Next Update Will Be Next Week

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

07 Aug 2008 at 09:23 - 561
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon
I could sit here and discuss it all day but I wont because it isnt the place. But Mesmers are already very good in pve and have many many viable builds.

If you want to focus on buffing some pve chars then look at rits.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon
Sorry, but anyone that thinks mesmers needs a buff clearly cant use one properly. My mesmer has been everywhere and done everything from elite dungeons to HM vanquishing without the aid of ursan or some other cheap gimmick of the month. They have adequate interrupting and shutdown capabilities even for PVE which are very easy to use.
Surprisingly my ritualist did all that also.
Which means you can't use a rit properly.
In which case ... why would we believe you that mesmers are ok?

There's one thing saying that things work per se and other thing to get the things to work.
You can make empty skillbars work in PvE.
Does that mean empty skillbars work in PvE per se?

The mesmer has issues but they can be overcome because of the simplicity of PvE.
Something like the necro - also deals with the simplicity of the PvE - but without the issues.

Probably the best thing about going mesmer primary in PvE is that you can run Assassin's Promise.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 09:32 - 562
Every class can do everything in PvE and that is a pretty terrible reason not to give something buffs/nerfs.

SPURLUXE

SPURLUXE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Japan

07 Aug 2008 at 09:32 - 563
*Fixed a bug that Japanese district was isolated.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

07 Aug 2008 at 09:40 - 564
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPURLUXE
*Fixed a bug that Japanese district was isolated.
upate was smaller than I'd thought. I suppose the size of a 'monster' is all from your point of view

fireflyry

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

07 Aug 2008 at 09:41 - 565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon
Sorry, but anyone that thinks mesmers needs a buff clearly cant use one properly.

My guild leader has KoaBD r5 on her mesmer main.She wants mesmers buffed.

/fail

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon
My mesmer has been everywhere and done everything from elite dungeons to HM vanquishing without the aid of ursan or some other cheap gimmick of the month. They have adequate interrupting and shutdown capabilities even for PVE which are very easy to use.
Your basing your logic and reasoning on purely personal experience as opposed to community trends and complaints, not to mention the fact that mesmer degen, interrupting and shutdown are unwanted fail in 99% of PvE when compared to DPS and the fact other classes can do what a mesmer can....often better.

Just walk around any PvE area and look out for mesmers.It's like an MMO equivalent of "Where's Wally".

That alone speaks volumes.

Hopefully they get some long deserved Anet lurve this update as I love the classes concept even if it fails in PvE execution.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

07 Aug 2008 at 09:49 - 566
Exactly. Who needs interrupts or shutdown? You can just kill before they get to attack/cast a spell. Then shutdown is useless, so are interrupts.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

07 Aug 2008 at 10:14 - 567
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus
Exactly. Who needs interrupts or shutdown? You can just kill before they get to attack/cast a spell. Then shutdown is useless, so are interrupts.
That's totally false. Said from a ranger is very strange too ...

Try to vanquish Eastern Frontiers with a 4 man party (like me and my friend did with our overpowered rangers) only with damage, you will fail.

What is true is that mesmers' ability in destroying casters in PvE is not even comparable to what a ranger can do, probably the only really significant mesmer spell for this task is Diversion, which requires a skilled player to be used properly.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

07 Aug 2008 at 10:22 - 568
,,Said from a ranger''.

We are talking about Mesmers, right? Ranger can bring BHA + Volley + Splinter Weapon and pwn mobs. Mesmer doesn't have dazed + aoe damage every 5 seconds and 4 places for utility + rez.

Or BHA + volley + Epidemic. AoE interrupts every few seconds.

Try going W/P Earthshaker with a Splinter Weapon hero, you will kill all monsters before Mesmer will be able to finish casting Diversion. KD > interrupts on most of the enemies.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

07 Aug 2008 at 11:24 - 569
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
That's totally false. Said from a ranger is very strange too ...

Try to vanquish Eastern Frontiers with a 4 man party (like me and my friend did with our overpowered rangers) only with damage, you will fail.
2 warriors.
2 monks.
Smash, smash, smash - and we kept on smashing until the foe monkies pretty much ran out of energy.
TBH - the builds we ran were quite bad (mine didn't include any PvE skills and my guildy believes in Light Of Deldrimor) - I never play my warrior (just like my monky I only have him because I wanted some pretty armour so he barely had any skills) and my guildy doesn't believe in running an IAS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
What is true is that mesmers' ability in destroying casters in PvE is not even comparable to what a ranger can do, probably the only really significant mesmer spell for this task is Diversion, which requires a skilled player to be used properly.
The most skilled use of Diversion in PvE requires you to leave it off your skillbar. In PvE - most foes will use a skill once and then die. So Diversion achieves nothing.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 11:32 - 570
The updates buffs are quite interesting and there doesn't seem to be any nerfs. I couldn't see any Ranger, Para or Dervish changes so I don't know if they were omitted from the image or if there are none.

