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Darkobra

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11 Jul 2008 at 15:39 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

You guys are taking this topic way out of hand. You are just talking about a Weapon Smith and Merchant. How about grinding to buy every npc including the 100k ones.

I put my time and gold nurturing a very good guild with a fully loaded hall. There should be a reward and commission. Making gold these days isn't easy anymore and this is a nice way to to go on about it, period.

I bought my share of the NPCs for the guild hall. It's my guild, I'm the leader and it's my decision if I want to pay for them. I did it for them and not to get some stupid reward out of it. I don't force my guild to pay. If they want to pay for a few NPCs, (and some have chipped their share in) then that's their decision. I alone should not benefit for selfish desires over the actions of my guild.

MStarfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

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11 Jul 2008 at 16:31 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightOwl

I think you miss the point of those merchants. They're in game as a gold sink, removing gold from the economy to help keep prices at a reasonable level. If you make the gold sink less efficient, the prices on everything go up. Unless, of course, you're looking forward to the day an ecto costs 100 plat?

Anet can do this, and they should NOT.

Wow. This is pretty over the top paranoia. Having the Guild Leader make a couple gold off your trade won't make ecto go up at all.

In any event, though, it's a bad idea. You'll have noobs everywhere wanting to start a guild so they can make money, without realizing how much it costs to actually start the guild. Then you'll have money-hungry guild leaders who yell and scream at their members if they use merchant npcs in a town or outpost.

Terrible idea.

SpotJorge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

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11 Jul 2008 at 16:40 - 43

this thread is gona take good score on end of year when whe vote for the most crap post in Sardelac sanitarium

but anyway if the owner of this thread wana come to my guild and give me 10% each time he use the NPCs np by me

Solas

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11 Jul 2008 at 17:14 - 44

25-50%...So for evey 2-4 members that buy an item you get a free one?
its grand the way it is,
A guild isn't a buisness investment

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

11 Jul 2008 at 17:25 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehlemming

Is money really hard to get? seriously.

I <3 lemming. And I agree with him.

MithranArkanere

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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11 Jul 2008 at 18:12 - 46

No. NEVER.

No one would buy anything from there if they had any ind of tax increasing the price.

On top of that: Lockpick. 1500 gold. 325..750 for the guild leader for each purchase.

Are you joking?

No, no, no, NEVER.

One different thing would be to allow people enter Merchants in captured Luxon/Kurzick outposts and have a 5% tax there.

But Guild Halls? Ha-ha! No.

Dr.Jones

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2008

11 Jul 2008 at 19:15 - 47

they only way i would like to see this implemented is that the profit goes to getting more npcs for your hall ie ones you dont have.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

12 Jul 2008 at 12:55 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

You guys are taking this topic way out of hand. You are just talking about a Weapon Smith and Merchant. How about grinding to buy every npc including the 100k ones.

I put my time and gold nurturing a very good guild with a fully loaded hall. There should be a reward and commission. Making gold these days isn't easy anymore and this is a nice way to to go on about it, period.

You (pick one):

Are the greediest person to ever walk the earth
Have an IQ less than your shoe size
Are the most subtle troll to ever post on these forums

oliverrr1989

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

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12 Jul 2008 at 14:02 - 49

Um no offence but this idea sucks. That's like paying your Guild Leader tax to use the guild hall.

jiggles

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12 Jul 2008 at 14:22 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliverrr1989

Um no offence but this idea sucks. That's like paying your Guild Leader tax to use the guild hall.

did you even read the topic?

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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12 Jul 2008 at 15:59 - 51

lol... no. Who even buys crap from merchants anymore, aside from id kits and salv kits. Nobody pays full price for picks, keys, booze, or whatever.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

12 Jul 2008 at 16:18 - 52

Your's truly is the fanta-fabulous GL of JUNK!
The only reason why they gave me this honor is because all the other guys are lesbians at heart - and they couldn't create a good looking cape if their life depended on it.
I didn't buy a single merch.

Can you see where I am going with this?
I'll just say no to this.

Phantom Flux

Banned

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New York City

Phantom Flux (FLUX)

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12 Jul 2008 at 17:07 - 53

or maybe players envy the idea of another player making more gold than him?

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

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New Zealand

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12 Jul 2008 at 17:17 - 54

Nope.

The Guild mechanic is to open to change and/or abuse for this to ever work.

Phantom Flux

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Phantom Flux (FLUX)

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12 Jul 2008 at 17:44 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

You (pick one):

Are the greediest person to ever walk the earth
Have an IQ less than your shoe size
Are the most subtle troll to ever post on these forums

Wow, I sense potential jealousy if this does happen. NO one is telling players to pay guild leader anything. And most of you are actually exagerrating the idea than for what it really is.

Player goes to guild hall, decides to purchase and ecto for 3.900k the npcs automatically give a 10% cut. Nothing major about it. Most guild leaders get the full halls just to attract more members anyway.

Hannes

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12 Jul 2008 at 17:54 - 56

erm... No.

This is GuildWars, not Sim Government.

