I need some advice. I've told him about the constant +100 AL, the warrior-like ranged DPS, and he steadfastly refuses to listen, simply saying "omg paragons suck," "they're wannabe monks," "they're wannabe rangers," "dervishes pwn," "assassins r weak," etc.
Any tips on how to pound some sense into his head, or should I just assume he's an idiot and resign to his nature as a lost cause?
Explaining to guild member why Paragons are good?
Zahr Dalsk
Arkantos
Don't forget [theres nothing to fear]
Anyways, if everything you said didn't change his opinion at all, he's an idiot, and you shouldn't waste your time with him.
Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.
Anyways, if everything you said didn't change his opinion at all, he's an idiot, and you shouldn't waste your time with him.
Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true.
The Meth
Sounds like a lost cause, some people just insist on being stupid. But...
Take a imbagon and both hench monks, then bet him 100k that he can't kill himself* in your party unless he leaves the paragon's shout range.
*sacrifice skills not allowed obviously
Take a imbagon and both hench monks, then bet him 100k that he can't kill himself* in your party unless he leaves the paragon's shout range.
*sacrifice skills not allowed obviously
Abedeus
Limitless energy.
Party-wide support and in-your-face DPS.
Imbagon.
Synergy with other paragons.
If he doesn't understand that, he's an idiot.
Party-wide support and in-your-face DPS.
Imbagon.
Synergy with other paragons.
If he doesn't understand that, he's an idiot.
Songbringer
btw the constant +100 al in the imbagon bar is actually a warrior skill. So for you to say paragons are awesomesauce because of that isn't really correct. The build is an amazing bar. However Paragons are awesomesauce for many other reasons. And YESSSS!!! AWESOMESAUCE IS A WORD.
O yea your guildie is a moron tell him to go read a paragon guide and kick him
O yea your guildie is a moron tell him to go read a paragon guide and kick him
Zahr Dalsk
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O yea your guildie is a moron tell him to go read a paragon guide and kick him
I'm not an officer yet, I joined a guild to try to give advice to other members; (don't really play anymore myself, but I like helping people get better) have already steered one warrior away from Gladiator's Defense and over to Eviscerape; this Dervish seems like a scrub though.
123dontcare
ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
Arkantos
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btw the constant +100 al in the imbagon bar is actually a warrior skill. So for you to say paragons are awesomesauce because of that isn't really correct.
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
...what? Are you trying to say they aren't good because you don't see them in your pugs? In the ~3000 hours of gameplay, playing in balanced PvE, I've pretty much always had a paragon since Nightfall.
Zahr Dalsk
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
That's him, by the way.
I'll start by restating what I already told him but he ignored: you don't see many paragons because most players don't have the patience to play paragon long enough to learn how good they are, and often no one tells them how good paragons are. And in your case they hate paragons ahead of time (jealousy?) and steadfastly refuse to play one. For a bit of information on him: He's played 800 hours in 2 years (casual much?), does not understand most non-Dervish classes' skills, does not understand basic debating, and believes Ursan Blessing is good.
jimmyboveto
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
You are still young grasshopper. They are godly in PvE, but maybe you haven't seen that, because all you do is ursan.
DarkNecrid
A better reason why you don't see Paras:
They are so stupid easy I can roll my face over my keyboard (after disabling the microsoft key obviously), and not even look at the screen and play a Paragon pretty effectively. (and are therefore, mind numbing boring, even if they are uber.) true story. If you don't think unlimited energy, long range sword dps that you don't have to follow the target for, party wide +56dps boost, infinite duration unstrippable IAS, party wide 82.32% damage reduction (SY) combined with another skill that provides a party wide 99.9 some % damage reduction total isn't broken or good, then I have no idea what to tell you.
Arkantos
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For a bit of information on him: He's played 800 hours in 2 years (casual much?), does not understand most non-Dervish classes' skills, does not understand basic debating, and believes Ursan Blessing is good.
I will be completely honest, and tell you this is an absolute waste of time then.
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["There's Nothing to Fear!"] + ["Save Yourselves!"] + [Anthem of Flame] + ["They're on Fire!"]
'nuff said.
Mr. Undisclosed
He sounds nub, get him kicked somehow. The reason he doesn't see paras in his groups is beause he runs noobway, ursan is baed and therefore by association he is bad as well.
