i own all campaigns including expansion, and was wanting the communties thoughts on which to choose and why would you choose that proffession.
MESMER OR ELEMENTALIST
ty no flames plz.
Mesmer or Elementalist?? which to choose...
SiLeNcEr
I have decided to make a new character but am having trouble deciding between a mesmer and elementalist.
i own all campaigns including expansion, and was wanting the communties thoughts on which to choose and why would you choose that proffession.
MESMER OR ELEMENTALIST
ty no flames plz.
i own all campaigns including expansion, and was wanting the communties thoughts on which to choose and why would you choose that proffession.
MESMER OR ELEMENTALIST
ty no flames plz.
Panais
ele can get into more groups, but mesmers can be alot better when used correctly
MagmaRed
It would depend on what you enjoy. Elementalist is geared for mass damage. Mesmer is geared for disabling an enemy. If you just want to do as much damage as possible to as many targets as possible, run an Elementalist. If you know how other classes work, and how to disable them, run a Mesmer.
PvE will not show much PUG love to a Mesmer, but friends and guilds will see the value in one for virtually anything. Elementalist will have a LOT of PUG love, and they also have several options for solo farming.
PvE will not show much PUG love to a Mesmer, but friends and guilds will see the value in one for virtually anything. Elementalist will have a LOT of PUG love, and they also have several options for solo farming.
zelgadissan
Depends on if you like PuGs or not. If so, out of those two you have to take ele.
If you get joy out of watching enemies fail at what they do, take mesmer (like me). You're already off to a good start if you own all the campaigns because that means you probably know by now how all the professions work. Trust me, there is no joy in GW like catching a 1/4 cast spell in an interrupt.
If you enjoy watching stuff blow up (at least for a while), take ele. You will also probably be more accepted in harder areas like DoA and UW, whether it's a balanced team or Ursan crap.
If you get joy out of watching enemies fail at what they do, take mesmer (like me). You're already off to a good start if you own all the campaigns because that means you probably know by now how all the professions work. Trust me, there is no joy in GW like catching a 1/4 cast spell in an interrupt.
If you enjoy watching stuff blow up (at least for a while), take ele. You will also probably be more accepted in harder areas like DoA and UW, whether it's a balanced team or Ursan crap.
Smarty
Which other classes have you played? Do you do any PvP? How are your unlocks for your heroes? Are you a member of a guild or do you need to rely on PUGs for stuff you don't want to/can't do hero/hench? Will this be a possible main character for doing hard mode title chasing with? Do you have a character you can do solo-farming on yet? They're all factors in which would be the best class for you to try next.
Chances are ele will be your best bet if you're looking for skill unlocks for heroes or wanting to PUG or title chase. If you don't care about any of that and just want to have fun watching things kill themselves, play a mesmer. They're a tonne of fun and a lot more versatile than many people realise. You'll do better at it if you've played a variety of other classes already, though, as you'll have a better understanding of what to do to make your target suffer.
Chances are ele will be your best bet if you're looking for skill unlocks for heroes or wanting to PUG or title chase. If you don't care about any of that and just want to have fun watching things kill themselves, play a mesmer. They're a tonne of fun and a lot more versatile than many people realise. You'll do better at it if you've played a variety of other classes already, though, as you'll have a better understanding of what to do to make your target suffer.
Tyla
Mesmers, even used by the best of players are the least effective profession in PvE. Their main interrupts can be ran by any profession, their primary isn't as favourable and single target shutdown is less effective in PvE. Play it if you're into disruption, shutdown and crap though. It's PvE and anything works.
Elementalists have great utility, can power skills such as Great Dwarf Weapon on 3 people with ease aswell as Mesmer interrupts or Cry of Pain, can blind, deal moderate damage and are more accessable in PuGs.
Bottom line: Elementalists are generally a superior choice, but if you prefer the role of the Mesmer, go do that, it's PvE!
Elementalists have great utility, can power skills such as Great Dwarf Weapon on 3 people with ease aswell as Mesmer interrupts or Cry of Pain, can blind, deal moderate damage and are more accessable in PuGs.
Bottom line: Elementalists are generally a superior choice, but if you prefer the role of the Mesmer, go do that, it's PvE!
