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Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

25 Jul 2008 at 14:34 - 1

I'm sorry if this turns out to be an insane idea, but a while ago I remember reading on wiki about all the skills that they removed from the game, or they didn't have time to implement. Well, seeing as we need new content for the next two years, why not bring some of them back? Perfectly balanced, of course.

Lightning Storm

Energy Cost: 25
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recharge: 0 seconds

Spell. You invoke a Lightning Storm at target foe's location. Each second for next 10 seconds, one foe in the area is interrupted and stuck for 14...61...73 lightning damage.

How cool would that be? Perhaps it could be capped off a new, hidden boss... (don't forget that non-elites can be capped :P). I'm pretty miffed that this was removed simply on the basis that they didn't want air magic to have aoedot (area of effect damage over time) spells.

There's a long list of removed skills on the official wiki: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_removed_skills

I quite like the idea of Dissapear, too :P.

What do you think? Could introducing a new handful of skills sate our boredom as we wait for GW2?

*EDIT* You can see Lightning Storm in Dragon's Lair:

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

25 Jul 2008 at 14:47 - 2

imo, they should be able to adjust and add all of the skills that they never added, unless they were already replaced by skills we currently have (i.e. Beast Mastery Calls), or their function is absolute bunk (i.e. Unnatural Signet).

/signed

I liked Way of the Mantis best.

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

E/Rt

25 Jul 2008 at 14:51 - 3

Wow I never knew this. /signed

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

25 Jul 2008 at 14:51 - 4

I'd like the old removed skills, but how would a function like 'dissapear' work?

/signed, though I think ANet would screw up royally if the implemented some of these (dissapear function!)

Daviez

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

Hungary

Mo/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:00 - 5

/signed, /signed, /signed, /signed, /signed, /signed,

you're right, so much removed skills lol BRING THEM BACK!!

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

P/W

25 Jul 2008 at 15:01 - 6

Let's fix the current skills first.
/notsigned

Rakim B

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

Mo/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:02 - 7

I don't really like the idea of introducing certains effects to skill lines that were not designed for them, it will probably introduce unforseen side affects. The only way I could see them being implemented would be PVE only, but they were removed for a reason. A very good reason

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:06 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koudelka

Lightning Storm

Energy Cost: 25
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recharge: 0 seconds

Ether Renewal Lightning Storm builds....gogo!

A skill like this, as fun as it would be, would detract from the fact that Air Magic is more of a single-target attribute. Maybe if it were a new Sunspear Skill, instead of that traversty of a PvE skill we currently have it would be ok.

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:08 - 9

Adding a new set of PvE only skills sounds good, and also sounds like a massive flamefest waiting to ignite!!

.....still...

/signed

MisterT69

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:22 - 10

/signed, and let's bring back disappear!

Breakfast Mc Rit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

[Sin]

Me/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:26 - 11

A lot of those skills sound bad, probably didn't make it into the game for a reason.

LOL, Unnatural Signet and Nature Rituals sounded awful before Factions.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

25 Jul 2008 at 15:28 - 12

It looks like a lot of the "removed" skills were just slightly altered and renamed into skills that were actually implemented. Lightning storm however I WANT! Gimmee! gogogo!

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

25 Jul 2008 at 15:33 - 13

I guess that the avatar would just vanish. I'd also guess that you might want to add some functionality like it ends if they're moving under the effect of an IAS, they attack or cast spells that do damage or otherwise harm people...also if they're holding an item. Making it an illusion spell wouldn't hurt either. At which point you've pretty much stripped out any and all fun that could be had with it, save for invisi-monks.

It might not be that bad as a PvE only skill in where it causes all mobs to loose aggro on that character...

I wouldn't mind seeing it though...oh, and Lightning Storm too. It'd need to be changed as well. Lose the interrupt effect, increase the casting time, decrease the duration from 10 to 5, add a recharge in the 30-60 second range, add in the 25% armour penetration and perhaps up the damage a little bit and it could be alot of fun.

germanturkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

[PoW]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:43 - 14

an AOE air spell. bring it.
/signed

theonetheonlybruce

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fuzzies Anonymous [Fuzy]

Mo/

25 Jul 2008 at 15:59 - 15

alot of them would need be adjusted alot but they be fun to have new skills maybe this will kill ursan if they do lol

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

25 Jul 2008 at 16:01 - 16

I would use a lotta of those removed skills, except for those from Prophecies. But Paragon and Dervish ones look nice -.-

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 16:11 - 17

There were many skills that were removed or changed.
Now that there are PvE/PvP skill separation and PvE skills, it won't harm to bring them back.
Prophecies is the only campaign without PvE skills.
They should come back as Prophecies PvE skills, either unlinked or linked to normal attributes.
They could be the rewards for making the Sorrow's Furnace and Titan non-repeatable quests.

