I lost my interest on GW pretty much after hard mode was introduced but I'm planning on starting it again.
I only had one experience with it- took my best damage profession and heros that had easily steamrolled through every campaign, and tried to fight a few mobs outside anvil rock. I attacked a single group- a monk and couldn't even get a hit because all he did was kite, kite, kite at what seemed like 50% movement speed. And somehow, even with my support paragon with notable skills of 35% damage reduction(they're on fire, stand your ground), my team died. After that, I pretty much ignored HM.
So really, how hard is it, hero/hench wise?
How hard is hard mode?
TheRanger
Ghostcell
depends on where you are, what your running, what your h/h are running, what your up against etc.
some parts are easy, some parts are challenging, some parts are damn near impossible without running specific builds.
some parts are easy, some parts are challenging, some parts are damn near impossible without running specific builds.
Earth
You can't just take your average NM build and go into HM and expect to steamroll over them 
You should probably take the godmode para build... That'll make it easy (easier?).
You should probably take the godmode para build... That'll make it easy (easier?).
Pleikki
You faind out how hard is it when you try, you need make better builds for Hardmode, it aint hard rly, vanquished almost whole tyria with hero/hench. it just takes time
the_jos
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I did most with guildies (team filled with heroes when not full), it's more fun that way.
It depends a bit on your profession how hard it will be.
And I know from experience that certain areas could be considered hard but that's only a very few areas with a somewhat decent team.
One of the things you should do is examine your foes and how to counter them best. It's very annoying when you encounter a boss or group you can't beat because you don't have the right counter for it.
I don't remember kiting monk foes on the last vanquishes I did, if you fear them just bring a snare...
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And I would surgest starting in a somewhat easy area with no quests active.
Just to get the feeling how hard the foes hit and how hard your team can hit back. Remember, dead foes can't hurt you, I've seen of players fail because their team was too defensive.
Bobby2
HM is like NM, only with less room to fuxx around with crappy skills.
N1ghtstalker
if you have good builds it can be easy
i vanquished some area's H/H and it wasn't easy, rather challenging but i survived and i was happy with the result (norrhart domain, yay i hate jotuns >_<)
i also did some missions HM with H/H, it can be super easy with the right builds
i vanquished some area's H/H and it wasn't easy, rather challenging but i survived and i was happy with the result (norrhart domain, yay i hate jotuns >_<)
i also did some missions HM with H/H, it can be super easy with the right builds
Kook~NBK~
Going in with the idea that you're going to steamroll your way through HM will get you pummelled unmercifully, as it seems you've already discovered.
Some areas / missions are harder to do in HM than others - Jokunar Diggings is one of the tougher (re: pain in the butt) missions because of the limited party size and the fact that you have to take Meloni with you, but most missions in Kourna aren't much harder than in NM.
Some Tips
Lack of preparation will get you wiped real fast and in a hurry in HM. Know what you'll be facing when you go out and prepare accordingly. Nothing sucks worse than getting 75%+ done with vanquiishing an area only to come across a boss group that you can't beat because you didn't bring any countermeasures for dealing with it. (No shutdown vs. the SF Ele Boss in Forum Highlands, for example, will get you nothing but roasted repeatedly)
Over-aggro is something to watch for, but is easily avoided by watching the patrol routes and proper pulling (long bow FTW!), same as in NM
Don't be in such a rush to not flag your Heroes & Henchmen when going to battle, especially when facing groups with AoE spells (Ele boss in Forum Highlands, et. al.) Most Explorables take an hour or so to clear, so there's no reason to rush.
The Sabway necro group is very useful in most areas.
Some areas / missions are harder to do in HM than others - Jokunar Diggings is one of the tougher (re: pain in the butt) missions because of the limited party size and the fact that you have to take Meloni with you, but most missions in Kourna aren't much harder than in NM.
Some Tips
Lack of preparation will get you wiped real fast and in a hurry in HM. Know what you'll be facing when you go out and prepare accordingly. Nothing sucks worse than getting 75%+ done with vanquiishing an area only to come across a boss group that you can't beat because you didn't bring any countermeasures for dealing with it. (No shutdown vs. the SF Ele Boss in Forum Highlands, for example, will get you nothing but roasted repeatedly)
Over-aggro is something to watch for, but is easily avoided by watching the patrol routes and proper pulling (long bow FTW!), same as in NM
Don't be in such a rush to not flag your Heroes & Henchmen when going to battle, especially when facing groups with AoE spells (Ele boss in Forum Highlands, et. al.) Most Explorables take an hour or so to clear, so there's no reason to rush.
