's absolutely no one to join, but at least someone else should be there in Elite missions.
CoopaTroopa
Personally, I'd say elite areas would be made HARDER with only h/h. Imagine a PvE area where you HAD to use only set henchmen and heroes. This would immediately cut out a large chunk of the PvE only builds that just molest their way through the game (ursan teams, imbagons, etc). It would be dependent on YOUR skill, not whether johny ursan over there has farmed enough norn points.
As for the design of the game being for real people, meh. I can see how they want to encourage play with other humans, but I think that making PvE only skills unusable on heroes is about as much of a catch as there needs to be.
Let the henchmen see these areas, they've been hearing people talk about them for ages now and still don't know what they look like
As for the design of the game being for real people, meh. I can see how they want to encourage play with other humans, but I think that making PvE only skills unusable on heroes is about as much of a catch as there needs to be.
Let the henchmen see these areas, they've been hearing people talk about them for ages now and still don't know what they look like
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
"Devona is using Healing signet!"
"Bladed Aatxe used Savage Slash!" *pain* /notsigned henches aren't of any use in the UW or FoW just team up with another person so you can get heroes |
So I hear Herta, Sogolon, Khim, and Mhenlo make your team bullet proof!
Some people know how to use henchmen and can use them far better then a pug team.
You wouldnt have to use henchmen if you didnt want to, but plenty of good H/H'ers would have no problem playing through UW and FoW with H/H.
I dont team up with other people anymore.