As for preventing this particual skill from having a big AoE effect in PvP, the solution is easy:

- PvP: hits up to 1..3 random foes (maximum 3)
- PvE: hits upt to 3..30 foes (maximum 30)

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

25 Jul 2008 at 16:17 - 18

Ahh, I want to see that Spontaneous Combustion skill in action... must be hilarious to see fire imps popping all around the 600 Tank monk

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 16:18 - 19

/signed,

I'd sign anything for ele.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

25 Jul 2008 at 16:21 - 20

I agree with the idea for some of those skills. Others are so terrible they need to stay removed.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

25 Jul 2008 at 16:57 - 21

Please can we remove imbalance from the game instead of impliment it?

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

25 Jul 2008 at 17:04 - 22

Decent damage, massive interrupts and no recharge? Yes please... Seriously that skill would be imba as hell. It is basically [[maelstrom] but actually useful.

/notsigned...

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

25 Jul 2008 at 17:04 - 23

If they actually balance the skill before they add it , why not? Otherwise no.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

25 Jul 2008 at 17:06 - 24

Whoa, I had no idea skills were removed from the game at all, let alone so many. I can see why some were removed, but perhaps they could bring back a few at a time considering they work right. Spontaneous Combustion sounds awesome and funny. lol

But please don't bring back any of the elites, it took me forever to get Legendary Skill Hunter and my storage is still hurting due to lack of platinum.

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

25 Jul 2008 at 17:15 - 25

They should consider balancing these skills and adding them them to eye of the north.
After all, EoTN IS lacking non-PvE skills xP

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

25 Jul 2008 at 17:35 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koudelka

Spell. You invoke a Lightning Storm at target foe's location. Each second for next 10 seconds, one foe in the area is interrupted and stuck for 14...61...73 lightning damage.

Looks to me like it's still a one target skill.

I'm curious how this skill would be considered "imbalanced" when [maelstrom] is apparently still deemed ok by the almighty coalition of whiners....crap now they are going to start bitching about [maelstrom]

Eddie Frenzy Spam

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Old N Dirty [ym]

W/E

25 Jul 2008 at 17:36 - 27

No no no, please do not add anymore skills into the game.

The game has already become very imbalanced compared to when only prophecies was out and even the developers have said that adding so many skills into the game was a bad idea on the basis of balance (Don't have a link but I know it was said) so yeah, clearly adding even more skills to the game is the worse thing that could currently be done.

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

25 Jul 2008 at 17:41 - 28

/signed

It will give air eles basis for a build that is similar in dmg output to GoR->MS.

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

25 Jul 2008 at 17:49 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatile

I'd like the old removed skills, but how would a function like 'dissapear' work?

/signed, though I think ANet would screw up royally if the implemented some of these (dissapear function!)

Thanks for the feedback, keep it up! About Dissapear... it was a skill before beta, before they even printed the Prophecies Guide. It does, however, have a skill icon which I procured a long time ago from a long lost fan site. This is my guess on how Disspear could work and be balanced:

Dissapear

Attribute: Illusion
Energy Cost: 5
Recharge: 30 seconds
Stance

For 1 - 15 seconds, + 1 second for every point of Fast Casting you have, you are untargetable by skills or attacks. This ends if you use a skill, attack, or take damage. This skill causes exhaustion.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

25 Jul 2008 at 18:00 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by romeus petrus

/signed

It will give air eles basis for a build that is similar in dmg output to GoR->MS.

Im assuming you are talking about [glyph of renewal][meteor shower] in which case the kiting response added in PvE made this already limited build obsolete. Slow interupts, 25en, exhaustion, and 5sec casting ft big time l

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:03 - 31

Oh, I checked the Wiki, the skill was not exactly AoE, it struck a random enemy in the area every second, but not all enemies at the same time.