The Sabway necro group is very useful in most areas.
Squishy ftw
It's easy with h/h.
It's as easy as NM with guild/friend groups.
It's as easy as NM with guild/friend groups.
Yol
The best thing to do is spend a couple of minutes reading the appropriate wiki pages for a region before you go in to vanquish it. Pay attention to the nearest outposts to the region, as it can sometimes make a difference to your party size. Bring appropriate armour for the damage you're likely to receive if you have it (e.g. as an ele vanquishing in Cantha, I'd bring aeromancers or hydromancers against the Jade sea naga elementalists, but geomancers against the Kurzick forest earth wardens). Don't bring an mm if the local monsters have minion-stealing verata skills.
Preparation is the key, but if you're struggling after that, there's consumables and festival drops.
If you're still struggling after that, the last resort is ursan blessing.
Preparation is the key, but if you're struggling after that, there's consumables and festival drops.
If you're still struggling after that, the last resort is ursan blessing.
Bobby2
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Some areas / missions are harder to do in HM than others - Jokunar Diggings is one of the tougher (re: pain in the butt) missions because of the limited party size and the fact that you have to take Meloni with you, but most missions in Kourna aren't much harder than in NM.
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I've not even mentioned [[Wounding Strike]. Melonni just... pwns.
Steps_Descending
A lot of times, HM is relatively similar to NM, accept you have to be ready to take a beating. As a lot of people have said, prepare a counter for any kind of damage dealer you'll have (blind vs attacker, party protection vs AoE-er, anti-spikes...) or at least a way to make use of those (aka Pain Inverter vs AoE).
Other wise : pull, look up some build-advices for the heroes (It became much easier when I started using N/Rt healer and bringing ProtBond/SheildingHands on my heroes). And yes, the best defence is an offensive on : 2-3 healer/defender, 1-2 disrupter, the rest in dmg. that'S generally my basis)
Other wise : pull, look up some build-advices for the heroes (It became much easier when I started using N/Rt healer and bringing ProtBond/SheildingHands on my heroes). And yes, the best defence is an offensive on : 2-3 healer/defender, 1-2 disrupter, the rest in dmg. that'S generally my basis)
retro77
One big change when going from NM to HM is to get rid of your superior runes. You want you and all of your heroes to have as much health as possible. So start buying and applying minor runes where you have sups and majors.
HM is the true test of your ability to play the game.
HM is the true test of your ability to play the game.
Hanma l
This is a popular hero team build that you can use depending on how many necro heroes you have but it can be modified to suit your needs.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Necro_Vanquish
If you are in fact a ranger as your name implies i'd go splinter barrage which even though splinter weap got nerfed it still packs a punch. SW + Barrage +MoP = Mass dmg to bunched up enemies.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Necro_Vanquish
If you are in fact a ranger as your name implies i'd go splinter barrage which even though splinter weap got nerfed it still packs a punch. SW + Barrage +MoP = Mass dmg to bunched up enemies.
Nanood
I was initially a little scared of hard mode but after vanquishing all 3 continents I have to say it's not THAT hard. A little strategy will keep you alive most of the time and a decent build/setup will win the day.
ALF71BE
HM is not that hard, actually. What you want to do is:
1. Study the area prior to vanquishing. Know if you're facing lots of physicals/hex spam/condition spam/corpse explotation/etc.
2. Bring the proper counters against this.
3. PULL.
4. Have high health.
5. I usually bring a defensive hero.
6. PULL.
7. Use flags.
8. Prots, wards and minions are your friends, according to the zone (for example, Ward of Stability on South Shiverpeaks, Minions everywhere where you can exploit corpses, Aegis on physicals zones like Vabbi, etc).
9. Sometimes, especially if H/H'ing, you want to flag back the NPC's and go into the mob yourself, with PS + SoA/Spirit Bond on you, to resist the initial spike of damage against AoE spells (I use that against Imps, which I kill with degeneration usually, Roaring Ethers, Ruby Djinns, etc).
