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Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

31 Jul 2008 at 08:44 - 1

Me and a friend have been having a lot of fun chatting on stickam lately (some website where you can go on webcam and talk to people in chat rooms), and we came up with the following idea. I'd just like some feedback from the community on whether you would be interested in such a thing or not.

Our idea was to broadcast us playing matches of HA and GvG live on stickam, so other users could watch and listen WHILE the action is going on and discuss it with one another, and so new players if so interested could watch to maybe learn a thing or two.

"Well durrr just watch observer mode" - This would differ from observer mode quite a bit. For one it would be playing realtime, and all the sound from ventrilo would also be recorded and played in the chat room. Also this will allow users to actually talk about what's going on, because even though observer mode has a chat, let's face it, there's not much chatting going on there. Also this would just be a cool thing to do for my friends who have either played Guild Wars in the past or are looking into playing Guild Wars in the future.

Here's how the room would look like:

So what would people think about this? Good idea, bad idea? It'd just be a fun thing for me and my friends to do, almost like a 100% more interactive observer mode.

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

R/

31 Jul 2008 at 08:47 - 2

if the bandwith holds up it'd be a great crasher course for the completely clueless, and when it comes to pvp mentoring, kiSu seems to be the leader in that atm, so, hit them up with this idea.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

31 Jul 2008 at 08:51 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

if the bandwith holds up it'd be a great crasher course for the completely clueless, and when it comes to pvp mentoring, kiSu seems to be the leader in that atm, so, hit them up with this idea.

I've tested the bandwidth issue, it doesn't effect my ping in-game at all, and the stream plays at about 5-10fps, a bit laggy but definitely visible enough to understand what is going on. And i think i've got a friend in kiSu, i'll talk to him next time he's online ;o

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

31 Jul 2008 at 08:56 - 4

Brilliant idea. May I suggest a feature for saving the match to a video with or without the audio comments (for later viewing)?

Stephan123

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

31 Jul 2008 at 09:43 - 5

You can broadcast it on justin tv or ustream if you are going to do it

kratimas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Order of the Setting Sun

R/

31 Jul 2008 at 10:55 - 6

Not a bad idea, I would probably never log on but, I could see how some people might enjoy this kind of thing. Would be interesting for new or even old players wanting to get into PvP.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

31 Jul 2008 at 11:01 - 7

Ooh interesting idea o_o. I like that concept, could be used in a lotta ways... if it's free to use.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

31 Jul 2008 at 11:55 - 8

I once had idea of making composite videos (3x3 matrix of videos with one being blank) from guild trips to harder areas to showoff coordination and cooperation.

This goes beyond that, good idea.

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

31 Jul 2008 at 12:30 - 9

If the quality of commentators (knowledge, humor) is good enough, then why not, could be something that replaces old WoC.

Azora

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Portugal =P

We Need Fame [sOz]

R/

31 Jul 2008 at 12:41 - 10

Only got 1 question... when will the programm br finished?

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

31 Jul 2008 at 12:52 - 11

Possibly..it sounds intriguing.

Selket

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh

What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

W/

31 Jul 2008 at 12:59 - 12

Sure, it'd be helpful.

But how does it help someone if some guy whose guild is apparently not even on the ladder shows off his lack of talent to everyone?

You'd have to make sure someone actually good was doing it.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

31 Jul 2008 at 17:52 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azora

Only got 1 question... when will the programm br finished?

It's just a java page loaded by a website, it's 'finished' so to speak now

But we may start doing this for real in as little as one month or so, possibly even sooner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Ooh interesting idea o_o. I like that concept, could be used in a lotta ways... if it's free to use.

Yes it's 100% free and easy to use, it's as simple as going to a website, registering an account, then clicking to view the live stream. I'll need to PM a mod to see if i can post actual URLs to the website, i'm not sure if it's somehow breaking the rules or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selket

Sure, it'd be helpful.

But how does it help someone if some guy whose guild is apparently not even on the ladder shows off his lack of talent to everyone?

You'd have to make sure someone actually good was doing it.

Ignorant and elitist opinions are held in no regard whatsoever. It's just a video game buddy, and i'm just a casual player having fun. Sorry!

