Guild Wars 2, perfect for consoles? PS3 and Xbox 360?

Remember how Sony had exclusives on all the Devil May Cry games? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're available on 360. Please step off your pedestal of Sony > Microsoft elitism and accept the fact that Microsoft has more money.

On topic: GW2 is not perfect for consoles in the least. Online multiplayer for consoles is more often much shoddier than on PC. Most console online is client-side hosted anyway.

First of all, if they move GW2 off of the PC, I will be TRULY dissapointed, because I've never seen a MMO succeed on a typical game system (and I don't want to drop $300-$500 for a new system when I'll be getting a new PC around the time of GW2's release anyway).

Second, They're not going to move GW2 off of the PC.

Third, PC gaming won't be dying any time soon. As long as they keep making new PC operating systems, there will be games on them. Vista JUST got started, and if you guys don't recall, no one liked XP either until Windows worked out all the bugs 2-3 years after its release. Hell, I didn't even switch to XP until late 2005.

Fourth, it would be utterly pointless to move GW2 because there's nothing a game system can do that a decent gaming PC can't top.

Fifth, if they were to move it, they would drive a wedge into their player-base by putting it on multiple consoles- Something Anet is far too smart to do.

QFT.

No one seems to remember this except a select few people. The entire world has gone ZOMG MACZ RULE! because Vista has a few bugs. Personally, I use it and have never had a problem with it. The only issue I have ever had is anytime I want to download something, Windows asks me if I'm sure I want to download it. I clicked the Download button, didn't I? It's only a 1 second inconvenience, but whatever.

Just wait for Service Pack 2, XP wasn't good until 2 anyway.

I'd wait for Windows 7 instead.

Vista is like a Windows ME.

Too many people don't believe that. How I pity them.

Couldn't care less if it's console friendly as long as it's not dumbed down to deal with console limitations.

I'm almost certain you can turn that off anyway.

Yes, because money can suddenly convince NCSoft to pay huge severance fees for a contract they signed with SCEA. You lack understanding of corporate dynamics. Stick to Guild Wars fundamentals, then move up the ladder. Devil May Cry wasn't on contract. A corporate binding agreement is. Once that expires, NCSoft may do as they like.

Oh, and just one other thing. If you actually look at the online systems for both consoles, you will find the PS3's online system and network to be highly superior for MMO environments, due to open platform support and cross server capability. But that wouldn't matter either right?


What is this word limitations? The Cell knows no limitations. You speak blasphemy.

well I play WoW, Tabula Rasa, various FPS's, and used to play Guild Wars using an XBOX 360 controller hooked up to my PC. I haven't set it back up since I wiped, though I've been meaning to. There are more than enough buttons for most cases, the toughest being anything non-melee in WoW since most people are used to loading gobs of spells onto their action bars.

For people talking about how it would dumb down Guild Wars...well hello, I haven't come across many people yet that haven't joked about how dumbed down Guild Wars is (oh, you just select the enemy then press space to go to them lol.. oh your character just follows and keeps facing the enemy? lol oh you just press C then space for the next enemy once he's done? lol). Now I love Guild Wars and prefer it over most of the others I switch out on, but the interface is almost as dumbed down as you can get in an mmo. Anything more and you've got Diablo (which is pretty slick for what it is - an action rpg).

NOTE: I wasn't laughing because I know Guild Wars is supposed to be more about skill (or was).

The fact that you only use 8 skills max in the first place reinforces that.. Try switchblade out sometime for those of you interested in paying with an xbox 360 controller you have. It works with quite a few games more than the blades support - great in Tabula Rasa). Guild Wars is a bit awkward because of the C space, but it still works out.. Melee in woW is great and it lets you kite really easy (assuming you are able to play with a controller).

On one of the new consoles, everyone would have access to voice chat (got vent? got ts?), whether they could use it or not, it's there. I agree with a previous poster that due to the relationship of NCSoft and Sony nothing they make will end up on the 360 most likely. I have both plus PCs, and even though I prefer the 360 over the ps3, the ps3 is still quite a capable machine. Even more, every PS3 has a hard drive.

People have had some good arguments about keeping wow off the console because they aren't required to discipline themselves to only 8 skills (or from the other side, it's not dumbed down to using only 8 skills like some kind of action rpg), but there's not much of a reason at all for some kind of GW to work on a console. Too many people have it blocked out in their mind. Some of you may not remember the days when games started using the mouse and many people stuck with keyboard gaming, thinking that was stupid.