Lykan
If you dont know the difference right now then go ele.
Anson Carmichael
Be aware that mesmers have a serious lack of self-heal, that is always a concern.
That said, I find the several play styles of mesmers to be quite entertaining. In PvE, I've found interrupts to be of varying use, but Power Block is extraordinary for shutting down enemy monks and elementalists. With silly mobs that congregate in one place, chaos storm, especially when echo'd, can cause AoE energy denial with some marginal damage. Ether nightmare, the factions pve mesmer skill, is an amazing skill that goes with almost any profession. I would concur with other people, though, that finding a PUG with a mesmer is hard if not impossible some times. I've been kicked a few times without explanation. Just be careful, if you play a mesmer, that you're using for its class and not only as a faster casting version of other classes, because you'll probably be happier playing the other classes.
Elementalist is the greatest farming class in existence. Earth magic is fun. That is all.
That said, I find the several play styles of mesmers to be quite entertaining. In PvE, I've found interrupts to be of varying use, but Power Block is extraordinary for shutting down enemy monks and elementalists. With silly mobs that congregate in one place, chaos storm, especially when echo'd, can cause AoE energy denial with some marginal damage. Ether nightmare, the factions pve mesmer skill, is an amazing skill that goes with almost any profession. I would concur with other people, though, that finding a PUG with a mesmer is hard if not impossible some times. I've been kicked a few times without explanation. Just be careful, if you play a mesmer, that you're using for its class and not only as a faster casting version of other classes, because you'll probably be happier playing the other classes.
Elementalist is the greatest farming class in existence. Earth magic is fun. That is all.
HackingHippie712
Id go mesmer, they are capable of perma sf for farming and can deal more damage than an ele in HM(armor ignoring FTW) i usually run something like this when my mesmer ventures into pve
Mantra of Recovery
Empathy
Backfire
Pain Inverter
Cry of Pain
Cry of Frustration
Power Drain
Rebirth
Mantra of Recovery
Empathy
Backfire
Pain Inverter
Cry of Pain
Cry of Frustration
Power Drain
Rebirth
Don Doggy
Most PUGs don't realise how useful a mesmer can be so for getting accepted into groups ele will have an easier time. Ele is also easier to use and play than a mesmer.
Morgan Crowe
Choose mesmer, you can play fastcast ele anyway if you want/had to.
Tyla
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Id go mesmer, they are capable of perma sf for farming and can deal more damage than an ele in HM(armor ignoring FTW) i usually run something like this when my mesmer ventures into pve
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crazybanshee
Like everyone said, go ele if you're going to be pugging cause most groups won't take a mes. Mes requires a lot more skill and twitch, and oh yea a fast connection cause you won't be interrupting much on a slow ping.
Rothan Celt
I suppose if it must be one of the 2 pick mesmer i chose ele but so much more can be done with a mesmer aswell as Me/E hybrid builds .... Male mesmers look iffy however :s
Elder III
If you have not played either before I suggest Ele, as it is easier and will be sought out more by others. You can get it to lvl 20 in a very short time, so if you don't like it you can just reroll as a Mesmer. 
HackingHippie712
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I suppose if it must be one of the 2 pick mesmer i chose ele but so much more can be done with a mesmer aswell as Me/E hybrid builds .... Male mesmers look iffy however :s
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Highlander Of Alba
Play what you wish to play
Yes both can be good...It may take you a little longer to learn the mesmer ..but its worth it in the end
I cant really what is best(term used loosely)as long as you enjoy the game thats all that matters....
You always have the option to add more slots/campaigns ect
So if you try the mesmer and dont like it then salvage everything before you delete your char putting gold into yout chestforwhat u salvaged ,,save bags also as saves you buying ..
Just a way if you dont have a lot in your bank
Yes both can be good...It may take you a little longer to learn the mesmer ..but its worth it in the end
I cant really what is best(term used loosely)as long as you enjoy the game thats all that matters....
You always have the option to add more slots/campaigns ect
So if you try the mesmer and dont like it then salvage everything before you delete your char putting gold into yout chestforwhat u salvaged ,,save bags also as saves you buying ..