Being random, it was a bit pointless, dealing damage here and there and you not being able to choose the target.

I'll change the area of effect from 'in the area' to 'nearby' and make the spell hit target enemy and 0..3 random enemies nearby target enemy.
It could be changed to hex.

Rakim B

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

Mo/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:07 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by kostolomac

If they actually balance the skill before they add it , why not? Otherwise no.

If they balance it no one would use it because it's not OP.

edit: this is speaking if it were only implemented in pve, none of these should be added to pvp under any circumstance.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:15 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian979

Looks to me like it's still a one target skill.

I'm curious how this skill would be considered "imbalanced" when [maelstrom] is apparently still deemed ok by the almighty coalition of whiners....crap now they are going to start bitching about [maelstrom]

In Area vs. Adjacent
Damage in High 70's vs. Damage in high 20's
0 recharge vs. 30 second recharge.
In Air vs. In Water.

Mindbender/ER ele can have half a dozen of those running simultaneoulsy at all times. Dealing 420 DPS. If there is single target he is interupted *6 times per second with 420 dsp*. Freaking autotargeting DPS.

Tell me it ain't imba now.

Also, whining about whiners much?

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:17 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

In Area vs. Adjacent
Damage in High 70's vs. Damage in high 20's
0 recharge vs. 30 second recharge.
In Air vs. In Water.

Mindbender/ER ele can have half a dozen of those running simultaneoulsy at all times. Dealing 420 DPS. If there is single target he is interupted *6 times per second with 420 dsp*. Freaking autotargeting DPS.

Tell me it ain't imba now.

Also, whining about whiners much?

I must remind you that lightning storm hits ONE enemy in the area every second.

ONE, not all. Its effect works in the area, but hits only one enemy. And there's no way to choose the exact target, thus making it impossible to really spike.

Damian979

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

25 Jul 2008 at 18:31 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

In Area vs. Adjacent
Damage in High 70's vs. Damage in high 20's
0 recharge vs. 30 second recharge.
In Air vs. In Water.

Mindbender/ER ele can have half a dozen of those running simultaneoulsy at all times. Dealing 420 DPS. If there is single target he is interupted *6 times per second with 420 dsp*. Freaking autotargeting DPS.

Tell me it ain't imba now.

Also, whining about whiners much?

Obviously the skill wouldn't be implemented with 0 recharge, common sense would tell you that.

A half a dozen ele's running just about anything simultaneously is going to destroy just about anything.

When it comes to having to listen to constant

"this is too strong"

"this is imba"

"I'm getting owned" it gets pretty damned old. Quit whining about making skills worse and GET BETTER.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:34 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I must remind you that lightning storm hits ONE enemy in the area every second.

ONE, not all. Its effect works in the area, but hits only one enemy. And there's no way to choose the exact target, thus making it impossible to really spike.

I am well aware of that. It is still that amount dps and still that amount of interupts.

I amust also remind you that this spell autotargets - as you kill of foes it concentrates firepower more and more.

Most of anoying bosses don't really come surrounded by tons of foes - and this skill does perfectly in prunning weaker foes and focusing fire on powerfull ones that are still alive.

It eventually does end up spiking last few foes or powerfull boss, really fast.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jul 2008 at 18:45 - 37

You forget about monks.
When damage is spread, unevenly, it's easier for enemy monk to heal, because there's no spikes, they have plenty of time to heal here and there.

Anyways, there is no need to bring the skill exactly a it is.
As I've said, it could perfectly be changed in order to add it again, like with the other historical skills.

And there are also Snow, Fire, Sand, Celestial and Chaos storms. It only makes sense to add the lightning one.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

25 Jul 2008 at 19:07 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koudelka

Perfectly balanced, of course.

Lightning Storm

Energy Cost: 25
Casting Time: 3 seconds
Recharge: 0 seconds

I agree with this besides the bolded part. Maybe 10 seconds?

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

25 Jul 2008 at 19:11 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I agree with this besides the bolded part. Maybe 10 seconds?

Yeah, when I said pefectly balanced, I meant we would have to balance them, :P. The current spell stats are what the skill would have been if it was implemented.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

25 Jul 2008 at 20:49 - 40

/signed if you don't want them in PvP at least give them back to PvE.