Interrupt Practice in Isle of Nameless
dilan155
well i was posting in another post about some tips for new mesmers in gvg, and this have been in my mind for sometime,ever since i started playing mesmer in pvp. How about we add a new NPC that assists new players in interrupting. This NPC will not have any profession or if you must he will be E/Me. This NPC will cast spells ranging from cast time of 5 second(meteor) to 1/4(power block). This will help new mesmers to learn to interrupt. The NPC will have randomized order so that people will not just anticipate when the spell will be casted. Anyone who just brings a ton of interrupts and/or just guess will not really learn to interupt and thus will only be harming themselves. Any comments?
Gift3d
Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe something like... a monk/elementalist that'd use skills like...
[reversal of fortune][healing touch][orison of healing][fire attunement][meteor]
Just so people could practice their interrupting on it.
[reversal of fortune][healing touch][orison of healing][fire attunement][meteor]
Just so people could practice their interrupting on it.
aotdsyndrome
/signed! I'd never thought of it, but us pvp rangers/mesmers dont have any area to practice interrupting on.
Squishy ftw
Actually there is a rather good interrupt practice npc out there. -> Master of healing. She has skills with 1/4, 3/4 and 1sec casting times. I practiced quite often on her with my ranger.
Oh, and she'll even kite and try to dodge your arrows.
EDIT: Oops, changed the 'min' to 'sec'
ty tyla.
Oh, and she'll even kite and try to dodge your arrows.
EDIT: Oops, changed the 'min' to 'sec'
ty tyla.
the Puppeteer
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Lightning
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Healing
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Enchantment
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Spirits
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Energy_Denial
lots of casters to interrupt there... don't be lazy
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Healing
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Enchantment
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Spirits
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Master_of_Energy_Denial
lots of casters to interrupt there... don't be lazy
Sai Rith
/signed. I would also like an Infuse practice as well.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
Actually there is a rather good interrupt practice npc out there. -> Master of healing. She has skills with 1/4, 3/4 and 1min casting times. I practiced quite often on her with my ranger.
Oh, and she'll even kite and try to dodge your arrows. |
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Okay, messing about aside I agree with this quote.
joshuarodger
/signed
but i also didn't think about the other casters.
so maybe /notsigned.
but i also didn't think about the other casters.
so maybe /notsigned.
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by dilan155
This will help new mesmers to learn to interrupt.
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Anyway, I hate having to ask people to let me practice interrupting Bsurges and stuff. This would be a great addition. Just having an NPC cast onto a dummy or something while you try to interrupt him. Great idea. Maybe go up to him and ask him what cast time of spell you want him to run (i.e. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, )
big /sign
RiKio
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Originally Posted by Kanyatta
Where's the love for Dshot???!?!?!! Rangers interrupt too.
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anyways, /signed.
Tearz1993
Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO would you practice interrupting 1/4 sec skills?
dilan155
^ to get good at it an there really is no need to swear
t00115577
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Originally Posted by Tearz1993
Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO would you practice interrupting 1/4 sec skills?
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by dilan155
^ to get good at it an there really is no need to swear
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The only way you're going to interrupt a .25 cast is through prediction and alot of luck against a player, and in PvE you jusy need the knowledge of it's AI and how it uses it's skills.
Faer
Guest me for GvG with TAM when I get moved, Tyla. I'll show you hexwayers how a real Ranger stops spells. Brag brag brag boast boast boast laugh laugh laugh etcetera etcetera etcetera. More to the topic at hand though...
No such thing as random order for NPCs in GW. There will always be a predictable pattern. Which, in a way, is a good thing, because you shouldn't try learning to interrupt on reflex, but rather based on prediction. You need to learn the patterns that the other team is following to really be effective. And on that note, having an NPC sitting around with a "random" order of casting for a list of spells with varying lengths is just about entirely useless for any real interrupting practice or training. Unless you just want to PvE, but in that case, you can just go practice in RA where the players are as retarded as the AI.
HURR WHAT DOES "STRAFE" MEAN?! IS THAT A FOREIGN PASTRY???
No such thing as random order for NPCs in GW. There will always be a predictable pattern. Which, in a way, is a good thing, because you shouldn't try learning to interrupt on reflex, but rather based on prediction. You need to learn the patterns that the other team is following to really be effective. And on that note, having an NPC sitting around with a "random" order of casting for a list of spells with varying lengths is just about entirely useless for any real interrupting practice or training. Unless you just want to PvE, but in that case, you can just go practice in RA where the players are as retarded as the AI.
HURR WHAT DOES "STRAFE" MEAN?! IS THAT A FOREIGN PASTRY???
Kanyatta
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Originally Posted by Tearz1993
Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO would you practice interrupting 1/4 sec skills?
