This may seem like a QQ thread, but it's more of a questioning of the psychological working of the general mob mentality in deciding what is and isn't popular. The main question behind a series of various questions all relating back to this simplified question is this "Why Do People Automatically Assume That Expensive Means That It Looks Good?".
Many people when I try to ask them this question in a nice and inquisitive and intelligent way I usually get the same response "what are you fugging jealous?", and my response is always "no, i was just wondering" to which their reply is always "You're just jealous because you cannot afford it".
But I could never understand the mentality behind some of he choices people make in this game simply because it's more expensive..
Though i know that even after posting this I will never get a straight answer. There are many items in the game that are expensive in the game simply because they look good, and I can completely understand this (celestial compass ftw) But there are an even greater number of items that just aren't.
Those who know me well enough and have seen my collection which is rather expansive (more in the way of ranger armors and weaps) Will point the finger at me and reply with "hey you're doing the same thing, you buy alot of expensive things too" to that i have this response, i may own alot of expensive things, but that cause I believe they look good, I like my items simply based on looks and not on price, and that's why I'm occasionally seen strolling the town in my shing jea armor rather than my fow or 15k suits (sneakers on my ranger ftw). But i actually personally enjoy my items, what about the people who really don't but just buy it anyways because they believe it's "leet"?
So why is it that people buy things simply because they are expensive?
Compensating for something?
Something I will never understand
Joe Fierce
Tearz1993
Because your opinion might not be the same as everyone elses?
I mean god forbid your opinion isn't absolute. And yeah it is a QQ thread don't even pretend it's not.
I mean god forbid your opinion isn't absolute. And yeah it is a QQ thread don't even pretend it's not.
Bryant Again
/shrug
Just to show off, really. I mean some people may like what they wear, but yeah most of it is honestly just to show off. People like to flaunt off how "dedicated" they are to the game.
It's the same reasons people buy expensive chars/clothing/etc.: To flaunt off and stand out from the crowd (although that last reason is questionable).
@Tearz: Uh how is this a "qq thread"?
Just to show off, really. I mean some people may like what they wear, but yeah most of it is honestly just to show off. People like to flaunt off how "dedicated" they are to the game.
It's the same reasons people buy expensive chars/clothing/etc.: To flaunt off and stand out from the crowd (although that last reason is questionable).
@Tearz: Uh how is this a "qq thread"?
Joe Fierce
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Because your opinion might not be the same as everyone elses?
I mean god forbid your opinion isn't absolute. And yeah it is a QQ thread don't even pretend it's not. |
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@Tearz: Uh how is this a "qq thread"?
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Tearz1993
Still it doesn't even effect you. Only reason this annoys me is because it seems like you're posting this to get attention. You ask a question that you answer yourself...
DoomFrost
I don't save up gold just to wear the most expensive thing, I save up gold because I like how it looks. And I liked how the dread mask looked when I first saw it which lead to me saving up for it and buying it.
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by DoomFrost
I don't save up gold just to wear the most expensive thing, I save up gold because I like how it looks. And I liked how that mask looked when I first saw it which lead to me saving up for it and buying it.
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Magikarp
i buy everything, but thats because i play the game to collect the armors (i have every warrior and monk armor set now, yay!.. and tons of duplicates on my favs -_- lol). I only wear what i think looks nice.. and tbh.. i like black and white dye on a lot of stuff.. but i dont think it makes me anything but tough looking.. ya know.. cuz i be a wareeur :P
i'll wear 1.5k armor if its what i like (and i do). in fact.. my two fav sin armors are 15k canthan and 1.5k shing jea, both black!
i'll wear 1.5k armor if its what i like (and i do). in fact.. my two fav sin armors are 15k canthan and 1.5k shing jea, both black!
Bryant Again
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I don't save up gold just to wear the most expensive thing, I save up gold because I like how it looks. And I liked how the dread mask looked when I first saw it which lead to me saving up for it and buying it.
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There's also another large mob mentality, that people *only* buy expensive armors for the above mentioned reasons and not because they appeal to the player.
