Make Trapping viable again in PVE - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

aotdsyndrome

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Maguuma Jungle

My Girlfriend Left Me For [Koss]

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 08:14 - 1

Hello

as a few words of presentation, I've been playing GW as a primary ranger mainly since the opening day, and I was devastated at the ew nerf, as many of you were too.
After that, we've been getting Ursan, SF, 55hps which still ahsnt been nerfed, VwK, etc, which have permitted other classes to farm the hell out of the game.

We rangers, however, have gotten our only means of effective farming (not counting BP - but pet corpses got pwned too) taken out of the game!

Also, let's not forget the actual fun of trapping - I love it, seeing the enemy mobs walk towards you only to be crippled, poisoned, burned, KDd etc! So why not an actual PVE trapper? For general questing, not only farming?

To ask for a trapping buff, /signed

willypiggy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/Mo

08 Jul 2008 at 08:19 - 2

I bealive EW was nerfed because of spiritway in HA? With PvP/PvE skill separation they could put it back to normal for PvE so, signed I guess.

/signed

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

08 Jul 2008 at 08:33 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by aotdsyndrome

We rangers, however, have gotten our only means of effective farming (not counting BP - but pet corpses got pwned too) taken out of the game!

/signed

By the way... Rangers used to have another great farming method, but they killed that stone dead: Splinter Barrage.

eg. Battle of Turai's Procession... Solo... 72 Hard Mode margonites go BOOM, or 80 margonites + the boss if you were a Rit primary (Rt/R). About 6 minutes per run. The same method worked for other mobs too, but alas... it is no more.

aotdsyndrome

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Maguuma Jungle

My Girlfriend Left Me For [Koss]

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 08:49 - 4

yes

forgot about Splinter Barrage... Give rangers the ability to farm once again!

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 08:50 - 5

/signed

I want my trapper back, using pure traps + winnowing is not fun ;/

And yeah, EW was nerfed because of abuse in HA.

Quote:

yes forgot about Splinter Barrage... Give rangers the ability to farm once again!

No. My favorite ranger build is splinter barrage, but even I know that 1k damage every 6 seconds is overpowered.

FXCW

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

London,UK

Passionate Kiss of Nosferatu

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 10:15 - 6

/signed

Would be nice to be able to go solo the UW again with my ranger.

Twin Blade Warriror

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

I was in a guild by myself with 2 of my other accounts..but im banned now

W/

08 Jul 2008 at 10:43 - 7

fun times.. now my ranger is just my storage holder..
/signed

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

08 Jul 2008 at 10:45 - 8

/signed (and more)

Miss the farming and the solo trapper playing a part in groups. With Ursan being abused to no ends I don't see trappers coming back to any party.

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

08 Jul 2008 at 12:37 - 9

/signed

Used to love trapping in groups, eventhough now with ursan in place I probably wont get the chance to do that at all, atleast it'll be made easier for you to do it if possible :3.

Sir Owns Alot EP

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

[Town]

P/W

08 Jul 2008 at 13:56 - 10

I gave up on my Ranger a long time ago

. You think farming as a Ranger is hard? Try it as a Paragon.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 14:22 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Owns Alot EP

I gave up on my Ranger a long time ago

. You think farming as a Ranger is hard? Try it as a Paragon.

But Ranger is, in theory, THE BEST class to survive among foes. And Paragon was, is and always will be a support class. Check out his primary attribute.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

08 Jul 2008 at 14:24 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

No. My favorite ranger build is splinter barrage, but even I know that 1k damage every 6 seconds is overpowered.

And why is that bad? It was overpowered from the start, and stayed that way for what? Over a year? Was it ever a problem in PvE in that time? Did it allow you to mow through every Hard Mode area the way A Certain Skill does right now? No.

They'll never put it back the way it was, but I can dream.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

08 Jul 2008 at 14:34 - 13

I miss the days of trapping UW with guildies.

/signed

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 14:39 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

And why is that bad? It was overpowered from the start, and stayed that way for what? Over a year? Was it ever a problem in PvE in that time? Did it allow you to mow through every Hard Mode area the way A Certain Skill does right now? No.

They'll never put it back the way it was, but I can dream.

Actually, it wasn't like that from the start. They buffed Splinter Weapon to it's overpowered state and then tuned down. It's still better in PvE than in PvP.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

08 Jul 2008 at 14:51 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Actually, it wasn't like that from the start. They buffed Splinter Weapon to it's overpowered state and then tuned down. It's still better in PvE than in PvP.