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Winterclaw
Ideally there should be a few NPCs there that run common builds found in GvG or HA for someone to learn to practice against.
cgruber
I can PD 1/4th sec casts about 60% of the time, but the problem with that is you don't really have the chance to evaluate whether you really want to waste a shot on it or not. In practice I tend to diversion/shame a RoF spammer.
lemming
This thread sucks.
Div
Guest me over Faer. I'm a stronger ranger than him. I've hit patient 3 times in a row with my d-shot, prompting the opposing monk to get really pissed off and start QQing.
The only problem is you normally don't spam interrupts on a mesmer like you do on a ranger. The playstyle is completely different. And unless he has a hammer warrior to help practice quarterinterrupts, there's no point :P
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Originally Posted by Kanyatta
I've d-shotted many d-shots in my time. It's not something you can twitch, but its definitely possible through prediction and a lot of luck. I've also pleaked more than my fair share of infuses (back when pleak was good).
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Faer
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I'm a stronger ranger than him.
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Div
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Originally Posted by Faer
Say that to my face next week when I have a level 99 Bowazon and you are staring at a thousand CTC Bone Spears with Pierce and Pen going through your brain, punk.
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Murmel
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
This thread sucks.
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Anyway, /Signed
I'm a real lame interupter and could use some practice
vandevere
Signed.
I would Like to learn how to interrupt with my Ranger.
I would Like to learn how to interrupt with my Ranger.
MithranArkanere
How many attributes are there?
Maybe they could make one for each non-primary attribute.
Maybe they could make one for each non-primary attribute.
Tearz1993
/notsigned because the Master of Healing already has 1/4, 3/4, and 1 sec cast time spells (you really shouldn't need to practice interrupting 3 second cast time spells). Time should be spent on fixing actual problems instead of making something like this.
uzumaki
Anyone who says they can interrupt a 1/4 cast on purpose is lying... you can anticipate an interrupt on one but you definetly can't reflex interrupt one.
Even with 1 ping and 16 fast cast (sup runes sux) you can't do it. Interrupt practice in isles is a good idea and 1/4 spells should be included to fake you out, its great practice to refrain from wasting your interrupts on 1/4's k.
Master of healing is good for practicing interrupts on a degen ranger but takes a bit more work with a mesmer you have to gradually get her hp down and keep P&H stripped, i go with 2 enchant removes glyph of renewal power spike + more interrupts to fill my bar, keep her from recasting P&H she'l eventually cast her 1 and 3/4 second spells when her hp gets low enough.
Even with 1 ping and 16 fast cast (sup runes sux) you can't do it. Interrupt practice in isles is a good idea and 1/4 spells should be included to fake you out, its great practice to refrain from wasting your interrupts on 1/4's k.
Master of healing is good for practicing interrupts on a degen ranger but takes a bit more work with a mesmer you have to gradually get her hp down and keep P&H stripped, i go with 2 enchant removes glyph of renewal power spike + more interrupts to fill my bar, keep her from recasting P&H she'l eventually cast her 1 and 3/4 second spells when her hp gets low enough.
dilan155
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Originally Posted by Tearz1993
/notsigned because the Master of Healing already has 1/4, 3/4, and 1 sec cast time spells (you really shouldn't need to practice interrupting 3 second cast time spells). Time should be spent on fixing actual problems instead of making something like this.
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Originally Posted by uzumaki
Master of healing is good for practicing interrupts on a degen ranger but takes a bit more work with a mesmer you have to gradually get her hp down and keep P&H stripped, i go with 2 enchant removes glyph of renewal power spike + more interrupts to fill my bar, keep her from recasting P&H she'l eventually cast her 1 and 3/4 second spells when her hp gets low enough.
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bhavv
It doesnt matter how much you try to practise Interupting 1/4 sec spells with your ranger, you will never be able to D shot my Patient Spirit or RoF because I always cast them in between your attacks.
A monk can outsmart the smartest Interupt ranger any time.
I dont sign this though because both the Master of Lightning and Master of Spirits make great Interupt targets, so this idea already exists.
Keep practising untill you can stay on top of an elly with both blinding surge and blinding flash, and then you are a pro Interupter.
I never even knew about these two NPCs untill now.
A monk can outsmart the smartest Interupt ranger any time.
I dont sign this though because both the Master of Lightning and Master of Spirits make great Interupt targets, so this idea already exists.
Keep practising untill you can stay on top of an elly with both blinding surge and blinding flash, and then you are a pro Interupter.
I never even knew about these two NPCs untill now.
Tearz1993
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Originally Posted by dilan155
how many of theses actual problems have they fixed right recently? besides more than 3/4 of the posts in this section of the forum would fall into this category of things that should be fixed after they fix the major stuff, then whats the point of posting in this part of the forum?
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by Faer
Guest me for GvG with TAM when I get moved, Tyla. I'll show you hexwayers how a real Ranger stops spells.
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Guest me over Faer. I'm a stronger ranger than him.
