War vs. Derv
GourangaPizza
I only reason I would choose dervish over my warrior would be [Watchful Intervention].
Age
I take my Warriors over my Dervish anytime as Warrior are non fictional and Dervishes are just fictional as well as what Rotten said.
fireflyry
This thread is very, very, silly.
Longasc
I prefer Axe Warrior for PvE. Zealous Axe and multiple AoE attacks really work out. Enchantment Maintenance and Enery Management of the Dervish and the slow attack speed always turn me off. Plus Cyclone Axe is real AoE, Scythe radius has been tuned down a lot and to two targets.
I also prefer Warriors for corner blockin due to innate higher armor and supporting skills. Dervishes can do this with conditions, the -X while foes suffering from condition enchantments and Balthazar's Avatar, but it is a bit clumsy and not that effective.
The warrior class also offers flexibility, you have a broad choice of weapons and can have much more playstyles than the dervish. I must also say I am turned off by Dervish forms and prefer Ebon Dust Aura or Wounding Strike, but this might be related to my general disgust of shape- and classchangers, like certain bear forms or Druids in other games.
I also prefer Warriors for corner blockin due to innate higher armor and supporting skills. Dervishes can do this with conditions, the -X while foes suffering from condition enchantments and Balthazar's Avatar, but it is a bit clumsy and not that effective.
The warrior class also offers flexibility, you have a broad choice of weapons and can have much more playstyles than the dervish. I must also say I am turned off by Dervish forms and prefer Ebon Dust Aura or Wounding Strike, but this might be related to my general disgust of shape- and classchangers, like certain bear forms or Druids in other games.
FF_Timmeh
both charakers are very versatile. you have to get this "sword/axe+shield belong to war" and "scythe belong to derv" out of your mind.
you can do war builds with spear or scythe as well.
with derv you coud do even a cryer ^^
i would prefer war cause i like male chars... and male dervs all have skirts :S
a big cons vs derv is, that the assassin or the ranger is a better derv than himselve cause his primary attribute just suxx. that would piss me off as derv.
you can do war builds with spear or scythe as well.
with derv you coud do even a cryer ^^
i would prefer war cause i like male chars... and male dervs all have skirts :S
a big cons vs derv is, that the assassin or the ranger is a better derv than himselve cause his primary attribute just suxx. that would piss me off as derv.
Sirius-NZ
Quite right; A/Ds have substantially more firepower when wielding a scythe because they can crit all the time. It is a slightly broken build, but I guess Ursan needs competition from something.
oliverrr1989
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Originally Posted by Age
http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm
Pay particular attention to the 'whirling' dance of the Mevlevi dervishes...see anything familiar? Both Warriors and Dervishes are real, though Anet have obviously changed both a bit to suit their style.
Accursed
Yep. Dervishes are as real in real life as a warrior is.
Mitchel
I preferred my War pre-EotN (with Ancient Armor, because I used to watch Gladiator at least once a month), then some screens about the AWESOMIFIC Monument Armor for Dervish was released and I dusted of my old Dervish. So yeah, prefer my Derv now, just because he looks more awesome.
lord of all tyria
lol im hittin u wif ma scythe
kazi_saki
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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish
http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm They're not wielding scythes! And nothing about enchantments! wtf h4xx0r!
Shiishii Momo
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Originally Posted by RotteN
wait, WHAT ?
So you're realy claiming a class with 3 possible weapons, 140 skills of which 36 elite skills is less versatile and has less build diversity than a class with "only" 1 weapon and "only" 85 skills ( "only" 15 elites).
Seriously, what have you been smoking ?
Just because everyone and their mother on these forums worships the so called "godmode" build doesn't mean it's the only decent warrior build.
I'll pick playing warrior over dervish any day.
Please understand, I did not start this thread as a "flamebait" as someone stated, I really do want the community thoughts presented on this. RotteN, I realize how many skills are in the game for both classes, but you can only have 8 on your bar when you leave a town or outpost. Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. I have a warrior that I only played for 6 months or so when i created him 32 months ago, and a Dervish that beat Nightfall in the first week it was released and hasn't been touched since, so I do have some experience playing these two classes. I just do not have the insight as to their playability after all this time, and all the skill adjustments and nerfs, that is why I came to the community to find out what other peoples thoughts were on the pro's and con's of each of the classes. I have a genuine interest in taking up a melee class again.
So you're realy claiming a class with 3 possible weapons, 140 skills of which 36 elite skills is less versatile and has less build diversity than a class with "only" 1 weapon and "only" 85 skills ( "only" 15 elites).
Seriously, what have you been smoking ?
