Here's a solution that can be used to solve the rank grinding issue. Add scrolls that can be bought from merchants or consumable traders. These scrolls will act like...
Scroll of the Norn [Normal Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in normal mode. This scroll cannot bring your rank above 8. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active.
Scroll of the Norn [Hard Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in hard mode. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active.
This way, you can continue doing your missions, quests, and vanquishing normally while still gaining reputation points. This will hopefully eliminate the need for grinding the titles.
Edit to clarify - Ok these are intended to work outside of the norn/whatever area to gain points and those with eotn can gain points. Also, these scrolls shouldn't stack with the bounty of that area, so you wouldn't get double norn points from bounty and scroll, but maybe you can get asura bounty and norn scroll?
Scroll of the norn/asura/lightbringer/etc
Sniper22
Shayne Hawke
The respective scrolls will certainly have to be purchased from the respective traders.
I'm not sure why you chose the NM scroll to stop at r7, but I would suggest that the HM scroll at least give double points of the NM scroll. Bounties after every 25 kills probably shouldn't be awarded.
Good idea, allows less time to be wasted on simply grinding the title.
/signed
I'm not sure why you chose the NM scroll to stop at r7, but I would suggest that the HM scroll at least give double points of the NM scroll. Bounties after every 25 kills probably shouldn't be awarded.
Good idea, allows less time to be wasted on simply grinding the title.
/signed
Mitchel
So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?
Kanyatta
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So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?
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the Puppeteer
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So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?
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footballfan159
i think this would be a great idea but why restrict it to the respective territory only? if you don't have eotn you could still gain rep for the title but you couldn't benefit from the skills so whats the point. or you could just have them customized for a char when it's bought and that would solve everything
zelgadissan
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This way, you can continue doing your missions, quests, and vanquishing normally while still gaining reputation points. This will hopefully eliminate the need for grinding the titles.
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Also random thought - if it's not Norn/whatever territory, there's no mention of what happens if you're vanquishing, say, Gyala Hatchery. Kurzick/Luxon isn't a Norn bounty or a rep scroll, so Kurzick/Luxon+Norn?
Withholding my vote until clarification.
CoopaTroopa
It wouldn't really make sense to allow use only in Norn territory because the bonuses you get from the shrines would be a lot better (for the bonuses and bosses). I think it's a cool idea if you could figure out a way to keep them out of the hands of non-eotn players. And yes, this would make fairly easy titles more attainable, but that doesn't mean its not a good idea. Less pointless grind sounds fantastic to me.
Jetdoc
Sunspear and Lightbringer would be crazy, as you could just go outside in the Plains of Jarin and kill a bunch of level 1 plants and get to Rank 7 in no time.
payne
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Scroll of the Norn [Normal Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in normal mode. This scroll cannot bring your rank above 7. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active. |
Tender Wolf
Interesting idea but it needs some better "details" if you will. Like this:
Scroll of the Norn: While in Norn territory, you gain double rep points, and it would be based on which hunt rank you currently have. So basically it would be like a rampage bonus but it wouldn't run out if you didn't kill a foe in 45 seconds. It would last the same amount of time as any other scroll.
Same with Asuran and Vanguard, the scroll will only work in that territory. And of course it works for both hard mode and normal mode, but if you're in normal mode your rank can't go above 8. These scrolls would help since you only start out at one point per dead foe in NM and two for HM. If you continue to get hunt rank up and have a scroll it would make grinding less boring.
As for SS/LB, it's already easy enough to do but I do see the point. Grinding is boring and you want to get it over with. But the scroll should only work in certain places, like a place that only gives maybe 4 Sunspear points per kill instead of 8. Something like that.
Scroll of the Norn: While in Norn territory, you gain double rep points, and it would be based on which hunt rank you currently have. So basically it would be like a rampage bonus but it wouldn't run out if you didn't kill a foe in 45 seconds. It would last the same amount of time as any other scroll.
Same with Asuran and Vanguard, the scroll will only work in that territory. And of course it works for both hard mode and normal mode, but if you're in normal mode your rank can't go above 8. These scrolls would help since you only start out at one point per dead foe in NM and two for HM. If you continue to get hunt rank up and have a scroll it would make grinding less boring.
As for SS/LB, it's already easy enough to do but I do see the point. Grinding is boring and you want to get it over with. But the scroll should only work in certain places, like a place that only gives maybe 4 Sunspear points per kill instead of 8. Something like that.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Unless the stipulation was added like "This item can only be used in Norn territories"
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Miss Puddles
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Sunspear and Lightbringer would be crazy, as you could just go outside in the Plains of Jarin and kill a bunch of level 1 plants and get to Rank 7 in no time.