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At Faer's on-topic post:
Fair point indeed. Don't forget AB, where you can face more than 4 AI... I mean players! Win / Win.
Orange Milk
Yup, I RA for practice.
I take the build I would be running in GvG so health/energy are the same and Interupt away and not give a shit if I win or loose, simply practice.
Agreed, tis pure luck.
I've DShoted Patients and RoFs and Foul Feasts, but all by luck simply anticipating the fact they were going to cast something. But I've missed ALOT more "anticipated" shots than I've hit, tons more misses.
ROFL, do you really expect people to believe that? Honestly if you are that lucky go buy a stack of lottery tickets, then buy some friends that will not only listen to you spout BS but who will believe it too.
I take the build I would be running in GvG so health/energy are the same and Interupt away and not give a shit if I win or loose, simply practice.
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I've DShoted Patients and RoFs and Foul Feasts, but all by luck simply anticipating the fact they were going to cast something. But I've missed ALOT more "anticipated" shots than I've hit, tons more misses.
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Sai Rith
Infuse trainer is more need IMO.
Divine Xan
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
Agreed, tis pure luck.
I've DShoted Patients and RoFs and Foul Feasts, but all by luck simply anticipating the fact they were going to cast something. But I've missed ALOT more "anticipated" shots than I've hit, tons more misses. |
Risus
Practicing interrupting on NPC's is a MISTAKE. I find interrupting to be 90% predicting and 10% reflexes. Player heals come at different times than NPC heals. Practice = study when players tend to heal (what % hp). The trick to interrupting is STUDYING every opponent. If its an ele, look and see if they tend to chain 1 spell after another. That is the easiest to interrupt. If its a monk, look and see when they want to heal themself. Find their comfort zone and exploit it. The moment they are out of it, give em a D-Shot. Follow up with a Savage Shot.
Mesmers are slightly different because the 1/4 casting and no time waiting for the arrow to hit. Mesmers are more 50/50 with predicting and reflexes.
Mesmers are slightly different because the 1/4 casting and no time waiting for the arrow to hit. Mesmers are more 50/50 with predicting and reflexes.
Orange Milk
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Re-read my post, even re-read what you quoted of mine, focus on the word "Anticipation" I'll often fire off an interupt when I know some one is at the point where they basically HAVE to cast a spell or continue their chain. The fact that I catch a 1/4 sec cast doing that is pure luck, I'm simply anticipating a skill to be cast, I don't KNOW for certain that RoF is to be cast and inerupting that on purpose and i am most certainly not seeing RoF get cast THEN interupting that.
KD quaterknocking is different, it works along the lines of stopping your movement so a Bull's Strike fails, if someone is casting while on the ground it takes longer to cast than a 1/4 sec and you CAN see that coming and time your next KD properly.
Divine Xan
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
You read, but you did not comprehend
Re-read my post, even re-read what you quoted of mine, focus on the word "Anticipation" I'll often fire off an interupt when I know some one is at the point where they basically HAVE to cast a spell or continue their chain. The fact that I catch a 1/4 sec cast doing that is pure luck, I'm simply anticipating a skill to be cast, I don't KNOW for certain that RoF is to be cast and inerupting that on purpose and i am most certainly not seeing RoF get cast THEN interupting that. KD quaterknocking is different, it works along the lines of stopping your movement so a Bull's Strike fails, if someone is casting while on the ground it takes longer to cast than a 1/4 sec and you CAN see that coming and time your next KD properly. |
Im talking about that as not being luck just randomly using the skill but thinking they will cast from kd so using an interuppt in anticipation, that is not just luck of using one when they are kded, but thinking they will try to use a skill (so basically im disagreeing with anticipation = luck)
and for a small comment I make on a whim thats pretty funny.
Tearz1993
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Originally Posted by Risus
Practicing interrupting on NPC's is a MISTAKE. I find interrupting to be 90% predicting and 10% reflexes. Player heals come at different times than NPC heals. Practice = study when players tend to heal (what % hp). The trick to interrupting is STUDYING every opponent. If its an ele, look and see if they tend to chain 1 spell after another. That is the easiest to interrupt. If its a monk, look and see when they want to heal themself. Find their comfort zone and exploit it. The moment they are out of it, give em a D-Shot. Follow up with a Savage Shot.
Mesmers are slightly different because the 1/4 casting and no time waiting for the arrow to hit. Mesmers are more 50/50 with predicting and reflexes. |
t00115577
A good mesmer could hit a 1/4 sec cast on purpose, ranger no chance.
http://www.happyhub.com/network/reflex/
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Reflex Test, youd be surprised how many times you hit less than .250
http://www.happyhub.com/network/reflex/
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Reflex Test, youd be surprised how many times you hit less than .250
MithranArkanere
My time is always around 300. Now add milliseconds of lag to that.