Phantom Flux

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Phantom Flux (FLUX)

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12 Jul 2008 at 19:36 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hannes

erm... No.

This is GuildWars, not Sim Government.

Well Guild Wars has already been playing as a Govenment.

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

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Me/Mo

13 Jul 2008 at 03:59 - 58

ummm, no...just no... Seriously why? I'd like an explanation as to why this would be an important feature. Please, saying you want it isn't enough. Why should a Guild Leader earn money this way?

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

13 Jul 2008 at 09:13 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Wow, I sense potential jealousy if this does happen. NO one is telling players to pay guild leader anything. And most of you are actually exagerrating the idea than for what it really is.

Player goes to guild hall, decides to purchase and ecto for 3.900k the npcs automatically give a 10% cut. Nothing major about it. Most guild leaders get the full halls just to attract more members anyway.

You really should join a different guild then. If your guild isnt sociable enough to help you without you even having to ask for a collection, then you are either doing it really wrong or have greedy players in your guild (everyone on the roster it seems).

Whos to say that every single GL of every single guild has bought the NPCs themselves. Any member is able to buy the NPCs. The only thing only a GL can do is change the hall and the cape.

Now, lets take your shiny example see how it really ends up as?

we have a guild of 5 players;

GL
Officer1
Officer2
Member1
Member 2

GL pays;
100K for Merchant
20K for Rare Mat trader
0K for Reg. Mat trader (but buys it at the Guild Lord as hes keeping the collection)

Officer1 pays;
0K for the Merchant
20K for the Rare Mat trader (pays for it as hes holding the collection)
50K for the Reg Mat trader

Officer2 pays;
0K for Merchant
20K for the Rare Mat trader
50K for the Reg Mat trader

Member1 Pays;
0K for Merchant
20K for the Rare Mat Trader
0K for the Reg Mat trader

Member2 pays;
0K for Merchant
20K for the Rare Mat Trader
0K for the Reg Mat trader

Now, after reading that (you may use your finger to follow the letters if you want to keep track of them). Who is entitled to these commissions from each trader?

Tosha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

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13 Jul 2008 at 09:24 - 60

MAYBE when the commission you mentioned didnt go directly to the leader, but to a sort of "guild bank account" which can be used for buying other NPCs ONLY, then MAYBE I would say yes.

But your idea like it is now.... No. Just no.

Fuzzie

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Mo/

13 Jul 2008 at 09:44 - 61

This thread gave me a good laugh

/notsigned

mage767

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13 Jul 2008 at 09:55 - 62

I think guil leaders should not earn any commission at all.

Rather:

1. There should be a Guild treasury.
2. The treasury gets 5% of all the sales made by NPCs at a Guild Hall.
3. Sales occur when members SELL (not BUY) items or services at a guild hall.
4. The guild leader or officers CANNOT use the money collected by treasury for personal use.
5. The money can only be used to buy additional NPCs or more guild halls, or used for party items.
6. Party items will benefit everyone present at a guild hall.
7. Only the guild leader can determine when and how the money is spent.

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

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13 Jul 2008 at 11:01 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

1. There should be a Guild treasury.
2. The treasury gets 5% of all the sales made by NPCs at a Guild Hall.
3. Sales occur when members SELL (not BUY) items or services at a guild hall.
4. The guild leader or officers CANNOT use the money collected by treasury for personal use.
5. The money can only be used to buy additional NPCs or more guild halls, or used for party items.
6. Party items will benefit everyone present at a guild hall.
7. Only the guild leader can determine when and how the money is spent.

Something more simple. A treasury that gets 5% of the sales at NPC's, such as the crappy whites you sell to your merchant, he makes profit. Guild leaders and officers (don't put people you don't trust as an officer, duh.) can spend the money on guild related things. If all NPC's are bought, for example, it just tends to build up. Until the guild leader decides to buy a new guild hall or cape. It'd be great to have people moan and go "I want the three million gold our treasury has."

I'd buy thousands of capes. For the hell of it.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

13 Jul 2008 at 13:38 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Wow, I sense potential jealousy if this does happen. NO one is telling players to pay guild leader anything. And most of you are actually exagerrating the idea than for what it really is.

Player goes to guild hall, decides to purchase and ecto for 3.900k the npcs automatically give a 10% cut. Nothing major about it. Most guild leaders get the full halls just to attract more members anyway.

Jealousy? I'm a guild leader. Have been for about three years. There is NO way I would except this. I GIVE stuff away to any guild or alliance member that needs it. How is there any jealousy in that?

Also, your OP suggests 50 to 25% cut. Now, because of negative responses, you are reducing it to 10%?

Our guild got all the NPC's because we (all the guild members) wanted to. We all chipped in. The hall belongs to the members, not me. For that matter the guild belongs to all the members. It is not MY guild.

I think you are a very selfish, greedy person that needs to rethink the concept of playing games with friends.

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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23 Jul 2009 at 17:43 - 65

wow /notsigned

imho dumb idea - the guild leader may not even be the person who paid to put the merchant in the hall

if you want discounted crap go win a town

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

23 Jul 2009 at 18:24 - 66

No way. If you don't care about the guild enough to pay for those, then it should show.

