To all of you who lack brain cells:
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Assassin becoming the new Paragon?
Lady Raenef
"Assassins are becoming the new Paragons" mean that Assassins have become the new dummy for the nerf bat.
Quoted for truth. kthxbai.
Made this easier for everyone so there's less QQ.
I'm complaining about the aftercast on shadowstepping. Poof + Cripple = out of the question? Why not take advantage of Critical Strikes for shadowstepping advantages, keeping the disadvantages to other professions. Shadowstepping is part of the assassin, it's like taking the nipple of a breast away from the baby. People tend to cry.
Mental note before edit: I'm not deleting my sin. That's mutiny.
Made this easier for everyone so there's less QQ.
I'm complaining about the aftercast on shadowstepping. Poof + Cripple = out of the question? Why not take advantage of Critical Strikes for shadowstepping advantages, keeping the disadvantages to other professions. Shadowstepping is part of the assassin, it's like taking the nipple of a breast away from the baby. People tend to cry.
Mental note before edit: I'm not deleting my sin. That's mutiny.
English Warrior
Shadowstep nerfs are drastic really they hurt the jumper warriors and thats it.
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
They keep repeatedly being nerfed through means of Shadow Form. I'm okay with destroying the UW farming, but now that skill is less effective at making money.
Now we have after casting to all the shadowsteps to make it harder to surprise people. Shall I delete my assassin now? They're basically going to be useless in a few more updates.
Your call
I'm keepin mine
Now we have after casting to all the shadowsteps to make it harder to surprise people. Shall I delete my assassin now? They're basically going to be useless in a few more updates.
Your callI'm keepin mine
sthpaw
New Paragon??
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless?
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless?
Stuart444
if you think assassins are useless, delete it
I love my assassin <3
I love my assassin <3
StormDragonZ
I never made an Assassin. For those people who made Assassins for the sole purpose of never using it except farming... well, I think you can put one and one together as to why the assassin skills are being... changed...
Other than that, I'm still waiting for the day they buff [skill]Beguiling Haze[/skill]to 10 energy just to see what people think of that.
Other than that, I'm still waiting for the day they buff [skill]Beguiling Haze[/skill]to 10 energy just to see what people think of that.
Arkantos
I think you mean paragons became the new assassin. Assassin's have been getting major nerfs since Factions.
Lady Raenef
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Originally Posted by sthpaw
New Paragon??
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless? They have their moments, but face it, a majority of the vote goes to: yes.
Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge.
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless? They have their moments, but face it, a majority of the vote goes to: yes.
Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge.
RavagerOfDreams
if warriors and eles were the ones abusing shadow stepping izzy coulda just put a r4critical strikes or 50% failure on all shadow steps
instead of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up sins once more
i'm down to moebius builds dark day indeed
instead of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up sins once more
i'm down to moebius builds dark day indeed
Dr.Jones
with each chappter release they have add things that have broken the game like Shadowsteping, scythe's and shouts, and weapon skills. theirs really no way of countering/removing these things and thus are broken.
Lady Raenef
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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones
with each chappter release they have add things that have broken the game like Shadowsteping, scythe's and shouts, and weapon skills. theirs really no way of countering/removing these things and thus are broken.
There are more people displeased than happy with several updates. Including the people using Shadow Form to their advantage before it was reduced to 50% less damage.
Esan
Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
I think you mean paragons became the new assassin. Assassin's have been getting major nerfs since Factions.
QFT.....
Anet is hating on Sins lately, last year they were ignored now they are under heavy Nerf attacks.
Anet is hating on Sins lately, last year they were ignored now they are under heavy Nerf attacks.
Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
As Arkanos pointed out, Assassins have been getting Nerfed since day 1 (for them), so Paragons became the new assassins, and now it is going back because they made an oversight.
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
if warriors and eles were the ones abusing shadow stepping izzy coulda just put a r4critical strikes or 50% failure on all shadow steps
instead of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up sins once more i'm down to moebius builds dark day indeed Sins are not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, they could have done what you said, although shadow steps are alligned with Shadow Arts/Deadly Arts, not Critical Strikes  . Also, my sin build has never been touched since the Way of Perfection buff (only 3 things have really been changed on my build, Wild Strike (buffed), Way of Perfection (buff), Shadow Refuge (buff then nerfed back to normal)), so not all sins builds are bad except Moebius .Also, if you really think sins are going to get nerfed to hell, then go ahead and delete your sin. They are only being nerfed to hell in terms of their farming builds. Regular builds are still viable, and hopefully always will be. You don't like the nerfs, find a way around them like I do (the few times I have to). I do find it funny how the builds I make are hardly touched.
RavagerOfDreams
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Sins are not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, they could have done what you said, although shadow steps are alligned with Shadow Arts/Deadly Arts, not Critical Strikes
. Also, my sin build has never been touched since the Way of Perfection buff (only 3 things have really been changed on my build, Wild Strike (buffed), Way of Perfection (buff), Shadow Refuge (buff then nerfed back to normal)), so not all sins builds are bad except Moebius .you speak of PvE which i care little about rayd
Assassin? What's that?
Never heard of them before
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge. |
The first suggestion puts shadow stepping back into the hands of assassins. Just like Avatars are solely owned by dervishes.
The second merely gives assassins the incentive to continue to use those skills.
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Originally Posted by Esan
Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.
I've suggested many times that the shadowstepping mechanic be changed so that at least when you're knocked down, shadowstepping is prevented. Meaning stance cancel while knocked down wouldn't teleport you anywhere.
MisterB
Your assertion that Paragons are bad or useless is incorrect.