The graphics would be fine. Even for someone like me that plays on a 30 monitor at 2560x1600 it would be fine because I don't notice a difference between that and 1920x1200. As a side note I set it to that so it doesn't have to change from my desktop resolution since nvidia keeps RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up its vista drivers.

Both consoles have a (functional, though crappy) keyboard accessory, though with voice chat and the difficulty of getting used to the mini keyboards, I'd welcome less BS in the chat channels without having to turn them off. There is also the mouse/keyboard option for the PS3, but if you are going to use that, I'd rather be at a desk instead of on the couch (where I play my consoles). Keyboards/mice just seem to unwieldy to me on the couch (even had a remote one and I don't care for the gyros).

The thing is, someone someday will think outside the box and pull it off. That's all it really takes is thinking outside the box and thrwing out pre-conceived notions. The reason, I suspect, that it hasn't been done yet (except Phantasy Star Online and FF) is because as we all know none of the big players are really into taking big risks. Doing anything for the first time is a big risk, and ANet was probably up for it when it was first founded, but they won't be taking any more risks I suspect - with the titles that came out and the fact that GW2 sounds like WoW 1.5.

http://www.switchbladegaming.com/

If any of you are going to QuakeCon, you'll find me there once again with my 360 controller gaming away (well, unless I'm playing an RTS or downloading pr0n, but Civ Revolution - from someone that thinks outside the box, namely Sid Meier - may change that as well)..

as a final note, its unfortunate that the deal is with Sony as they seem to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up MMOs on the PC, much less trying one of a console.

i'm reading the comments and they seem to assume that if guild wars 2 were to be made on ps3 and xbox 360 that they would somehow forget about the PC users which i don't think is the case

Make it for all the platforms....if possible....why? To get more people playing and into guild wars

There haven't been that many MMO's for consoles because the monthly fee, Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee thus making it a perfect setting for consoles

the monthly fee keeps people without credit cards away from online gaming if they don't have some other means to pre-purchase credit for a month like WoW does with those mini credit cards sold at stores

Thank you!!!!

thats true

most people who purchase macs would probably get them for stability and ease of use instead of strictly gaming but that doesn't mean that gaming shouldn't be supported for that platform as there's probably a good userbase who would buy games even if its not there first intention of owning said machine

If Macs supported gaming better, i wouldn't be using Windows...same can be said about linux

PC gaming isnt dying but its evolving into something different which is a good thing imho. I think PC gaming is having "trouble" because it is perceived that games dont sell and there is some evidence to agree with that (consoles sell more games i beleive but dont take that as a fact i will double check). MMO's are the realm where PC's rule though and for that reason alone pcs wont die. Plus look at all the games coming, GW2, fallout 3, Aion, Diablo 3, Starcraft, crysis warhead, and a million more. Both consoles and pc gaming can coexist because they both are aimed at different markets. Personally i perfer consoles but pc gaming is freaking awesome too, its a great time to be a gamer.

its okay most my posts aren't intelligent

Oblivion is a FPS/RPG type games and sold well on consoles...consoles aren't strictly FPS though thats probably the most profitable market right now with multiplayer FPS shooters.....

There's a market waiting to boom on consoles, Multiplayer with RPG elements like Guild Wars will keep people hooked...

Umm... Yes it could? Say the severance fee is a million dollars (just a number for example), Microsoft could say "We'll give you 2 million if you give us GW2". NCSoft would switch in a heartbeat.

Mostly, what I am saying is the PS3 is not the second coming of Christ, as you make it out to be, and it has it's flaws just like any console.

Oblivion really isn't a shooter at all. It's a first person RPG. I guess arrows could be "shooting", but...

By the way, Oblivion also sold well on PC.

yeah but i'm not saying Kill of PC gaming, i'm saying have it for all platforms

Guild Wars/A.NEt have always been a company about doing things differently and being first at doing these things

Guild Wars is very Massive Multiplayer Oriented but with no monthly fee....people at the start were saying are you sure you don't want us to pay a monthly fee? etc etc they though they were crazy but did it

Guild Wars on as many platforms as it can get on would be amazing, PC, 360, PS3, MAC.....and all of us playing together at once....it would be SWEET

Wow... no I don't... not even close. The PS3 has plenty of issues, just not as many as the 360.

And you clearly don't severance fees... It isn't a 1 million dollar fee, it is based on percentages usually, and companies RARELY if ever break contract.