Amantis
Are you saying my sin is a piece of crap? I am poor as dirt but I saved up and farmed my ass off for this cause I liked it, not because it was cheap, hell I WISH it was cheep so I didn't have to farm for it. In my opinion it looks good on him.
Dawn Angelheart
/Agrees.
like.. i dont farm. i dont do elite missions, gold pretty much means squat to me in GW. unless im saving for something. and when i have items, im playing since near day 1. i have a fair few expensive bits. but again i cant say i can afford everything i want. but what i have i like.. because its MY opinion..
i dont do "what the masses" think.. no builds. not ursan. nothing.
Its MY opinion. i like the voltiac spear. i like FoW armours. I have nothing to Show Off My wealth besides the armour i wear. and i dont even have a set of FoW. Its just 1 set of 15k for each of my 3 pve chars. and they have the weps i think look good. not what the Masses think looks good.
But even with all this. i still consider myself rich.
because i have WHAT I WANT.
like.. i dont farm. i dont do elite missions, gold pretty much means squat to me in GW. unless im saving for something. and when i have items, im playing since near day 1. i have a fair few expensive bits. but again i cant say i can afford everything i want. but what i have i like.. because its MY opinion..
i dont do "what the masses" think.. no builds. not ursan. nothing.
Its MY opinion. i like the voltiac spear. i like FoW armours. I have nothing to Show Off My wealth besides the armour i wear. and i dont even have a set of FoW. Its just 1 set of 15k for each of my 3 pve chars. and they have the weps i think look good. not what the Masses think looks good.
But even with all this. i still consider myself rich.
because i have WHAT I WANT.
Bryant Again
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Are you saying my sin is a piece of crap? I am poor as dirt but I saved up and farmed my ass off for this cause I liked it, not because it was cheap, hell I WISH it was cheep so I didn't have to farm for it. In my opinion it looks good on him. |
FoxBat
In fairness, a response like "what, are you jealous?" clearly indicates that those people are in it for the prestige.
But why is this surprising at all? Titles don't improve how your character looks at all, yet people are still chasing them. Why shouldn't the same apply to armor?
But why is this surprising at all? Titles don't improve how your character looks at all, yet people are still chasing them. Why shouldn't the same apply to armor?
Joe Fierce
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Again, part of the exception. A lot of people wear rare weapons/expensive armors just to look "leet n' skilled". Others use/wear them because they like the look and in you're case it fits (and it fits *damn* well!)
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fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
So why is it that people buy things simply because they are expensive?
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People automatically assume such gear is for status.
Anyway you can't be analytical about personal taste.
It's as varied and diversified as the player base, of which you are just one person.
Joe Fierce
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And you are someone who corrects grammar over the internet and feels good inside every time a puppy dies.
Judging people over the internet doesn't work too well. Troll someone else. |
This is a intelligent response that contests my statements:
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It's that assumption that's the problem.
People automatically assume such gear is for status. Anyway you can't be analytical about personal taste. It's as varied and diversified as the player base, of which you are just one person. |
Bryant Again
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why is it that bryant is the only one who comprehends what it is that i'm trying to say here and doesn't see it as a blatant attack but rather what it is, a simple question.
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It's that assumption that's the problem.
People automatically assume such gear is for status. Anyway you can't be analytical about personal taste. It's as varied and diversified as the player base, of which you are just one person. |
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Amantis
Are you saying my sin is a piece of crap? I am poor as dirt but I saved up and farmed my ass off for this cause I liked it, not because it was cheap, hell I WISH it was cheep so I didn't have to farm for it. In my opinion it looks good on him. |
Should have saved your money imo.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
It's not really specified that he was targetting "everyone" who buys expensive armors and rare weapons.
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I guess at the end of the day it's a no-brainer slapping a 75 ecto price tag on an item will attract those wishing to attain status but it's a pity so many instantly assume thats the only motivation for acquiring such gear.
Joe Fierce
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Yeah thats a fair call.