Winterclaw
You could try putting together a good build for him, tell him exactly how to play it, and the take him out for some vanquishing in that build.
Don't know if it'll help though.
dilan155
he sounds 1337 man, and he has more experience than everyone here, he knows what hes talking about, paragons just plain suck, ok lol i cant continue with this. Paragons are extremely unpopular because retards like you spread the word to other retards that paragons suck. They can make your monks job much easier than it should be as well as buffing up your part, having very awesome e-management, warrior's dps from a long ranger thus no need to chase targets. if you dont think those are reasons a paragon is godly im afraid NONE can drill it into your head. Also i dont know what you mant by story playing but if you havent noticed Kormir herself is a paragon. Only reason you dont see a paragon in Elite areas is because you run Ursanway, wich we all know has no spot for change, it MUST be ursans and HB monks and TTs. My guild runs so many elite areas and dungeons and VQs in HM and im always there to SY for them. The only reason you dont see them in farming is because they are meant for party support and there is a para build for farming FoW Beaches.
Mesmer in Need
Either leave the guild or kick him, or tell him to go back to runescape.
MagicalHobo
Another good point is that the buffs from a Paragon cannot be stripped.
dilan155
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Another good point is that the buffs from a Paragon cannot be stripped.
and its party wide, so party wide unblock-ability, healing, hex removal, condition removal, speed buffs, IAS etc
Pour One For Jose
I think I'm attracted to broken classes,because the most two characters I've played as were a Paragon and an Assasin.
Paragons just have so much to give. SY Is used in most builds, but they also have other useful skills for many different situations. [skill]Song of Purification[/skill] Was and elite I used to run all the time, as any skill can remove the condition. [skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill] Stopped melee on caster hate, and [skill]Spear Swipe[/skill] Is an on command daze. other important buffs like [skill]Anthem of Envy[/skill],[skill]Anthem of Weariness[/skill], and [skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill] are greatly beneficial. Don't forget the unstrippable IAS [skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill].
Axel Zinfandel
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
Because they are taking heroes/henchies becuase not even Hero AI can ruin an Imbagon's awesomeness? :P
zwei2stein
Does he know basic mechanics? That's, how much 100 al reduces, and such?
If you can't make him believe you because of respect (or whatever) to your knowledge, and you can't convince him by normal reasoning, he's lost cause.
Stormlord Alex
@ Zahr's little pet tard - Paragons are more manly than even your own mother.
Therefore, they are good. Manly = w1n
Zidane Ortef
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
well FoW and UW are over run with Ursan noobs the new Wammo and if youve played any REAL PvP then you would be seeing paras, but with someone of your intelligence its fairly easy to see the most you have done in PvP is RA, if not that then AB which isnt real PvP. ["Fall Back"] relic runner anyone?
lustnlood
ok... so... i'm not going to talk about the normal imbagon build that everyone uses nowadayts cos i is plaiout boring. alll i do is spam things 1 after the other. i rarely play imbagon because its too overkill.
i usually go for condition dps in pve on a paragon, dealing over 100 dmg with every attack while spreading conditions... dont bother asking, im not giving the build. if your "oh, i am so wise friend wishes to see how imba paras really are in pve he should check out this link, a build i made for all para man pve (which btw i never used since i pvp only) http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Invincagons this i how good they really are. in pvp they are practically a must with their song of conc and make haste and fall back and DA and "They're on fire" blah blah blah... refusing to try out a class is just plan dumb my little retarded friend.. anyways... 1 last thing for the omg i love dervs. dervishes are extremely powerful, true... but they are such weak tards. who the hell likes rushing into the front line with 60 AL lols? go to runescape and mine OWNED BIATCH!!!
Accursed
This guy is obviously an idiot. I wouldn't even bother with him anymore.
defect
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who the hell likes rushing into the front line with 60 AL lols?
Dervishes have 70 AL
isamu kurosawa
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ok ok ok if paragon so good tell me why i never see them in fow uw pvp mission farming story playing? almost every aspect of the game in over 800 + hours of gameplay only seen 1 paragon in fow.
Ok ok if pugs are so good how come i have never seem one of them do a full fow clear in a decent time without any deaths?
Bobby2
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Ok ok if pugs are so good how come i have never seem one of them do a full fow clear in a decent time without any deaths?