And again, the PS3 has the more open online platform, which gives NCSoft more wiggle room. The PS3 is much more PC like then the 360. The 360 is extremely proprietary.

You need to do some research on why companies make contracts between one another, and why they wouldn't bother to pay a severance fee. Microsoft also charges monthly for their XBOX live service, meaning it would be quite expensive to pay for an MMO (if it wasn't GW2) and XBOX Live together.

Oh, and PC gaming is far from dead. If any of you actually think that... I have news for you... it is NOT. Farthest thing from it.

You can play games on a console. You can make a cheesy movies and maybe play some iTunes on a Mac. What can you do on a PC? All that and more!

Mac's have a lot of sweet games. Like... Breakout... and.... Super Breakout... and...photoshop...

and every other game out there cause of boot camp.

Yep. When I bought a Macbook, I had no intention of gaming on it. I won't use Bootcamp to run Windows either, because the reason why I even bought a Mac was to avoid Windows altogether. When I play games I do it on my PC which has a ton better hardware anyway.

As for a console, I've seriously considered ditching upgrading my desktop PC for a PS3. The keyboard and mouse compatibility is nice, and I won't miss MMOs because I hate them for taking up countless hours of my life.

UT3 lol, hopefully GW2 will avoid that particular hurdle and not consolise their game.

It's a good idea in theory, but it's the whole PC gamers having an advantage for wielding a 'Keyboard of speed' & 'A Mouse of responsiveness +2' V's a joypad of.......

"let me turn round, almost there, gimme a sec, I'm almost turned, oops, I went to far, is it the Z button to autoface? No wait, i'm almost fully turned" (PC gamers by this time have finished the fight and are scratching their heads)

Thats if it was multi platform. Plus, without using a console mouse and keyboard (which imho, begs the question, why bother with consoles just to make them as PC like as possible?) using 8 and prolly more for GW2 skills would be a nightmare on a console

Oblivion had the ability to work well on consoles because of the way it played, it is a single player game, meaning that it was perfectly possible and acceptable for everything else to be paused whilst you bring up your inventory to scroll through several tabs and down to the particular poison you want.

If Oblivion was multiplayer it would have to have been designed completely differently, with far less depth in order for console gamers to play. There would be no way for them to get to that specific potion in the required time frame, they'd be dead by the time they managed to find it. There would be no way console controllers could have been mapped to each individual item without the game being horrifically complex, and requiring complicated and very specific key presses to access many things.
On the PC however this would have been much more possible, although still pretty horific.

I can't understand how you can play GW with a 360 controller as comfortably as with a keyboard and mouse, you'd need a keyboard to chat for a start, ok so you could just be silent, or use vent/TS. Standard console controllers have movement buttons and up to 8 other buttons, so that allows you to move and use each skill, maybe you can auto target, or use one of the unused movement multibuttons for target scrolling. Now say you want to put something in your storage, or use a candy cane, what do you do? I use at least 25 keys regularly when I play GW, in addition to my mouse, and there are several default bound keys that I don't use and many other potential key bindings I could use to make myself more competative with easier access to other functions.

Ok, so the game isn't as difficult to complete as it ma once have been (supposedly), that doesn't mean it isn't still complex from other perspectives, there are a lot of windows to look at and lots of things you may at some point want to click with your mouse or access via a key press, these things simply cannot be performed as easily with console controllers, several are probably impossible, I really don't know how advanced the programming of controller key bindings is, perhaps if you hold L1+R1+A+B+C+D and triple tap left then right you can move a specific inventory slot to a specific storgage slot, but I wouldn't want that kind of complication, and alternative methods would be far too slow for me, I'd kick you from my party if I had to wait half an hour for you to prepare.

360 has one of those text msg thingy that you can hook up to the pad, not to mention usb keyboard and mouse, same goes with the ps3.

IMO, the use of a keyboard and a mouse is basically against the console "philosophy", for many console gamers it would be impractical and uncomfortable in their normal gaming environment.

It seems to me that owners of consoles wishing to play GW2 on them, would have to relocate their console to a desk, buy and connect a keybaord and a mouse and essentially begin using their console as they would a PC.
The expense and inconvenience of this would probably put most off, and many would simply give up on their 'GW on a console' dream, or simply buy a PC. This would make production of GW2 for consoles unprofitable and unneccessary.