Just because everyone and their mother on these forums worships the so called "godmode" build doesn't mean it's the only decent warrior build.
I'll pick playing warrior over dervish any day.
Please understand, I did not start this thread as a "flamebait" as someone stated, I really do want the community thoughts presented on this. RotteN, I realize how many skills are in the game for both classes, but you can only have 8 on your bar when you leave a town or outpost. Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. I have a warrior that I only played for 6 months or so when i created him 32 months ago, and a Dervish that beat Nightfall in the first week it was released and hasn't been touched since, so I do have some experience playing these two classes. I just do not have the insight as to their playability after all this time, and all the skill adjustments and nerfs, that is why I came to the community to find out what other peoples thoughts were on the pro's and con's of each of the classes. I have a genuine interest in taking up a melee class again.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo
Please understand, I did not start this thread as a "flamebait" as someone stated, I really do want the community thoughts presented on this. RotteN, I realize how many skills are in the game for both classes, but you can only have 8 on your bar when you leave a town or outpost. Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. I have a warrior that I only played for 6 months or so when i created him 32 months ago, and a Dervish that beat Nightfall in the first week it was released and hasn't been touched since, so I do have some experience playing these two classes. I just do not have the insight as to their playability after all this time, and all the skill adjustments and nerfs, that is why I came to the community to find out what other peoples thoughts were on the pro's and con's of each of the classes. I have a genuine interest in taking up a melee class again.
one: no, they aren't. only a handful of warrior skills are duplicates, so your point is lost there.
two: "Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. - no, because it does when i does.
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Typical and ignorant. The "zomg its a man in a dress" argument isn't an argument, its an excuse for not being comfortable with your sexual preference imo. In addition, your narrow-mindedness is appauling. If anet hadn't introduced new classes, much fewer people would be playing today, and we'd have even less diversity than there is now (and anet would be worse off).
Derv's own in the general dps department, whereas warriors can place a KD in a critical position or offer an adren spike."
garbage post. i love the paragon, and they wear skirts, but i think the dervish in both GWs and real life, look retarded and lame, especially when anet tries to make the "ooo coool" with some lumbering scythe gimmick, and a hood. thats called an opinion, not "sexual preference".
as for the DPS argument, again, dervs ONLY beat warriors with TWO SPECIFIC builds. AoL, and VoS, and VoS is disputable thanks to all the stopping you'll be doing casting your garbage while we warriors actually take care of the business. WS is great, and probably the best thing Dervs can offer in pve, and the ONLY thing worth talking about in pvp... but is soon to be nerfed into oblivion.. so cross your fingers they let you derv fanboys keep it in pve.
two: "Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. - no, because it does when i does.
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Typical and ignorant. The "zomg its a man in a dress" argument isn't an argument, its an excuse for not being comfortable with your sexual preference imo. In addition, your narrow-mindedness is appauling. If anet hadn't introduced new classes, much fewer people would be playing today, and we'd have even less diversity than there is now (and anet would be worse off).
Derv's own in the general dps department, whereas warriors can place a KD in a critical position or offer an adren spike."
garbage post. i love the paragon, and they wear skirts, but i think the dervish in both GWs and real life, look retarded and lame, especially when anet tries to make the "ooo coool" with some lumbering scythe gimmick, and a hood. thats called an opinion, not "sexual preference".
as for the DPS argument, again, dervs ONLY beat warriors with TWO SPECIFIC builds. AoL, and VoS, and VoS is disputable thanks to all the stopping you'll be doing casting your garbage while we warriors actually take care of the business. WS is great, and probably the best thing Dervs can offer in pve, and the ONLY thing worth talking about in pvp... but is soon to be nerfed into oblivion.. so cross your fingers they let you derv fanboys keep it in pve.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
This thread is full of ignorance; it's slightly amazing how little both 'sides' know about the other class.
RotteN's point at Shishi was good, but most of the other posts here are terrible. Everyone here is saying that warriors have less versatility and that Dervishes are all based around self-healing.
Last time I checked warriors have amazing versatility and Dervishes annihilate shit in PvE, but, carry on.
Magikarp, you obviously do not play PvP
Pleikki
Warrior, Dervish is worst profession in gw
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
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Magikarp, you obviously do not play PvP please elaborate your incessant flaming?
as for the rest of your post, i agree that the "sides" in this "debate" are proving the gwg ignorance, and while i can admit my participation in this dumbed-down thread, i never once said the dervish was bad, but that it wasn't my play-style, and that i prefer the warrior. i also defended the warrior from things like you said about the bashing of its versatility etc, so don't clump us all together, because not everyone just says "derrr dervs r guud" or "duh, warz cuz they from core 6 holy trinity".