I guess at the end of the day it's a no-brainer slapping a 75 ecto price tag on an item will attract those wishing to attain status but it's a pity so many instantly assume thats the only motivation for acquiring such gear. |
Bryant Again
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I guess at the end of the day it's a no-brainer slapping a 75 ecto price tag on an item will attract those wishing to attain status but it's a pity so many instantly assume thats the only motivation for acquiring such gear.
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Lawrence Chang
Well.... this is the way the game is made. What else is there to spend money on? Of course, it is easy to get the best in the game, which leaves so much money left that people do not know what to do with it. They assume the more expensive it is, the more prestige it is. Seriously, If you had the money, I personally think that YOU YOURSELF would not settle for 1k maxed armor. Are you just going to leave all that extra money sitting around? Heck, you can even argue people who buy 15k armor is doing it for prestige, let alone FoW Armor/Chaos Gloves. Why pay 80k ++ for a set of maxed armor when you can buy one for 5k?
Even when people respond to you by saying "Why are you jealous?". Seriously. Think about it. Deep down inside, they think what they have (FoW Armor DYED BLACK/Chaos Gloves) is really cool and hip. Its actually quite hard to find someone that buys them who thinks they are ugly.
Even when people respond to you by saying "Why are you jealous?". Seriously. Think about it. Deep down inside, they think what they have (FoW Armor DYED BLACK/Chaos Gloves) is really cool and hip. Its actually quite hard to find someone that buys them who thinks they are ugly.
mr_stealth
I'm with you on this. There are people that think they look good, but all the ones with the "ur just jealous" crap buy stuff because they think it makes them better than everyone else. They can think it makes them better all they want, and I will continue thinking they look ridiculous.
I have most sets of armor in the game that I like, including several FoW sets. But, there are several FoW(and many 15k) armors I will never buy because I think they look horrible. It would be nice to have the expensive armor for them, but I'm not going to buy it if i think it looks bad. I'm not going to get into what I do/don't like, because thats not what this is about. Its about the reasons for buying expensive things, to look good, or to look expensive. I like both, but I'm not going to sacrifice looking good, just to look expensive.
I have most sets of armor in the game that I like, including several FoW sets. But, there are several FoW(and many 15k) armors I will never buy because I think they look horrible. It would be nice to have the expensive armor for them, but I'm not going to buy it if i think it looks bad. I'm not going to get into what I do/don't like, because thats not what this is about. Its about the reasons for buying expensive things, to look good, or to look expensive. I like both, but I'm not going to sacrifice looking good, just to look expensive.
Joe Fierce
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Well.... this is the way the game is made. What else is there to spend money on? Of course, it is easy to get the best in the game, which leaves so much money left that people do not know what to do with it. They assume the more expensive it is, the more prestige it is. Seriously, If you had the money, I personally think that YOU YOURSELF would not settle for 1k maxed armor. Are you just going to leave all that extra money sitting around? Heck, you can even argue people who buy 15k armor is doing it for prestige, let alone FoW Armor/Chaos Gloves. Why pay 80k ++ for a set of maxed armor when you can buy one for 5k?
Even when people respond to you by saying "Why are you jealous?". Seriously. Think about it. Deep down inside, they think what they have (FoW Armor DYED BLACK/Chaos Gloves) is really cool and hip. Its actually quite hard to find someone that buys them who thinks they are ugly. |
shoyon456
I love my main, so I buy him the most expensive stuff. It's not about epeen or w/e. It's just more about saying "hey, I really like my dervish and he's my main"
Magikarp
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neggatory boss, i have quite a bit of funds to just play around with as I please, and i still choose to wear my shing jea over my fow suit on occasion.
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you play for why you want to play, and let others play for whatever they want to play for. imo, the game is build around vanity, so if you don't like it, or the people that participate in that, then maybe gws isn't the game for you.
Kumu Honua
"Looks good" is in the eye of the beholder. I don't like that mask, but others might. More power to them.
Some of the "Expensive" armor looks good. Some not. Again, personal perception.
For example. I like Ranger Drakescale armor the best. FoW armor is also nice. I also do not like black dye. I prefer white. It's all personal preference.
Some of the "Expensive" armor looks good. Some not. Again, personal perception.