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/signed anyway. a lot of people have maxed these titles already but don't want to repeat the grind on another character. these titles are easy to get already, it isn't about making them any easier. but if we're going to have to grind out these titles multiple times, at least make it go faster!
Dark Paladin X
bright idea /partiallysigned
Like other suggested, make this limited to EotN areas only or requires EotN to use. Otherwise, I would use the scroll while doing missions in Factions and Nightfall.
Like other suggested, make this limited to EotN areas only or requires EotN to use. Otherwise, I would use the scroll while doing missions in Factions and Nightfall.
Xx Da Best Xx
I think its an alright idea, it would make more sense if it could only be used in HM so people wouldnt farm on lvl 3's. Maybe if you couldn't use the scroll unless you're r8 in eotn titles, r6 in lb title and r7 in ss...
yarddog
/not signed, these titles were extremely easy to max and required very little effort. the grind is also less than other titles that need to be adjusted to lower maximums. just my .02.
Steps_Descending
/not signed
The idea of bounty scroll sounds good but I don't like the idea of killing bugs in a petrified forest and having the ebon vanguard care about it.
Though something like : You gain double ______ reputation points sounds cool.
Just too bad it wouldn't work in dungeons. How about they allow to gain (say...) asura faction in Asura controled dungeon (I KNOW THE DUNGEONS ARENT CONTROLLED BY THE ASURA/NORN/... BUT YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING dont you?)
EDIT : that would also fix the non-GWEN-player problem
The idea of bounty scroll sounds good but I don't like the idea of killing bugs in a petrified forest and having the ebon vanguard care about it.
Though something like : You gain double ______ reputation points sounds cool.
Just too bad it wouldn't work in dungeons. How about they allow to gain (say...) asura faction in Asura controled dungeon (I KNOW THE DUNGEONS ARENT CONTROLLED BY THE ASURA/NORN/... BUT YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING dont you?)
EDIT : that would also fix the non-GWEN-player problem
Kanyatta
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Um, if it doesnt work with Norn Bounty would'nt this be useless? With the exception of the missions in the norn area? WHy buy a scroll if you can just talk to a shrine priest and get alot more points/benefits?
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MithranArkanere
YEAH!
Each faction should have its crafter specialty:
- Norn : Chalices
- Ebon: Powerstones
- Deldrimor: Armor
- Asuran: Orbs
- Luxon/Kurzick: Vigilante Insight Scroll. (+Faction/Promotion/Reputation)
- Sunspear: "You are not alone" item: Summons a Sunspear Standard and a party of 4 Sunspear of 8 random professions (One of them always a monk or a paragon) that will stay deployed there for 30 minutes. Useful for quests and missions where you have to 'defend' something. Only one Standard can be active in one area at a time.
- Lightbringer: "Secret" item: Summons a Djinn merchant(Diamond djinn appearance) that stays in the area for 30 minutes, which has the same items available at Guild merchants and can Sell, Buy and Customize. Only one djinn can be active in an area at a time.
That would make things even.
Of course, the scroll would work in a different way with each title:
- Luxon/Faction: +250%
- Lightbringer/Sunspear: +25%
- Norn/Ebon/Asuran/Deldrimor: +50%
Of course, they would increase ONLY single kills. They will NOT stack with boss kill bonuses, nor special bonuses like rampage, etc, and of course, it won't affect quests and won't work in PvP.
So it would be usefull only in Vanquishings and Normal mode area clearings, never with 'specialized runs'.
Each faction should have its crafter specialty:
- Norn : Chalices
- Ebon: Powerstones
- Deldrimor: Armor
- Asuran: Orbs
- Luxon/Kurzick: Vigilante Insight Scroll. (+Faction/Promotion/Reputation)
- Sunspear: "You are not alone" item: Summons a Sunspear Standard and a party of 4 Sunspear of 8 random professions (One of them always a monk or a paragon) that will stay deployed there for 30 minutes. Useful for quests and missions where you have to 'defend' something. Only one Standard can be active in one area at a time.
- Lightbringer: "Secret" item: Summons a Djinn merchant(Diamond djinn appearance) that stays in the area for 30 minutes, which has the same items available at Guild merchants and can Sell, Buy and Customize. Only one djinn can be active in an area at a time.
That would make things even.
Of course, the scroll would work in a different way with each title:
- Luxon/Faction: +250%
- Lightbringer/Sunspear: +25%
- Norn/Ebon/Asuran/Deldrimor: +50%
Of course, they would increase ONLY single kills. They will NOT stack with boss kill bonuses, nor special bonuses like rampage, etc, and of course, it won't affect quests and won't work in PvP.
So it would be usefull only in Vanquishings and Normal mode area clearings, never with 'specialized runs'.
crazybanshee
eh, these titles are really stinking easy anyway if you just fill play the game nm and hm and turn your books in wisely. How about scroll of the luxon/kurzick, those titles are real grind fests.
joshuarodger
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YEAH!