Just a way if you dont have a lot in your bank
HackingHippie712
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Because Cry of Pain is linked to an attribute, right?
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as far as pve goes anyway FC SoI Ele>Normal ele
plus when pressing 1,2,3,4 next group 1,2,3,4 next group 1,2,3,4 next group 1,2,3,4 gets boring with mesmer you could switch to a build that actually requires a thought process
Tyla
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ahh, pardon my ignorance for thinking Mesmer hexes were best effective on a Mesmer
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Tearz1993
Cry of Frustration is more fun than any ele skill you will find.
HackingHippie712
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but i guess comming from a pve scrubs perspective you can have skills with no function at all on your bar
Also...as for soi only being 11...you're dumb, teinais heat does 38 dps with soi and hmm whats teinais heat do at 14 fire? 38
beyond that mesmers are capable of much much more than "single target shutdown" so before you act like you try to know something about a profession you clearly dont will you please shut up before somebody actually takes you seriously
Tyla
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yes, you can use any old mesmer hex but id like to think youd take a hex that actually serves a function rather than to trigger CoP
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Oh, and it's funny you calling me a "PvE scrub" when I only play PvP now.
One question. whoru?
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Smarty
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Well, I do play my PvE Mesmer but I understand it's sub-par.
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eggs0wn
Well I just created a Mesmer and can tell you it is very fun so far. Granted I'm only level 14 but it never gets old sticking Empathy/Backfire on a baddy followed by Cry of Pain and then watch the kill themselves.
My .2cents, I think a Mesmer is a fun challenging class; if your are looking for that then go with Mes.
My .2cents, I think a Mesmer is a fun challenging class; if your are looking for that then go with Mes.
Kook~NBK~
To OP:
Try either. Both can be fun to play and very effective in PvE. It will be easier to get into PUGs with an Ele, but you'll find that PUGs who don't subscribe to the "trinity" (Ele, Warrior, Monk) mind-set generally have a much higher success rate.
Try either. Both can be fun to play and very effective in PvE. It will be easier to get into PUGs with an Ele, but you'll find that PUGs who don't subscribe to the "trinity" (Ele, Warrior, Monk) mind-set generally have a much higher success rate.
Jae Onasi
I'm having fun playing both professions. Ele is fun for pure damage dealing and burning the snot out of the baddies. Mesmer is great fun for interrupting those enemy eles that are trying to nail my party and me. There's nothing like knowing I've just stopped meteor shower or fireball.
Da Rk Bl Ad E
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Most PUGs don't realise how useful a mesmer can be so for getting accepted into groups ele will have an easier time. Ele is also easier to use and play than a mesmer.
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and the only good thing mesmers brough to PvE was [cry of pain] and oh..wait..any profession can use it. including ele
and whoever said mesmers do more damage in hm than ele, thanks you made me laugh.
If you like blowing shit up and still having mild party support, go ele.
and oh that guy above me, Interrupting / Shutting down 1 target in PvE is pretty useless.
Darcy
My mesmer is my most "fun" character out of my eight active ones.
HackingHippie712
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I thought the main part of the damage came from CoP itself. CoP is overpowered. Single target shutdown sucks in PvE. GG.
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CoP is overpowered, and the skill which has no function fulfills the requirement needed to use it. I abuse imbalanced skills when I want to.
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Oh, and it's funny you calling me a "PvE scrub" when I only play PvP now.
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Perhaps i should go by your logic...bring spirit shackles and price of failure to trigger dw off accumulated pain on a monk, rather than two usefull hexes like degen, or crippling anguish
HackingHippie712
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and whoever said mesmers do more damage in hm than ele, thanks you made me laugh.
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I'll take my mesmers pve bar against the same mob and ill prove to you that theres more dmg comming from the mesmer
Hyper.nl
Eles are good for PvE and okay for PvP. Mesmers are not so good for PvE and very good for PvP.
A mes is harder to play than an ele because it requires quite some knowledge of the enemy. Personally I like the ele much better because of the high damage PvE spells you have.
A mes is harder to play than an ele because it requires quite some knowledge of the enemy. Personally I like the ele much better because of the high damage PvE spells you have.