For example. I like Ranger Drakescale armor the best. FoW armor is also nice. I also do not like black dye. I prefer white. It's all personal preference.
Bluefeather
to OP.
Your observation about rare items (ie expensive) might have a point but to conclude that cheaper or common items look better is just not right.
When I just started with this game, i thought FDS is cool so i did everything i could to get one. and for a long time, i thought i was a god because i was using FDS. Is there anything wrong with my feeling (or my opinion) about the fds as the best looking sword in the game? i don't think so.
So, if you don't understand players who think expensive items are cool, its alright. There's nothing wrong with that. But you shouldn't walk around telling them that they have a poor choice. Because if you do, then all of them (those rich guys wearing expensive armors and weapons) will be justified for calling us (poor guys who can only afford 1k armor) noobs because we cant afford to buy expensive items. besides, see judge "beauty" differently. from where i came from, if you wear a green shirt and a violet pants, they will call you names. in other places it's cool.
if you have a 55-monk, do you think that cesta from prophecy should really worth 5k (or higher)? i think that's the ugliest item i saw that worth more than 100g. yet people are buying it (i even sold one for 8k).
Your observation about rare items (ie expensive) might have a point but to conclude that cheaper or common items look better is just not right.
When I just started with this game, i thought FDS is cool so i did everything i could to get one. and for a long time, i thought i was a god because i was using FDS. Is there anything wrong with my feeling (or my opinion) about the fds as the best looking sword in the game? i don't think so.
So, if you don't understand players who think expensive items are cool, its alright. There's nothing wrong with that. But you shouldn't walk around telling them that they have a poor choice. Because if you do, then all of them (those rich guys wearing expensive armors and weapons) will be justified for calling us (poor guys who can only afford 1k armor) noobs because we cant afford to buy expensive items. besides, see judge "beauty" differently. from where i came from, if you wear a green shirt and a violet pants, they will call you names. in other places it's cool.
if you have a 55-monk, do you think that cesta from prophecy should really worth 5k (or higher)? i think that's the ugliest item i saw that worth more than 100g. yet people are buying it (i even sold one for 8k).
Zahr Dalsk
Answer is simple. They want a large epeen to stroke. Thus they go for the most expensive stuff they can find. I then have to listen to a guy in black obsidian armour and chaos gloves with GWAMM r6 talk about how great Ursan is. Or someone with Hero/Zaishen rank running around spamming their emote because that's how they get their fun in Gw.
On a positive note, check out the Dawn of War 2 forums.
On a positive note, check out the Dawn of War 2 forums.
Epic Monkey Battle
I have 1 FoW set, on my monk, which I bought because I like it. But on my warrior I will not buy it because it's gross, I actually have a mixed armor set on my warrior that I think looks better than most complete sets around. I just where what I like :P
Lyonette
i reckon that the dread mask is so awful that it looks great xD
i have one on my male monk and it jus gives me a laugh.
most players in the game choose looks over blatant wealth. unfortunately picking armor and weapons becuase they are the most expensive/sought after is human nature. it happens in real life as well :P
the only thing you should worry about, is how you would like your characters to look and give opinions to friends and people who ask.
everyone has the right to play the game the way they want.
i have one on my male monk and it jus gives me a laugh.
most players in the game choose looks over blatant wealth. unfortunately picking armor and weapons becuase they are the most expensive/sought after is human nature. it happens in real life as well :P
the only thing you should worry about, is how you would like your characters to look and give opinions to friends and people who ask.
everyone has the right to play the game the way they want.
Aera Lure
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The main question behind a series of various questions all relating back to this simplified question is this "Why Do People Automatically Assume That Expensive Means That It Looks Good?".
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FoW sets used to have a status about them, but enough time has gone by that its no longer the case. My monk has more elite armor sets than she and storage can hold (given spaces on her and some in storage are needed for other things). They're spread among other characters in addition to the couple she carries that I like the most. They've all been dyed too many times to count, a number of them in some mix of black or pure black and many other combinations until I settled on something and even that changes on a whim sometimes. My other characters had numerous elite sets at one time until frustrated with armor space issues I trashed a bunch of them. Now with this said, can you guess where I spend my gold? Hint, its not on very high priced weapons usually, since thankfully most of the skins she likes are skins that I can acquire more cheaply.