Magikarp, you obviously do not play PvP please elaborate your incessant flaming?
as for the rest of your post, i agree that the "sides" in this "debate" are proving the gwg ignorance, and while i can admit my participation in this dumbed-down thread, i never once said the dervish was bad, but that it wasn't my play-style, and that i prefer the warrior. i also defended the warrior from things like you said about the bashing of its versatility etc, so don't clump us all together, because not everyone just says "derrr dervs r guud" or "duh, warz cuz they from core 6 holy trinity".
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
whereas warriors can place a KD in a critical position or offer an adren spike.
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(wounding strike) ONLY thing worth talking about in pvp... but is soon to be nerfed into oblivion..
Avatar of Melandru. That's what I was talking about Magikarp. If you must know, I prefer the warrior, but I personally find that they each have excellent merits, and are close in terms of viability.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Aura of Holy Might + avatar of blowshitup Avatar of Melandru. That's what I was talking about Magikarp. If you must know, I prefer the warrior, but I personally find that they each have excellent merits, and are close in terms of viability. i said "best thing" in pve, not only, as obviously AoHM+Lyssa is great, and i mentioned that it outdamages warriors, so whats your point? i personally think WS is better (while it remains un-nerfed). as for pvp, yes, Melandru still works wonders, but its nothing compared to WS right now, and if you can prove otherwise, i'll credit that as well. conjure stack and WS are practically unstoppable at this point, why waste your derv on Melan with FFeast in existence? try sticking to the points instead of flaming others? kthxbai.
Alvarez
I chose Warrior, myself. I've tried Dervish a number of times even though they are fun to use, I just have a greater time using my Warrior with her hammers. Knocking down enemies is just so fun!
Yes, I'm talking about PvE play and PvP.
Age
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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989
http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/ http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm Pay particular attention to the 'whirling' dance of the Mevlevi dervishes...see anything familiar? Both Warriors and Dervishes are real, though Anet have obviously changed both a bit to suit their style. Ok.There weren't that many who became Dervishes most became Warriors maybe becasue they were more wealthier and those that were Dervishes weren't so a sort of cheap Warrior.It is a lot like some of the classes in MTW.
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Age
Ok.There weren't that many who became Dervishes most became Warriors maybe becasue they were more wealthier and those that were Dervishes weren't so a sort of cheap Warrior.It is a lot like some of the classes in MTW.
From what I can make out of your post. You think that there was a split between those who became warriors and dervishes in history? And that those who became dervish were cheap? LOL
Ok, did you actually read those links? Dervish mystics are islamic holy people, who perform their spinning dances to seek divinity. Thus the tie to god forms in the game. Yes they are generally poor, not asking for handouts but living in poverty to escape the selfishness money brings. They are not fighters at all if you had even bothered to read those links. Warriors are found throughout history in various forms, and all societies have some sort. There is no split between the two, in the game and in real life. Both are completely different things.
Brian the Gladiator
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
Dervishes mainly consisted of this: avatar, mystic regeneration, vital boon.
If you really want to use a scythe, go R/D. Those pack damage to me, for some reason or another. I fear them more than an actual dervish. Dude... you are so bad. The reason why those R/D are scary is because they aren't using avatar, mystic regen, and vital boon... and still trying to do damage at the same time. The R/D bar has like, upwards of 5 attack skills coupled with 2 block stances for defense... A Wounding Strike + Conjure Derv or a Lyssa Derv can out damage a R/D any day... but you will sacrifice the defensive stances... My suggestion: stop using large amounts of Earth Prayers and Mysticism and start using Scythe Mastery.
evilseabass
Personally, I would choose to play a warrior just so I'm not limited to wearing dresses in combat...
Marverick
Derv for PvE because 100 DPS per target, up to 3 targets, owns everything
War for PvP because KD's own everything
makosi
Dervishes deal mad damage in PvE. I run Avatar of Melandru with Eternal Aura, Aura of Holy Might, Wearying Strike, Chilling Victory, Attacker's Insight and Zealous Sweep. It steamrolls anything.
DSlash is meh in comparison. Clarissa F
I like dervishes. They give my mesmer energy, and their big hits make them kill themselves easier.
In PvE, with God mode and Melandru/Lyssa/Dwayna, it depends on your personal style and taste. Play them both and make your own decision. Makosi: look up "godmode d/slasher" and compare that to the avatars. A lot closer than you think.
Lady Raenef
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Dude... you are so bad. The reason why those R/D are scary is because they aren't using avatar, mystic regen, and vital boon... the rest is mumbled garbage.