Console games generally in my experience have far less complicated interfaces than similar PC games due to the nature of console play. For many consoles were used with small TVs, and viewed at a considerably larger distance than PC monitors, using the interface would be impossible for many in this situation, forcing them to spend more money upgrading their equipment and moving to a desk. By this point it would have been cheaper to buy a PC with a monitor keyboard and mouse all thrown in.

It's pretty easy dude.

My setup with an XB360 controller is:
D-Pad Left: Friend List
D-Pad Right: Inventory
D-Pad Up: Quest Log
D-Pad Down: Skills and Attributes
Left Joystick: WSAD
Right Joystick: Mouse. Yeah thats right, you can move the mouse cursor so all that stuff you mentioned with storage and stuff takes the same amount of speed.
L Trigger: LMB
R Trigger: RMB
A: LMB
B: Push to talk on vent.
X: Close Dialog/Cancel
Y: Attack
L Shoulder: Left Action Bar (automatically moves the pointer over a skill for use with A/L Trigger to activate.)
R Shoulder: Right Action bar
Back: Map
Start: Target nearest enemy
L Joystick Button (pushed in): Zoom out
R Joystick Button (pushed in): Zoom in.


It's easy as hell once you get used to it, but that setup will only obviously work with offensive classes. Not recommended for healers etc!

Gently caress me! There's a console philosophy?!

Very good point. Some games require a lot from a computer. One reason I missed out on a lot of PC games (now that I have a decent computer, I'm happy though ). Consoles on the other hand, you can pop the game in and you're ready to play - no issues with graphics cards and whatnot.

You can plug in usb keyboards to the ps3/360, not sure of mouse as I've never tried and my console gaming has been almost nonexistant of late.

Having it on consoles would be interesting. Would have to see how they went about doing it. But I'm fine with it on PC.

Wii's have mouse + keyboard compatability.

And the Wii's got blue tooth. So making a head set wouldn't be too hard.

Only problem is, PS3's suck. 360 would be great.

QFT could not say it any better

Just look at the ps3 Pop linux on it (dl one of the many GUI's for it) hook up a keyboard and mouse and what do you have? A COMPUTER. seems sony thought ahead with the ps3.

Stupid Blizzard, what were they thinking when they decided that D3 and SC2 won't be ported to consoles.

/win

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Well I'm very surprised that anyone can use those joysticks as effectively as a mouse, but I find it unlikely that the majority of people will be able to achieve that in a reasonable timescale.
Those joysticks work on a very different type of motion to mice, I also doubt I have the same control abilities with my thumb as my arm/wrist. The motion from a mouse is in my experience much smoother and simpler to 'understand' than that of a small gamepad joystick, which, to the best of my knowledge based on the preceding versions, are far less accurate and have much less ability to respond to the exact motion you are trying to affect.
With a mouse, the motion across the screen is proportional to the actual motion of your hand (and mouse) across a surface, with a joystick, the motion depends on your pushing the stick in a particular direction. IN the same way that most people find the common mouse far more intuitive and useful than the original 'ball in a box' system from which they evolved, mice are easier to use for this purpose than joysticks.

From that key mapping, you have to scroll through your skills, I see no way this could be as quick as pressing 1...8 on your keyboard.

You would also be at least 6 keys down compared to a keyboard user, and even more when you consider the additional bindings that people can custom make, whilst a few like yourself may be capable enough to overcome this deficiancy, many without a keyboard would be unable to compete on the same level as someone with a keyboard and mouse.

Aww why didnt you put a picture of what was on the other side of the cover?

Sorry for the blurriness.. >.<

yea i suck with a pad compared to a kb dude. i only use it in pve for the lulz (and because you can win pve with a pad)

Either of the posters that posted screenshots of PC Gamer notice that is an ADVERTISEMENT, not an article? If not read the top middle part of the pages you posted.

I would like to see Guild Wars 2 on a console. I don't know if it would sell a lot, but I'd still buy it .

umm no offense here but when you buy the 360's it comes with all that is needed unless your cheap and dont buy the 400$ one that comes with the harddrive so did your brother lose the cables?? lol or did they break?

Personally I always grew up only having a computer. My parents always told me I didn't need Nintendo, PlayStation, Sega, etc. when I had a computer. So I'm all in favor of the game being only for the computer.

But I see no problem with making the game for various consoles. What I do see is they'll bring it out for the computer first and gradually introduce it to other gaming consoles. But you never know.