Bottom line is: the game has been out long enough that tons of people have money for many armor sets and do the same thing as I do. They look good because they look good to you. Possibly some people buy armor sets thinking it gives them some sort of status, but I thought we were long past those days, and all FoW ever said back then anyway was that you accumulated some wealth. Now everybody has decent access to it and its only about what looks good to you.
Kaida the Heartless
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Consider supply and demand. If something looks "cool", there will be in increased demand for it while the supply stays the same; thus, the price goes up. For this reason, what the majority considers to look nice has a higher price.
Relating back to your origional question, it's not that the price makes it look nice, its the nice that gives the price. Follow?
Consider supply and demand. If something looks "cool", there will be in increased demand for it while the supply stays the same; thus, the price goes up. For this reason, what the majority considers to look nice has a higher price.
Relating back to your origional question, it's not that the price makes it look nice, its the nice that gives the price. Follow?
Dr.Jones
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for the most part its just matter of option. yes i have the money to dye all my armor sets black but for the most part some of the armor sets look worse off if there dyed black.
Breakfast Mc Rit
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Op:
Consider supply and demand. If something looks "cool", there will be in increased demand for it while the supply stays the same; thus, the price goes up. For this reason, what the majority considers to look nice has a higher price. Relating back to your origional question, it's not that the price makes it look nice, its the nice that gives the price. Follow? |
I don't know where everyone is getting the idea that the OP is talking about every single person wearing expensive gear. A little more time spent reading the thread instead of taking it as an attack would clear things up.
There definitely is this mob mentality that the more expensive something is, the better it is. There's no denying it when you see new people wanting to get the most expensive armor thinking it'll give them something more, perhaps higher AL?
Some people grow out of it, most don't. I don't care to own most of the armor in the game, but I do like that quirky mask. It's all a matter of preference.
eggs0wn
I got three 15k suits. First was Luxon because when I was part of a Lux guild I wanted to "rep" (way back when Faction cam out...). Then I realized that was idiotic and got 15k Druids because it look awesome and had that until EotN when I got Norn because it looks awesome.
Kapral
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I Have one response, try and tell me that this piece of crap looks good:
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expugnare
The hate on the black dyed voltaic is unreasonable imo. I use it with a draconic aegis on my Paragon, try to show contrast between the black surrounded spear and the glowing silver shield. It works well with the white/black paragon armor: a good girl bad girl thing. D:
Aera Lure
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...I was asking the simple question why it was that people found it ok to buy a more expensive item, regardless of whether or not they think it looks good because it's expensive, and think that it in turn looks good simply because it's expensive, thats what i was asking about,...
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There used to be a time back in Prophecies where FoW was sought after as a status symbol for some. Its no longer the case. There are a few skins and low req items in game that retain that sort of status symbol effect, and command very high prices. Thankfully I dont like any of them. Some people do it simply to have a goal to "complete", to get the "best" thing, which in this game is simply equatable to the most sought after skin with the lowest req. If its armor, its simply the most expensive.
fireflyry
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I don't believe it to be the only motivation for getting said gear, as I had said, ALOT OF PEOPLE only do it because of this motivation, I never said all people do it, I personally have quite a few fow sets and 15k sets, and a rather expansive bow collection, I chose these items cause i liked the look of them personally. My question was more directed at those people who do infact buy things simply because of price and an attempt to intensify the swelling in their e-peen.
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Only problem in GW is integrating status or e-peen with aesthetic items combined with restricted character customization.
End result:Those making changes or attiring gear for purely aesthetic motivations get lumped in with the the rest.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Honestly? Given how nasty the community - not GWG, but Guild Wars in its entirety - can be, I don't think it would be unfair to assume such.
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Shame though as I love the look of chaos gloves on my main and think it looks great but often I'll switch them out purely due to peoples responses and assumption of why I got them.
As you say people can be quite nasty about such an insignificant thing.