They buffed splinter SIX times before it became imba actually.

Quote:

After that, we've been getting Ursan, SF, 55hps which still ahsnt been nerfed, VwK, etc, which have permitted other classes to farm the hell out of the game

Rangers can Uran (Boo!), 55Hp (srsly), VwK (try it, srsly), Geomancer stuff (srsly ...)

Etc etc etc...

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

08 Jul 2008 at 15:06 - 16

/signed!!!!!!!!!

I love my ranger

toastgodsupreme

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

United States

Me/

08 Jul 2008 at 15:12 - 17

That reminds me, I need to delete my ranger.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

08 Jul 2008 at 15:18 - 18

I wouldn't really care, because the game is already easy BUT! An said that they're separating pve and pvp and that pve that got nerfed because of pvp will be restored.
And yet many skills have been forgotten, like Energizing Wind, Fox's Promise, Black Lotus Strike yadayada.

So yea, /signed.

ahem.

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quebec, Canada

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 15:19 - 19

/signed

I miss trapping in Stygian Veil and other places :'(

Enix

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

I am in a transitional period.

GRE

08 Jul 2008 at 15:19 - 20

Take the exhaustion away from Chain Lightning too, while you are at it.

/signed

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

08 Jul 2008 at 15:30 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hissy

And why is that bad?

You don't see how overpowered skills are bad for game? Oh, OK.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

08 Jul 2008 at 15:42 - 22

If you don't see... Go play single player games, please. I beg of you, GO AWAY TO SINGLE PLAYER GAMES AND ENABLE GOD MODE!

viper11025

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

02/18/05 (Pm me with the place, its a riddle)

A/

08 Jul 2008 at 16:49 - 23

/Signed
Reduce the cast time a bit too.
Plz

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

08 Jul 2008 at 16:53 - 24

Hm... they could increase the speed of traps in PvE.

no talent

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

Africa

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

E/Me

10 Jul 2008 at 20:55 - 25

/signed

i miss trapping veil and UW QQ

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

10 Jul 2008 at 21:03 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by aotdsyndrome

We rangers, however, have gotten our only means of effective farming (not counting BP - but pet corpses got pwned too) taken out of the game!

As long as it seems SF and UB are not going to be nerfed, I think Rangers need some love too.

This sentence is the only reason I /sign this.

But, if UB and SF get nerfed, then I don't think it should be implemented.

Anet, either destroy the game or try to rebuild it, stop this in-between sh!t you have going on.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

10 Jul 2008 at 23:12 - 27

I'm confused. When has trapping in a party ever been viable in PvE apart from organized friends and guild groups? Sure, it's fun in an all-trapper group for a while, but it is time-consuming and arguably less effective than other alternatives. There's nothing stopping you now from forming these sorts of parties if you want. It's a game after all, and if you find that fun, more power to you.

Do you mean solo? Solo-trapping still works fine on a ranger. Or are you asking for Energizing Wind to have a PvE split to make it easier? You can still solo many places, including UW and Veil, as a trapper.

Energizing Wind seems a decent candidate for consideration as a PvE skill; it really doesn't hurt to bring it back.

edit: I hope this isn't too far off-topic, but if you want to solo trap Stygian Veil, you still can. I wrote a guide here.

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

10 Jul 2008 at 23:31 - 28

Emphatically /signed

Stygian trapping was the only solo pursuit I was ever any good at. I want my Energising Wind to energise me, not give me a brief kick up the ass.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

11 Jul 2008 at 01:42 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

I'm confused. When has trapping in a party ever been viable in PvE apart from organized friends and guild groups?

Answer - Urgoz's Warren. The solo trapper would run ahead, place traps and pull the group into the traps, other rangers would use splinter / barrage and pets to attack them, necro MM would turn the pets and dead things into minions, elementalist nuked about the same time the rangers started, 2 rits had a wall of spirits up and monks heal. When done correctly it was just a beautiful thing to see happen.

I don't ever expect to see such a coordinated action in guild wars 1 or 2 again.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

11 Jul 2008 at 01:48 - 30

Never been to Urgoz, thanks for that. I don't discount their usefulness in an organized group, however, as I mentioned above. Most PuGs don't understand tactics, calling, pulling, ignore radar pings, etc. More often than not, the traps get wasted in PuGs.