Each faction should have its crafter specialty: - Norn : Chalices - Ebon: Powerstones - Deldrimor: Armor - Asuran: Orbs - Luxon/Kurzick: Vigilante Insight Scroll. (+Faction/Promotion/Reputation) - Sunspear: "You are not alone" item: Summons a Sunspear Standard and a party of 4 Sunspear of 8 random professions (One of them always a monk or a paragon) that will stay deployed there for 30 minutes. Useful for quests and missions where you have to 'defend' something. Only one Standard can be active in one area at a time. - Lightbringer: "Secret" item: Summons a Djinn merchant(Diamond djinn appearance) that stays in the area for 30 minutes, which has the same items available at Guild merchants and can Sell, Buy and Customize. Only one djinn can be active in an area at a time. That would make things even. Of course, the scroll would work in a different way with each title: - Luxon/Faction: +250% - Lightbringer/Sunspear: +25% - Norn/Ebon/Asuran/Deldrimor: +50% Of course, they would increase ONLY single kills. They will NOT stack with boss kill bonuses, nor special bonuses like rampage, etc, and of course, it won't affect quests and won't work in PvP. So it would be usefull only in Vanquishings and Normal mode area clearings, never with 'specialized runs'. |
/notsigned for mithran's idea. btw that LB djinn merchant is super weak.
/notsigned for OP's idea. just play the game normally like everyone else always has. there's never been any need for scrolls or consumables or anything like that. of course they make things easier but i think it has contributed to the overall downward spiral of most of this game.
Lady Raenef
/signed for the OP idea, however...
When has Anet ever cared about us? They put in grinding for a reason...to keep us on a few extra days until we max the title and never login again. -.-
When has Anet ever cared about us? They put in grinding for a reason...to keep us on a few extra days until we max the title and never login again. -.-
Sniper22
Ok i tried to clarify the scrolls a bit in the OP. I forgot that titles stop at r8 in NM and not r7. Honestly these titles need to be easier to get and I think this is just a way to do it. I think anet said there were looking at other less grindy ways of achieving these titles, so this could have a chance... I'm not so sure about kurzick/luxon scrolls... thats more than just points for pve only skills because they're traded in for points for alliance/amber/jade/etc.
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Ok i tried to clarify the scrolls a bit in the OP. I forgot that titles stop at r8 in NM and not r7. Honestly these titles need to be easier to get and I think this is just a way to do it. I think anet said there were looking at other less grindy ways of achieving these titles, so this could have a chance... I'm not so sure about kurzick/luxon scrolls... thats more than just points for pve only skills because they're traded in for points for alliance/amber/jade/etc.
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Some people would rather buy their title and continue casually playing PvE than staying at olafson for weeks for r10 norn.
Do you know how BORING norn point farming is? I just want a statue for my Hall of Monuments!
Surely, there must be better ways to dedicate yourself to the title. Because games are supposed to be fun.
It would also help the hard-as-hell-to-level asura and vanguard ranks
The kurzick/luxon++ would also be a HUGE help in the game and make more sense. Why should you pvp for pve skills?
Do NOT say HFFF! Although legitimate, I do not believe it is ANET's intentions.
Tender Wolf
I agree with the dungeon comment (forgot to mention that in my previous post).
If you're in Asura territory and in an Asuran dungeon, you should get Asura points in there instead of Dwarven. That one is easy to get thanks to the snowman lair but the rest are even more of a pain because you can't instantly pwn everything in your path like the snowmen. So why not change the dungeons to correspond with their region?
Also, since there is a snowman lair for easy Dwarf farming, wouldn't it only be fair to add one of those for the Vanguard and Asura titles too?
If you're in Asura territory and in an Asuran dungeon, you should get Asura points in there instead of Dwarven. That one is easy to get thanks to the snowman lair but the rest are even more of a pain because you can't instantly pwn everything in your path like the snowmen. So why not change the dungeons to correspond with their region?
Also, since there is a snowman lair for easy Dwarf farming, wouldn't it only be fair to add one of those for the Vanguard and Asura titles too?
Sweet Mystery
This should be tied in so you only get the benefit when you get XP.... I'd hate to see level 10 slaughters get R8 quickly...
"Oh I'll just max my titles then head to EOTN and buy armor and I am just level 10"....
"Oh I'll just max my titles then head to EOTN and buy armor and I am just level 10"....
Sparks Dawnbringer
I would rather they made these account wide that add scrolls.
agrios
Im totally into this. Scrolls to double or triple faction gain would be not only moneysinks but also make the title stuff less grindy. Specially the Luxon/Kurzick ones.