Edit.
Ugh, I looked at the month of the tread, but not the year.
Eff.

Haxor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

Legion of the Feng Huang [ASH]

23 Jul 2009 at 18:32 - 67

Initial costs:
100g: Guild Creation
100g: Invite account B
100k: Rare material trader
10k: Celestial Sigil

Total setup cost: 110,200g

Buy price per ecto: 4.5k
Sell price per ecto: 3.6k

25% of each purchase goes to guild leader (account A) - 1,125g/ecto

Slow person: 2 seconds per ecto to buy, 15 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~45 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 45 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 15 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~45 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 1 minute, 45 seconds (105sec) for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~34 (3,600/105) x 3.95k = ~134.3k

Regular person: 1.5 seconds per ecto to buy, 10 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every 1.5 seconds - takes ~33 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 33 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 10 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~33 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 1 minute, 16 seconds (76sec) for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~47 (3,600/76) x 3.95k = ~185.6k

Fast person: 1 second per ecto to buy, 5 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every second - takes 22 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 22 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 5 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every second - takes 22 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 49 seconds for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~73 (3,600/49) x 3.95k = ~288.3k

No more farming. Sign me up.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

23 Jul 2009 at 18:40 - 68

Nah, because then the Communist Trader (TM) runs out of ecto. Figure that everybody smart runs the math and starts doing this.

So what happens is like the day that the traders got reset back in '05: trader runs out and there are lines of people waiting to collect the free money from each transaction. Basically, every guild hall looks like a Leningrad bread line for a week.

Eventually, ecto hits a point where the spread is 25% or greater and we get a new price floor for ecto. (I think there's one that's 11k sell/8k buy. I KNOW there's a 5500/3800 one, but it seems to be fragile.)

The Savage I

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Houston

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23 Jul 2009 at 19:20 - 69

not signed, bad quality

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

23 Jul 2009 at 20:03 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Your's truly is the fanta-fabulous GL of JUNK!
The only reason why they gave me this honor is because all the other guys are lesbians at heart - and they couldn't create a good looking cape if their life depended on it.
I didn't buy a single merch.

Can you see where I am going with this?
I'll just say no to this.

Jeez!
Look at my crappy spelling skills a year ago.
I spellt "yes" with the letters "no".

WTF girlfriend, WTH!??!??!

Haxor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

Legion of the Feng Huang [ASH]

23 Jul 2009 at 20:28 - 71

Y'know, I didn't even notice this was from '08. Damn.

lilDeath

Krytan Explorer

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Treehouse #1

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23 Jul 2009 at 21:30 - 72

What's with all the thread rezzing lately?

omf... no no no

/HELL NO NOT SIGNED

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 Jul 2009 at 23:15 - 73

This idea is terribad and the thread should be closed.

There are FAR better things that could be done to improve the guilds and guildhalls but this thread doesn't deserve to have them posted in it.

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Jul 2009 at 00:03 - 74

NOOOOO.

The economic reasons have already been explained, but also because it would reduce outpost population since people would always go to guild halls instead of anywhere else to use merchants.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

24 Jul 2009 at 00:07 - 75

As a guild leader, I can safely say that (after a year's worth of careful consideration) there have been many dumb suggestions, but very few have been as bad as this one.

Short

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

Protectors of Fate [GoF]

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24 Jul 2009 at 14:07 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Jealousy? I'm a guild leader. Have been for about three years. There is NO way I would except this. I GIVE stuff away to any guild or alliance member that needs it. How is there any jealousy in that?

Also, your OP suggests 50 to 25% cut. Now, because of negative responses, you are reducing it to 10%?

Our guild got all the NPC's because we (all the guild members) wanted to. We all chipped in. The hall belongs to the members, not me. For that matter the guild belongs to all the members. It is not MY guild.

I think you are a very selfish, greedy person that needs to rethink the concept of playing games with friends.

This. I mean, seriously, quite obviously just an idea for you to get more money from your guildies merching.

Awex Mafyews

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Cornwall

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24 Jul 2009 at 15:02 - 77

If anything it should be the person who bought the NPC that gets a small cut of the money
but tbh its a bad idea all around.

/notsigned

Need More Donuts

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25 Jul 2009 at 02:38 - 78

Sounds kind of like taxes and no one likes taxes.....
Besides players would likely avoid using there-said merchants if they knew where their money was going

Div

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Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

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25 Jul 2009 at 02:42 - 79

87.3% of guild hall NPCs are bought by someone other than the guild leader.
58.2% of guild hall NPCs are bought by someone who is no longer in the guild anymore.
Only 0.42% of guild leaders buy all the guild hall NPCs.

So tell me why should guild leaders be the ones that get commission?

P.S. 63.5% of statistics is made up on the spot, but you get the point.

Arghore

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

Tyria, Catacomb dweller..

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25 Jul 2009 at 18:57 - 80

Gives CrazyBanshee a reward for resurrecting this silly thread after a year, reading through it made me rofl lol and lmao though

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