http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...eloper_updates
[Dev Update] Tournament Reward Tweaks - 23 July 2008
To reduce the number of guilds who join tournaments and don’t play, we have changed Tournament Reward Point distribution for Daily Automated Tournaments. We introduced Reward Points for playing through the whole tournament to encourage more guilds to play through the entire tournament, but many guilds have abused the system by joining tournaments and not playing at all. Instead of banning anyone involved, we have added a restriction on gaining reward points from Daily Automated Tournaments: A guild must be at least rank 1000 to receive Reward Points. This does not stop a guild from joining a tournament. We will be evaluating this update and make changes if necessary.
All I have to say is "about time" for the AFK Zaishen farmers...
Change to Tournament Reward Points Coming!
Jetdoc
Murmel
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Originally Posted by Jetdoc
All I have to say is "about time" for the AFK Zaishen farmers... |
Another Felldspar
It looks like it would stop unranked AFK farmers, but that's all. And it makes it so that guilds without rank can't play, not AFK but play, and get rewards while they learn.
Orange Milk
Ohno'es for the [Oi] alliance, whatever shall they do now?
I'm assuming the 3 Rp's per win stands no matter what your rank. So your AFK beats the other AFk and your get 3 RP's, it happens, but less AFKer's will join now so AFk vs AFK battle wil have less chance of happening.
I still see a small issue though, that the [Oi] folks can exploit with ease.
Curently it takes like 1003 or so rating to get rank 1000. So simply enough you sync your AFK guilds, get a win or two and enter a tourny. The good news to that is that the CURRENT AFK guilds are screwed because their rating is VERY low right now, so they would need to create entirly new guilds, then wait 14 days, so yeah more trouble than it's worth maybe.
I'm assuming the 3 Rp's per win stands no matter what your rank. So your AFK beats the other AFk and your get 3 RP's, it happens, but less AFKer's will join now so AFk vs AFK battle wil have less chance of happening.
I still see a small issue though, that the [Oi] folks can exploit with ease.
Curently it takes like 1003 or so rating to get rank 1000. So simply enough you sync your AFK guilds, get a win or two and enter a tourny. The good news to that is that the CURRENT AFK guilds are screwed because their rating is VERY low right now, so they would need to create entirly new guilds, then wait 14 days, so yeah more trouble than it's worth maybe.
Dr.Jones
this will change nothing. they also didnt address the issue that only the people who play in the first Tournament are the only people who get points.
Free Sigils
Plus it takes 4 wins to get on the ladder these days. Lol.
But its a start.
But its a start.
lemming
Before everyone complains about how much this is going to kill lower-end participation in the ladder, talk to Tolkano and see how many legitimate guilds under r1k there are ATing.
cosyfiep
do the devs (and regina) post here any more????? or are we going to be forced to just go to their sites instead......
anyways, its nice they are doing SOMETHING......
anyways, its nice they are doing SOMETHING......
Snow Bunny
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Before everyone complains about how much this is going to kill lower-end participation in the ladder, talk to Tolkano and see how many legitimate guilds under r1k there are ATing.
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My only concern with this Lemming, is that there are indeed lower guilds (like us) that were planning on ATing, beginning (what a suprise 
) this August. Following the Guru tournament, we were talking seriously about it, and we (following the resolution of some time-problem issues) were ready to go this August.
We enjoy GvG quite a bit, but the AT's massive time investment isn't worth it at all, save for the RPs.
I very much doubt that I can get my team to AT now that the tournament will be both a hassle and unrewarding.
I would have seriously preferred the ban idea they had.
) this August. Following the Guru tournament, we were talking seriously about it, and we (following the resolution of some time-problem issues) were ready to go this August.We enjoy GvG quite a bit, but the AT's massive time investment isn't worth it at all, save for the RPs.
I very much doubt that I can get my team to AT now that the tournament will be both a hassle and unrewarding.
I would have seriously preferred the ban idea they had.
DarkNecrid
I would have preferred the way RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing more simple fix of no more getting RPs at the end for just playing, instead dividing all the points given out amongst guilds who win the finals.
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So let's say for instance if a guild registers in the AT and are r1000, by the end of the AT they end up r1001. Will they receive the RP's? TBH judging by other things that happen with RP's for instance the person playing in the first match, ends up with all the RP if someone later takes his spot. Going by this I would assume they will be handing out RP's to guilds r1000 or better if your guild was sub r1001 during the registration.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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My only concern with this Lemming, is that there are indeed lower guilds (like us) that were planning on ATing, beginning (what a suprise ) this August. Following the Guru tournament, we were talking seriously about it, and we (following the resolution of some time-problem issues) were ready to go this August.We enjoy GvG quite a bit, but the AT's massive time investment isn't worth it at all, save for the RPs. I very much doubt that I can get my team to AT now that the tournament will be both a hassle and unrewarding. I would have seriously preferred the ban idea they had. |
If you actually want to learn how to play GvG with your guild then the fact that you will not be getting reward points should not even come into the equation.