10. Armor ignoring damage helps. Typical nuker with MS + Fire Storm = sucks.
If you're failing still after this and previous posted tips, you either have sucky builds, suck at this game, or are overaggroing. For example, in NM you can safely aggro 4-6 groups of skrees/hekets in Vabbi/Kourna
P.S., To the guy talking about Forum Highlands, hope you realize that's a very easy area. There's a free DP removal avaliavable, and SF will be half as effective if you flag everyone properly.
1. Study the area prior to vanquishing. Know if you're facing lots of physicals/hex spam/condition spam/corpse explotation/etc.
2. Bring the proper counters against this.
3. PULL.
4. Have high health.
5. I usually bring a defensive hero.
6. PULL.
7. Use flags.
8. Prots, wards and minions are your friends, according to the zone (for example, Ward of Stability on South Shiverpeaks, Minions everywhere where you can exploit corpses, Aegis on physicals zones like Vabbi, etc).
9. Sometimes, especially if H/H'ing, you want to flag back the NPC's and go into the mob yourself, with PS + SoA/Spirit Bond on you, to resist the initial spike of damage against AoE spells (I use that against Imps, which I kill with degeneration usually, Roaring Ethers, Ruby Djinns, etc).
10. Armor ignoring damage helps. Typical nuker with MS + Fire Storm = sucks.
If you're failing still after this and previous posted tips, you either have sucky builds, suck at this game, or are overaggroing. For example, in NM you can safely aggro 4-6 groups of skrees/hekets in Vabbi/Kourna
P.S., To the guy talking about Forum Highlands, hope you realize that's a very easy area. There's a free DP removal avaliavable, and SF will be half as effective if you flag everyone properly.
obsidian ectoplasm
Use Discord way
and everything is alot more simple
and everything is alot more simple
imnotyourmother
3 words, Build Build URSAN
JupiterStarWarrior
Even if you're Ursan, you're still able to be stopped, especially if your enemies deny your energy (which my guildies and I found out last night when we Vanquished Joko's Domain), but we persisted, kept reducing our Death Penalty with Consumables, and, three hours later, we were successful. It takes patience and persistence to do Hard Mode, but it is doable. Just, obviously, harder than Normal Mode. ^_^
Another thing, saying something is easy is relative to each person. One person may have found Joko's Domain sickeningly easy, but my group did not. And we were all veterans of the game.
Another thing, saying something is easy is relative to each person. One person may have found Joko's Domain sickeningly easy, but my group did not. And we were all veterans of the game.
Snow Bunny
HM is not hard.
We guild-grouped Unwaking Waters last night for fun and beat it in 5 minutes, 2 deaths because CYRIC IS AN ASSASSIN AND DOESN'T KNOW HE'S NOT A WARRIOR.
Hardmode is actually a pretty good exercise in bar-utility compression, fitting the most useful skills onto a limited bar.
We guild-grouped Unwaking Waters last night for fun and beat it in 5 minutes, 2 deaths because CYRIC IS AN ASSASSIN AND DOESN'T KNOW HE'S NOT A WARRIOR.
Hardmode is actually a pretty good exercise in bar-utility compression, fitting the most useful skills onto a limited bar.
Quaker
To add my 2 cents:
As people have said, NM is really easy and you can "steamroll" through it without a lot of trouble with only a semi-good build.
For Hard Mode, you may actually have to tweak you and your heroes builds to make them a bit better. You may also want to use specific skill-sets for specific areas, and it helps that you should have more skills available to you (once you've done NM)
As people have said, NM is really easy and you can "steamroll" through it without a lot of trouble with only a semi-good build.
For Hard Mode, you may actually have to tweak you and your heroes builds to make them a bit better. You may also want to use specific skill-sets for specific areas, and it helps that you should have more skills available to you (once you've done NM)
Fleur De Lyss
Some genious created Sabway, I use it with a friend, we both bring all 3 necros, an interupt and another monk. Works wonders.
Yol
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Some genious created Sabway
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=3986869
Div
The difficulty of HM is inversely related to how skillful/experienced you are.
If you don't have builds that are truly efficient, then you'll have a really tough time with it. If you have good builds, then it's easy as cake. Beating NM simply answers "can you follow directions and go to the right places while h/h do most of the work." Beating HM requires a bit more than that, so don't expect to steamroll it like NM.
If you don't have builds that are truly efficient, then you'll have a really tough time with it. If you have good builds, then it's easy as cake. Beating NM simply answers "can you follow directions and go to the right places while h/h do most of the work." Beating HM requires a bit more than that, so don't expect to steamroll it like NM.