[[Shadow Form] is not the only Assassin skill, nor does it define the profession. Shadow steps hurt tactical play and positioning, and many players, like me, don't appreciate that particular mechanic. Some sort of balance solution is needed.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Esan
Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.
could make all shadow steps easily interruptible. Instead of wand the trapper it would be wand the sin
toastgodsupreme
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
could make all shadow steps easily interruptible. Instead of wand the trapper it would be wand the sin
How do you interupt INSTANT?What they should've done with Factions and later campaigns was give mesmers some hexes that had a side effect of preventing shadowstepping while hexed with those certain hexes. Or give the ritualists a spirit that disables shadowstepping within it's range. Instead of being creative, Anet takes the lazy way out. Like always.
BlackSephir
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Assassin becoming the new Paragon?
Oh man, I wish. Assassins with killing capabilities equal prot capabilities of imbagon? lolwut
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Dr.Jones
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
There are more people displeased than happy with several updates. Including the people using Shadow Form to their advantage before it was reduced to 50% less damage.
what dose what i said have anything to do with people being disapointed with skill updates?
DarkNecrid
lol no.
Assassins aren't even as close as broken as paragons. ^^; R.Shayne
Had my sin since faction was released so I am not deleting it now.
For farming now the sin is just to slow compared to something like my 600 / Smite on things like vermin or fenrir cave. That means the only affective farm I have left for my sin is the Underworld. I hate farming the Underworld, boring skins, few rare drops, not inscribable weapons, and when I want to farm with the sin the UW is where I always end up. I am a little fustrated but I learned to role with it in the past 3 years. I did enjoy the 7 months they left my sin alone. I don't think sins are the new paragon because paragon are way more affective. Sins have two purpose now, farm the underworld and run other people places.
Stormlord Alex
Shadow stepping should die.
In a big nasty fire, full of AIDs and failed memes. I'm not sure how anyone with a clue could lament shadowsteps being killed (or, for that matter, 'sins and paras as well)
Lady Raenef
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Assassins aren't even as close as broken as paragons. ^^;
I know. I find it funny that people knack on the things I'm not actually starting the topic on. They're posting about the Paragon title (they suck, face it) and me saying I'll delete my assassin. I'm not deleting my ninja.
I'm saying that this aftercast for shadowstepping is a bit over the line for a nerf. Even now, I see people poofing to me, and I laugh to myself because I can still get away. They don't have time to shadowstep and cripple anymore. You can just slip past without care. I hate it! Shadowstepping should be more of an assassin thing and should be affected by Critical strikes.
Arkantos
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They have their moments, but face it, a majority of the vote goes to: yes.
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Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge.
Shadow stepping was a broken mechanic, and should have never been brought into the game. I'm happy they're finally doing something about them, after a couple of years.
FoxBat
Who shadow steps in PvE anyway? (Barring promise builds)
Ate of DK
Overpowered skills need to be fixed. Be it paragon, assassin or warrior.
It doesn't matter that some people love the skills in that case.
MisterB
Monsters, solo farmers, and runners use shadow steps in PvE, I guess. We need more time in PvE to press 1,2,3 in Ursan when they shadow step. /sarcasm
hybrid114
Overpowered on a another class maybe but on a sin? Not so much.
Not very assassin like if you see me running at you across the map.
Lady Raenef
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Not very assassin like if you see me running at you across the map.
"The Assassin walks the shadows, a deadly viper ready to strike at the heart when the enemy least expects it."
A quote from the Factions manual. It's not so surprising when I see the assassin stand there for about a second before reacting. I can understand limiting these to other classes, but why the assassin? They're supposed to have the element of surprise! Classy assassins didn't appear out of no where, stumble, then kill their target. 
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
"The Assassin walks the shadows, a deadly viper ready to strike at the heart when the enemy least expects it."
A quote from the Factions manual. It's not so surprising when I see the assassin stand there for about a second before reacting. I can understand limiting these to other classes, but why the assassin? They're supposed to have the element of surprise! Classy assassins didn't appear out of no where, stumble, then kill their target.
Shadowsteps minimize the powers of kiting, which is one of the few reasons why GW is a step above the rest of its competition: it emphasizes movement rather than keeping the enemy out of the game for obscene amounts of times with more snares/roots/etc than Mhenlo has sex partners.
Trub
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
etc than Mhenlo has sex partners.
 THAT'S baed!
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
"The Assassin walks the shadows, a deadly viper ready to strike at the heart when the enemy least expects it."
A quote from the Factions manual. It's not so surprising when I see the assassin stand there for about a second before reacting. I can understand limiting these to other classes, but why the assassin? They're supposed to have the element of surprise! Classy assassins didn't appear out of no where, stumble, then kill their target.
Gameplay is more important than what the manual says. ANet isn't going to say hey, we believe this needs a nerf, but since it's mentioned in the manual, we can't touch it.
UnChosen
The problem is that the shadow step is part of the assassin's defense. For warriors and dervishes its fine because they can keep chasing and can take hits. Sins can't afford to run everywhere chasing people because they can't take hits and they don't nearly have enough defensive skills compared to dervishes.
Lykan
Should have been -- Aftercast added .... with 4 or less Critical Strikes
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
Now we have after casting to all the shadowsteps to make it harder to surprise people. Shall I delete my assassin now?
go ahead. it should be a pvp character anyways if you were using shadow steps...
Shuuda
Shadow Stepping was bad for the game, and any half decent PvPer will tell you that. It is good that A-net nerfed them.
White Lies
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Shadow Stepping was bad for the game, and any half decent PvPer will tell you that.
PvP only nerf then?
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