ONTOPIC: I don't really see how this will change anything, considering how easy it is to get to rank 1k, and even if you fail that hard and can't get r1k, I'm sure you could pay someone to get those like 2 or 3 wins you need and then start AFK'ing again. Really seems like a short term fix to a long term problem, which never helps. I will give them credit for trying though =] they did say they would be monitoring how this works, so maybe if it doesn't have the desired outcome they will find a better more practical solution.
Snow Bunny
whatever, screw it, not worth arguing.
Daenara
My old guild went from unranked to R600 in two nights.. I can't see that it's going to make that much of a difference. (and there were 6 of us and two heroes running lameway) If a guild is seriously going to start ATing, it might only be a night or two before they qualify for RP's.
Selket
change the requirement to make it so that one has to sing you a starsong to qualitfy.
I think this change would benefit people those who wish to hear a starsong.
I think this change would benefit people those who wish to hear a starsong.
Its Quagmire
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
Before everyone complains about how much this is going to kill lower-end participation in the ladder, talk to Tolkano and see how many legitimate guilds under r1k there are ATing.
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DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper
If the only reason you're AT'ing is because of the RP (which is basically what you're saying) then please don't QQ about how you can't learn to GvG now, and your team won't play blah blah blah.
If you actually want to learn how to play GvG with your guild then the fact that you will not be getting reward points should not even come into the equation. |
Its Quagmire
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
Hey buddy, stop being a dick and leave him alone. Did you ever stop to think that maybe he doesn't care about the rewards, but maybe the other 7 people he is playing with might want an incentive? Especially if they are PvErs, they want a reward for doing something. All this has done is punished the actual people who could possibly earn the rewards (and hey, PvErs are going to have trouble getting into the top 1k, okay.), instead of doing a solution that might benefit those who actually play but not those who afk.
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RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Its Quagmire
Once again, another update that is going to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer. GG Anet.
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leeching for reward points is bad kthxbai
FoxBat
Why is this based on Rank instead of Rating?
I also expect over half of HB to quit... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I also expect over half of HB to quit... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Its Quagmire
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
im sorry your an idiot
leeching for reward points is bad kthxbai |
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
im sorry your an idiot
leeching for reward points is bad kthxbai |
Tell me how what they are doing is better than the following change:
No reward points are given for playing through the entire Tournament. Instead, a number of RPs equal to 15 times the number of participants will be given out to the top 3 teams of the AT? (split evenly)
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
No, you're dumb you missed his point.
Tell me how what they are doing is better than the following change: No reward points are given for playing through the entire Tournament. Instead, a number of RPs equal to 15 times the number of participants will be given out to the top 3 teams of the AT? (split evenly) |
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
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I'm not saying I need an incentive, but others might.
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
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DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
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Its Quagmire
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
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At what point have we said its about the money? For me its about rating, getting those +10 is a great feeling especially if you want to climb the ladder. You keep assuming every1 is QQ'ing over this for money when really your assuming and we all know what assuming does, makes an ass out of u and me.
You obviously don't know what goes into an AT and preparing for it, especially for the guilds that actually play. Now that many of them can't play because only top 1k will get rewarded, then many people will feel whats the point of an AT when I can get the same thing from a regular GVG w/out the serious punishment of a huge rating loss if I lose.
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
People expect to get rewarded for breathing now.
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@snow i honestly don't have a good answer to your question and i don't think ANet does either.
HackingHippie712
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
GvG isnt about money and its a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shame that its come to this where you are all QQ'ing about some bull shit like this. And so what the top three teams get rewards welcome to life where the people who win get rewarded and the people who lose don't.
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my guild is nowhere near top 1k but we get top 5 in at's every other day or so and get top 8 at least daily
but at the same time we also do normal gvg's bringing worse and less experienced players into gvg and letting them learn and get better at the game
now...our core team gets punished for helping out the lower end players because while playing with them we loose most of the rating gained from the AT's
RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712
you're a very special person and for the sake of everyone else i must ask you to stop speaking
my guild is nowhere near top 1k but we get top 5 in at's every other day or so and get top 8 at least daily but at the same time we also do normal gvg's bringing worse and less experienced players into gvg and letting them learn and get better at the game now...our core team gets punished for helping out the lower end players because while playing with them we loose most of the rating gained from the AT's |
1) create second guild
2) only use it when your good players play and let the bad ones play in the old one
3) win
4) ????
5) profit
its not that hard to think of solutions to these horrible problems of yours. I am sure that if you had really thought before you posted you might have thought of this yourself.