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

31 Jul 2008 at 18:44 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

if the bandwith holds up it'd be a great crasher course for the completely clueless, and when it comes to pvp mentoring, kiSu seems to be the leader in that atm, so, hit them up with this idea.

I'd use it, but I'm not the man in charge. I'll post it on the forums.

Most of our instruction comes from pre-and-post GvG/Scrimmge lectures, as well as very informative essays on our forums. Being active in the game -in the competitive environment- is very educational, but I can see how this could work. We are encouraged (required) to watch Observer mode and to listen in on gvgs in progress.

Red

Rawr!

Join Date: Mar 2006

Kentucky, USA

Team Love [kiSu]

Mo/

31 Jul 2008 at 19:09 - 15

Wow, how immensely interesting the idea is. Depending on the ease of setup, it would have a fair amount of implications and uses.

One question that comes to mind is how ANet would view the system. Observer mode was given a time delay, I understand, for a variety of reasons. Since this system overrides that time delay, I would think it opens up the discussion to that subject.

All things being equal, we'd definitely use it in kiSu--given that we sometimes have 25 people in a Vent channel where only 8 are actually playing...

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

31 Jul 2008 at 19:23 - 16

yeh i can immagine better spys on the other team in pvp

not like that will help much
I recon this could be most useful, i hope Anet approves

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

31 Jul 2008 at 19:25 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gift3d

It's just a java page loaded by a website, it's 'finished' so to speak now

But we may start doing this for real in as little as one month or so, possibly even sooner.

Yes it's 100% free and easy to use, it's as simple as going to a website, registering an account, then clicking to view the live stream. I'll need to PM a mod to see if i can post actual URLs to the website, i'm not sure if it's somehow breaking the rules or something.

Perfect. In PvP use it's nice to teach and give live commentaries, as for PvE, I can see it to teach as well and monitor possible contests and whatnot too.

Think it's given me a reason to play again...

theryl2002

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Team Theorycraft [tC]

W/

31 Jul 2008 at 20:17 - 18

imo as Red pointed out, this would be a horrible tool to use during competitive PvP, because all it would take is someone from the other team to connect in, and they know your every move. It would require a Time Delay, or pre-recorded commentary to be listened to later

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

N/

31 Jul 2008 at 20:55 - 19

besides the fact that other team could listen on their opponents im whole heartedly /singing this, just still need the time delay or some way for the opposing team not to spy on you.

Sora267

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

31 Jul 2008 at 23:14 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilan155

besides the fact that other team could listen on their opponents im whole heartedly /singing this, just still need the time delay or some way for the opposing team not to spy on you.

If there's a way, make it password-encoded so only people who know the password can see it?

Also, a side note: This probably wouldn't have all the bells and whistles of Observer Mode. The camera would probably only revolve around one person unless each person on a team had a camera set up..

Kamatsu

Moderator

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

31 Jul 2008 at 23:55 - 21

Please keep to the topic. No commenting about "he's not your x, y" please.

Red

Rawr!

Join Date: Mar 2006

Kentucky, USA

Team Love [kiSu]

Mo/

01 Aug 2008 at 00:07 - 22

... my understanding is that, for the match to be viewable like that, at least one person on the team has to be willing to transmit a recording WHILE they play--and again, guild cooperation in linking their Vent conversations to this tool.

So for one thing, any guild really worried about maximizing security will likely not volunteer to transmit their images? This isn't like observer mode where everything is automated; rather, this idea requires cooperation on the part of the observed, so let's not talk as if anyone is being forced to do anything.

But yes, password-protected channels would be key.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

01 Aug 2008 at 02:06 - 23

It does have a slight delay, no? He says it runs in 5-10 fps, which means the vent will be too (otherwise it would be out of synch), which means it'll generally be ~50 frames behind what is actually happening. Granted, it isn't 15 minutes but still...

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

01 Aug 2008 at 06:50 - 24

Again, the concern over spying is covered in Red's post. This system could only be used by someone voluntarilly recording.

The more I think about it, the more this would be perfect for us, if it could be made user friendly. What exactly has been done on it so far; is there a workable copy we could check out?