Da Rk Bl Ad E
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use any of your brave damage ele skills on a HM Mob, and watch a bunch of lil yellow 1's and 2's fly up in the air
I'll take my mesmers pve bar against the same mob and ill prove to you that theres more dmg comming from the mesmer |
I'm also guessing your BIG DPS is coming from CoP. Any ele with a brain can do more Dps than that.
Masseur
I like Mesmer more than the Ele as Interrupts are nice, and there is degen and also multi-target interrupts and high level dmg of single and multi targets. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking Mesmers are only single target Casters. I love interrupting ALL characters, even melee and causing them dmg if they try and use a skill and degening them as the Monk is shutdown and can't heal. Causing dmg to the whole mob or interrupting them all at once is fun too.
Tyla
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Did i ever say mesmers were better because they can single target shutdown? i did not...i use CoP for 100+ armor ignoring damage
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Oh, and before you come up with that "lolpvescrub" shit again, why are you running an FC SoI Ele when the only big thing you get is FC, which has no bearing or good effect in PvE?
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This is where the Ritualist is superior in this scenario. They have access to the same skills and not missing out anything but Fast Casting.
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I like Mesmer more than the Ele as Interrupts are nice, and there is degen and also multi-target interrupts and high level dmg of single and multi targets. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking Mesmers are only single target Casters. I love interrupting ALL characters, even melee and causing them dmg if they try and use a skill and degening them as the Monk is shutdown and can't heal. Causing dmg to the whole mob or interrupting them all at once is fun too.
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Oh, and I'm not calling Ele the best profession for PvE. I'm merely stating that Mesmers are inferior to all other professions for the simple reason their best skills are usable at any spec by any profession.
kratimas
I have really enjoyed playing both and they are both very fun to play. If you are wanting to add farming to the list of things to do with this new character then I would have to go Ele. The Mes can farm but, I think the Ele is far better and faster at it.
IMO
IMO
HackingHippie712
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Crippling Anguish? And you're telling me to go back to PvE? I wouldn't even suggest that in an example, because it isn't a cheap spammable trigger for CoP or whatever and steals an elite slot. Degeneration can also be PvE-only, again. Ether Nightmare.
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Sorry, but when you're a plain Elementalist you have an open secondary. When you're a Me/E you aren't. I would seriously consider Splinter Weapon over Cry of Pain. If you're not using an Elementalist, but a Me/Rt, go with that, but if you're SoI'ing you're missing out on another sexy Rit skill.
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Sure, CoP, CoF, and Ether Nightmare are useable off any other profession, but you're missing the other usefull mesmer hexes like empathy and backfire...and if you're going to tell me you're going to run empathy and backfire off an ele then GG now(which btw are amazing skills in pve)
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This is where the Ritualist is superior in this scenario. They have access to the same skills and not missing out anything but Fast Casting.
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Snow Bunny
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backfire (which btw are amazing skills in pve)
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Backfire is not amazing in PvE, nor will it ever be.
Take this from someone who does way more PvE than is healthy these days.
Kook~NBK~
This topic has officially derailed.
Mesmers are fine in PvE when the player knows how to play one.
Mesmers are fine in PvE when the player knows how to play one.
Accursed
Mesmers in my opinion, can easily be the best profession in PvE if the one playing the profession can play it well.
Elementalists are pretty much the same deal as the mesmers, but groups would rather take elementalists than mesmers because they believe that the mesmer can't really do anything besides "degen" which is, of course, un-true.
Elementalists are pretty much the same deal as the mesmers, but groups would rather take elementalists than mesmers because they believe that the mesmer can't really do anything besides "degen" which is, of course, un-true.
Magikarp
my ele became a mule, then finally deleted after 2 1/2 years of being alive, whereas my mes is one of my 3 mains. why? because i like him :P
play what you like, and ignore the peanut gallery. you've had enough answers, and i think this thread is overbaked, so lets just give it a rest guys
(btw.. who is HackingHippie712? lol)
play what you like, and ignore the peanut gallery. you've had enough answers, and i think this thread is overbaked, so lets just give it a rest guys
(btw.. who is HackingHippie712? lol)