Less grind, more fun!
/signed
Less grind, more fun!
/signed
Elephantaliste
gonna be hard for anet to justify replacement of weekend events by scrolls.
FoxBat
A much simpler version would be "for X minutes, your shrine blessing grant double faction or title points". This could exclude or not the boss bonuses/random eotn bonuses.
agrios
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gonna be hard for anet to justify replacement of weekend events by scrolls.
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Morphy
Grind should die in a fire.
/signed
/signed
Kook~NBK~
/not signed
1. With the weekend events, books, and Z-missions/bounties, the "grind" for rep titles has been greatly reduced already. Smart players will take the time to figure out how to best take advantage of these things.
2. PvE skills are set so that they will still be effective even at lower ranks.
3. There's nothing to be gained by watering down these titles. The only thing that will be accomplished by doing so would be to make them as big of a joke as Legendary Survivor has become thanks to Kilroy's Punchout.*
*Does anyone else find it ironic that the fastest way to reach Legendary Survivor is to team up with a Suicidale Kamakaze?
1. With the weekend events, books, and Z-missions/bounties, the "grind" for rep titles has been greatly reduced already. Smart players will take the time to figure out how to best take advantage of these things.
2. PvE skills are set so that they will still be effective even at lower ranks.
3. There's nothing to be gained by watering down these titles. The only thing that will be accomplished by doing so would be to make them as big of a joke as Legendary Survivor has become thanks to Kilroy's Punchout.*
*Does anyone else find it ironic that the fastest way to reach Legendary Survivor is to team up with a Suicidale Kamakaze?
agrios
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3. There's nothing to be gained by watering down these titles.
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Kook~NBK~
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Yes there it is something to be gained, its one of the most resources in the world: TIME!!
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Could it be "valuable" or "important," that you omitted? Either way, it doesn't matter, because you're playing a video game!
Yawgmoth
Terribad idea. Find some easiest place to farm lots of mobs, which isn't even in EotN and easily gain all 4 EotN rep tracks? What a complete nonsense.
The only way I could see some improvements to those titles being done is by providing some kind of boost item when a character hits rank10 in one of those titles, this should be untradable and boost reputation of your another character in the same faction as the one you have gained rank10 once.
Getting to max ranks in all the rep titles ONCE is perfectly fine and by no means is not any grind at all. But when you have 5 or more characters it starts to become somewhat annoying, repeating the same stuff over and over is not as fun anymore so it could be made faster if you have went through all that at least once the normal way
/NOTSIGNED for making it easier for the first character, it's not hard at all.
The only way I could see some improvements to those titles being done is by providing some kind of boost item when a character hits rank10 in one of those titles, this should be untradable and boost reputation of your another character in the same faction as the one you have gained rank10 once.
Getting to max ranks in all the rep titles ONCE is perfectly fine and by no means is not any grind at all. But when you have 5 or more characters it starts to become somewhat annoying, repeating the same stuff over and over is not as fun anymore so it could be made faster if you have went through all that at least once the normal way
/NOTSIGNED for making it easier for the first character, it's not hard at all.
agrios
@Kook
First, thanks for appointing my mistake. Sometimes I forget entire words while typing fast.
Second, time is very important to me. I dont want to spend it grinding. I dont like grinding.
First, thanks for appointing my mistake. Sometimes I forget entire words while typing fast.
Second, time is very important to me. I dont want to spend it grinding. I dont like grinding.
Ariovist Lynxkind
/notsigned.
why? what you are putting forward is effectively what the Norn, Ascalon Refugees, Krews, Priests, etc at the rez shrines already do. I admit it is different for NF (the priests, scouts, etc have only one specific group) it is still not that hard to do, you just need to be smart about how you do it. What is the point of adding another item to the game when it will do what is in place anyway?
why? what you are putting forward is effectively what the Norn, Ascalon Refugees, Krews, Priests, etc at the rez shrines already do. I admit it is different for NF (the priests, scouts, etc have only one specific group) it is still not that hard to do, you just need to be smart about how you do it. What is the point of adding another item to the game when it will do what is in place anyway?
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i don't think you should be able to use a NM scroll in low level areas. in NM you can't get bounties in istan beyond a certain SS level, why should you be able to use a scroll to get around that system? it's there for a good reason.
/signed anyway. a lot of people have maxed these titles already but don't want to repeat the grind on another character. these titles are easy to get already, it isn't about making them any easier. but if we're going to have to grind out these titles multiple times, at least make it go faster! |
on a side note
An idea that makes titles easier and less grindy that I actually like (although the titles are easy enough as is)
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ightgg
We get cons, then mass amounts of candy, then weekends making titles twice as easy to get. Do we need scroll to do that? Just take advantage of the weekend or grind it out.
/notsigned
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