HERESY! Do NOT question the 1337ness that is a PUG! EVER!
btw Leadership SUXXX! free IAS SUXXXX and so does [save yourselves]! Go P/Mo for [word of healing] and [mending] instead. Enko Guess what category your dervish friend falls under . ..
TheodenKing
You guys are missing an obvious answer to his question... If his friend has never played a monk in a party with an imbagon and a party without an imbagon, then he wouldn't know the difference. So my advice is, tell your friend to play a monk and watch his opinion change.
My alliance does DoA usually every night, either in HM or NM depending on who is on. We rarely use more than one monk and an imbagon in NM, or 2 monks and an imbagon in HM, despite how all the 3-button pugs use 3 HB monks. Every monk you ever play with in DoA will tell you how much easier the chaos becomes when you play with an imbagon. Valaric
Well i will add my own two pence worth, although the point has been made by many people. Ive never played as a Para (yet), i mainly play as an Ele or Mo. When it comes to having a good balanced team i always look to have a para. The benefits they can add are great.
But like whats already been said above, when looking at UW or Fow all you will find is Ursanway, PUG you will get the more popular professions, but when it comes to having an organised team you will get a good mix of professions. Like many other people here i have completed NF, factions and Prof on Nm and Hm quickly and that was aided by no small part of a para within our alliance. There is a few professions i probably will never try because they are not for me, but that does not say i dont appreciate what they can bring to a team and i will be more than happy to have one of these as part of my future groups. If people are too closed minded to not take in new information, or have there own opinions changed, or listen to other peoples advice and try it out for themselves before they judge it, then its these people i feel worry for. kiu00001
The fact is Imbagon doesn't ever need to go into a PuG and h/h is often more than enough to be in PvE, is that why you don't see them much? Rather than waiting in an outpost for countless times as a dervish, Imbagons really > some other PvE classes out there as paragons with minimum req. can face PvE very well. Of course, Paragons have its own weakness too, eg. Being focused fire when you're TntF is reloading and SY can't help you, Vocal Minority in Mallyx' also shuts paragons down.
If you're talking about FARMING, many specific classes can obviously farm well and >paragons in this area, but try consider going solo as a ritualist or mesmer and some other classes, it gives you the same negative image as they are NOT MEANT TO BE USED in this way. Even so, they require much better strategy and builds to effectively utilize this region, but nonetheless, paragons can STILL own this area with great planning. Some other posts have mentioned this : Paragons really have no limits on what he can do since he's such an imba class in PvE. Eternitys Dream
Ok after reading this thread about Para's and how they seem to be great in a support type role Im going to give one a try. Normally I only play an ELE/ME role whenever I play cuz I love to blow things up, but you all seem to give the Para class a good 2 thumbs up. With all the benifits they seem to add to any party they seem like loads of fun. Thanks
Tyla
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Anyway, in FoW HM runs we always use an Imbagon. We probably couldn't rush it so fast without the Imbagon.
Oh, and if ~80% damage mitigation with Warrior-like DPS at range and infinity energy isn't good enough I don't know what to tell you.
Even then, they are still severely imbalanced without PvE skills.
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Originally Posted by lustnlood
in pvp they are practically a must with their song of conc and make haste and fall back and DA and "They're on fire" blah blah blah...
Song of Conc and Make Haste are practically mandatory for certain objectives in HA only, but can be ran on other professions. Just wanted to clear that up.
My Lipgloss is Cool
Just give it to him in numbers and big words; He'll be impressed by your smartnessism.
Just think; Next time you would be taking 100 damage, you could be taking 17 (Or 11 if TNtF is up). Something I just realized; With nothing but SY!, TNtF and a healer who's paying a little attention, someone could tank HM Aatxes with no armor on. Tell your friend to tank a Aatxe with out any Prot or SY, then have him do it again with SY and TNtF on. See what he says after that.
payne
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also total lost cause from what I've read....paras are imba and are immensely helpful with party wide buffs and perma energy <<<nothing that hasn't already been said but its true
also great in PvP if he can venture far enough away from *insert random slur* [skill]ursan blessing[/skill]
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Quote: Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex Paragons are more manly than even your own mother. both look good in skirts? lol
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HERESY! Do NOT question the 1337ness that is a PUG! EVER! btw Leadership SUXXX! free IAS SUXXXX and so does [save yourselves]! Go P/Mo for [word of healing] and [mending] instead. sarcasm ftw? Quote:
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