I simply said that most dervishes you see, have the same three skills. I also said, that a R/D is more to fear, because they pack more damage. Do I fear them? No. They're still crappy. Rangers should be using a bow, not a scythe.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef
I simply said that most dervishes you see, have the same three skills. I also said, that a R/D is more to fear, because they pack more damage. Do I fear them? No. They're still crappy. Rangers should be using a bow, not a scythe.
This post is /fail on so many levels.
Sirius-NZ
The downtime dervishes spend casting enchantments is negligible, for the record. Unfortunately DSlash has the little issue of what happens when FGJ wears off (which it does, even with enduring harmony) - in PvE, avatars basically don't.
faraaz
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
The downtime dervishes spend casting enchantments is negligible, for the record.
Disagree! My Canthan Vanquisher Dervish wasted all his time casting stuff while the things I actually wanted to kill proceeded to get bombed into smithereens by my Hero/Henches. It isnt crippling, by any means but it is also certainly NOT negligible. Also, having to recast everything every 20-25 seconds is a first class pain in the butt. I played my Dervish a lot (around 1000 hours, KoaBD r1 & r10 Asura, Norn & Delver) but to be honest, I hate my Dervish now...so much so that having to use enchants actively in a fight pisses me off. >.<
GourangaPizza
^I think you are using the wrong enchantments. The only enchantment I cast pre-battle is [Watchful Intervention], it saves my ass lots of times and preserve my survivor title. The other enchantments I used are often 3/4 cast PBAOE enchantments like [Aura of Holy Might] and [Heart of Fury].
I may not be correct on this one but dervish's and warrior's weaknesses compliments each other. Warrior shines in areas with anti-enchantments or e-denial, it flops pretty badly in adrenaline-denial places (e.g. Soothing Images X_X). Vice-versa applies to dervish.
NeHoMaR
Hey Shiishii Momo, I have the BEST tip for you: Play the one you enjoy MORE!
psykick5
this is an interesting thread. But come on everyone, warrior is better. who cares if u get raped in pvp by them? they have time to cast their enchants, no enchants, and that derv is down in a matter of seconds. Plus, he has saying that warriors have Low versatility/adaptability and a ???LEARNING CURVE??? When i was playing my derv, i couldnt figure out anything til i got to Kourna. Dervs are way harder to learn about and learn how to use than warriors. I get raped by dervishes in RA and TA with their forms all the time, but warrior is just better. not for just the sheer number of skills, but people, which armor looks cooler??? (warrior) Which prof has more skills?? (warrior) which doesnt cast pussy enchantments to win?? (warrior) which has been the tank of guildwars since 2005?? (warrior). Its an easy answer people. (warrior)
Tyla
Your reasoning is quite bad.
Tank 'n' Spank is bad. Enchantments can be quite strong, even if the Warrior doesn't depend on them. Armour is based on preference.
psykick5
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Your reasoning is quite bad.
Tank 'n' Spank is bad. Enchantments can be quite strong, even if the Warrior doesn't depend on them. Armour is based on preference. You can say the reasoning is bad, but myself and many other people just hate casting enchantments before the battle every single time. Of course ive used my derv to tackle situations my warrior coulnt handle, but the enchantments just get to you, always having to recast them. Plus only having a choice of dresses is not that great...
Snow Bunny
What are you all casting that takes so much time??????
You cast eternal aura, maybe aura of holy might, maybe heart of fury, and your avatar. I mean, really, you're not casting that often. It takes about 4-4.5 seconds to put everything up, assuming you're throwing all of that up. You should not be casting Mystic Regeneration, Vital Boon, or anything else of the sort. Everything on your bar should be geared towards annihilating pve. Tyla
OMIGOD I HAVE TO CAST ENCHANTMENTS EVERY 20 SECONDS!!!
It's not even that to be honest, Snow. With just Attacker's Insight and Heart of Fury it's a mere 1 second discounting aftercast.
joshuarodger
don't tell me you're forgetting AoHM tyla. in PvE, that is. that makes it almost 2 whole seconds altogether.
Marverick
You have what, 2 enchantments that need to be refreshed every 25-30 seconds?
Another enchantment and avatar that need to be refreshed every 70-80 seconds? Is that too much for you? Is that why you prefer to play warriors? That must be the reason why everyone plays warriors in this game... every time I go to form a group I get 3-4 wammos or wammes and it's so ridiculously annoying because warriors are so limited in their uses in PvE; in fact, they don't really have any uses that surpass other professions.
obsidian ectoplasm
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Originally Posted by makosi
Dervishes deal mad damage in PvE.
They do made damage in PVP as well.... |