HackingHippie712
I'm the one that doesn't think? You really should start reading what you type buddy. Making a smurf has crossed my mind, sure...but that requires second accounts, and gold that myself, and my other guildees do not have
You see, you're the type who always thinks for themselves and doesnt really care what repercussions yours or others actions have on anybody but yourself. This type of behavior hints towards the fact that you are either rather young, or rather stupid...or both of course
Like everybodys mothers always told them(yours apparently didnt) The world doesnt revolve around you
You see, you're the type who always thinks for themselves and doesnt really care what repercussions yours or others actions have on anybody but yourself. This type of behavior hints towards the fact that you are either rather young, or rather stupid...or both of course
Like everybodys mothers always told them(yours apparently didnt) The world doesnt revolve around you
lemming
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[LEFT][FONT=Tahoma]My only concern with this Lemming, is that there are indeed lower guilds (like us) that were planning on ATing, beginning (what a suprise
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RavagerOfDreams
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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712
I'm the one that doesn't think? You really should start reading what you type buddy. Making a smurf has crossed my mind, sure...but that requires second accounts, and gold that myself, and my other guildees do not have
You see, you're the type who always thinks for themselves and doesnt really care what repercussions yours or others actions have on anybody but yourself. This type of behavior hints towards the fact that you are either rather young, or rather stupid...or both of course Like everybodys mothers always told them(yours apparently didnt) The world doesnt revolve around you |
you don't need second accounts place all your good players in the lead guild and the bad ones in the smurf its not hard. You can also use your mains guilds hall so money shouldn't be a problem.
i was not one of the leechers that brought about this change so i never made any actions to influence or bring about this change so I never actually "did" anything.
either way your complaining about not getting money. This whole zkey crap is fairly new and for a very very very long time we got along well without it.
I D E L E T E D I
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i actually quit AT'ing along time ago (i played when there were no zkeys back in the factions meta r500 range) so this change doesn't effect me whatsoever so no the world does not revolve around me but neither does it revolve around you and your guild whose situation is fairly unique as most guilds who play to win don't train other players.
you don't need second accounts place all your good players in the lead guild and the bad ones in the smurf its not hard. You can also use your mains guilds hall so money shouldn't be a problem. i was not one of the leechers that brought about this change so i never made any actions to influence or bring about this change so I never actually "did" anything. either way your complaining about not getting money. This whole zkey crap is fairly new and for a very very very long time we got along well without it. |
RavagerOfDreams
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There were no AT's back in the Factions Meta
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stayed in a played with a euro guild during the eurospike era and played a few at's but i got my shit rocked ><
after that got bored left came back in recently got wammo'd by a derv left again......waiting for a ws nerf then maybe ill come back.....
and there i fixed it i hope your happy you made me do stuff as i had to wake up at 2:45 to drive some1 to the airport and i feel like im gunna fall over
sibelang
O noooooeeeessss.... nomore Oi in GW? sad ><
whats dat means? r1000 when register or when it ends???!
they should change not rank but rating... like minimum xxxx-rating when register or/and minimum xxxx-rating when daily end imho ><
or they should change, a guild will still have RP even rank +1001 if win a battle, yes i mean a battle not win by forfeit
so at least any guild will try they best to win a match
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they should change not rank but rating... like minimum xxxx-rating when register or/and minimum xxxx-rating when daily end imho ><
or they should change, a guild will still have RP even rank +1001 if win a battle, yes i mean a battle not win by forfeit
so at least any guild will try they best to win a match
Selket
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Why is this based on Rank instead of Rating?
I also expect over half of HB to quit... which isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
And if you didn't notice, there's nothing in there about changing hero battle, just a change to GvG ATs.
Doesn't mean that they're not changing hero battles, but you need like 1180 rating to be top 1k in HB, which isn't that bad.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by tehlemming
The difference between r3k and the bottom of the ladder is about 50 rating. You'd be able to make that up in a couple of ATs assuming you aren't playing like total crap. Three days of not getting RPs shouldn't be an obstacle if your guild's motivated to GvG.
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fgarvin
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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
im sorry your an idiot
leeching for reward points is bad kthxbai |
OT: Not sure why they're wasting their time with this over there at ANet. There are so many other things that need attention.
RavagerOfDreams
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Ha Ha, you used "your" when you should have used "you're". You're poorly educated.
OT: Not sure why they're wasting their time with this over there at ANet. There are so many other things that need attention. |
anyways was thinking that, if anet decides to keep this new rule in place, they could create a "casual" AT for guilds whose rank doesn't make the cut for reward points. Now the there would still be reward points handed out but significantly less (i.e winner gets 20 or so per person). Additionally no qualifier points would be handed out. Gives those guilds who chose to help people or who wanted to try their hands at the AT a way to participate in a AT and still be rewarded for their efforts. This would also create a good learning environment for PvE'ers who wanted to get into PvP however the environment would still contain that competitive side. I noticed many of the guilds who played in the casual part of the guru cup wished that they could play like that more often and this might be a way to do that.
is my grammar better this time?