I look forward to seeing what else is new.

Anon-e-mouse

Anon-e-mouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

@ Home

League Of Friends [LOF]

R/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 11:38 - 571
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
But most importantly, if they fully understood what they were doing, why are they considering a nerf for it?
They're considering a nerf, because a bunch of QQ'ing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOTARDS QQ'd until the universe imploded.

Daenara

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron

Mo/

07 Aug 2008 at 12:02 - 572
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
Try to vanquish Eastern Frontiers with a 4 man party (like me and my friend did with our overpowered rangers) only with damage, you will fail.

.
That's a bit of a silly thing to say tbh. Maybe you should amend that to "I failed to vanquish Eastern Frontiers with only damage. "

Besides hasn't the old "Mesmers need a buff in PvE --> No they are good if you know how to use them --> No they suck" argument gone through the wringer a thousand times? Get some new lines people!

Oh, and yeah, update and stuff. I'm sure it's coming, it will cause monster QQing, and nothing will really change.

Cynically yours...

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

07 Aug 2008 at 12:44 - 573
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daenara
Besides hasn't the old "Mesmers need a buff in PvE --> No they are good if you know how to use them --> No they suck" argument gone through the wringer a thousand times? Get some new lines people.
Yes, it's an old arguement. I stopped participating in the debate here on the forums a long time ago. I'm of the "Mesmers are good in PvE..." mindset, but I think the right kind of buffs to the class will go a long way towards ending the debate once and for all.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

07 Aug 2008 at 12:45 - 574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daenara
Oh, and yeah, update and stuff. I'm sure it's coming, it will cause monster QQing, and nothing will really change.
So that's why it's called a 'monster update'

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 13:17 - 575
Hello all! I left GW going on a year ago. Now I am lured back, at least to this forum, by news of this "Monster Update." Will it get me and other departed players to give GW another shot? I hope so.

Many adventures while gone, but one of them was Hellgate London -- which appears now to be deceased, more or less, since Flagship Studios went broke.

Now just before Doomsday came for Hellgate London, all were awaiting the glorious and wondrous super patch for that game known as Patch 2.0. But the end of the world for Hellgate London came instead.

Well, Anet seems to be financially stable at least. Real question in my own mind is whether or not after the "Monster Patch" there is going to be any class here that can equal the excitement and pleasure of my Level 50 Hellgate Engineer. You would not believe the weapons and gear that guy had. He was a one man walking holocaust! But that game at the upper levels shoveled out hordes of monsters that needed every bit of DPS he could ish out.

Geez, I'm homesick already ... and there's no home to go back to.

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

07 Aug 2008 at 14:18 - 576
I'm hoping for more storage space


Allthough my free monthly zaishen keys are fine too

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 14:32 - 577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon
Sorry, but anyone that thinks mesmers needs a buff clearly cant use one properly. My mesmer has been everywhere and done everything from elite dungeons to HM vanquishing without the aid of ursan or some other cheap gimmick of the month. They have adequate interrupting and shutdown capabilities even for PVE which are very easy to use.

What more do you people want? a skill that causes 10 minute blackout on all foes on the map?
As has mine.

Yet i aggree mesmers need to be looked at. The main source of damage in modern PvE mesmer builds use PvE only skills that are not tied to a mesmer attribute. CoP can be abused my a full team on any profession, heck even the monks can take a copy. The req of any mesmer hex can easily be met by using any cheap spammable hex on one or two party members.

Mesmers need more buffs to skills in the style of treatment clumsiness and wandering eye got. AoE ability on skills that does not force the skills to be OP in PvP. Additional effects on inspiration skills to replace the loss of effectiveness of energy denial would also be handy.

Personally i would have liked various skills to have gotten axtra abilities if used againt non-human foes such as [[club of a thousand bears], but we got the pve/pvp split instead which could be used to fix alot of mesmer issues, specifically in inspiration line.

just because you can complete all zones with a mesmer it does not mean mesmer primary is on par with other professions in PvE. They work, but then so do alot of things.
The only reason my mesmer is used above other proessions with more useful primary atts for pve running the same build is because my mesmer has maxed titles when my necro for example does not. PvE skills work but are merely a crutch.

Also, i would like to see pve buffs to skills such as mistrust. They are currently the most effective disruption skills for mesmers to use in HM because of the rediculous casting boosts the foes get. Or at least recharge drops for skills that lower cast time on foes.

kostolomac

kostolomac

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

Serbia

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 14:53 - 578
Quote:
Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
Also, i would like to see pve buffs to skills such as mistrust. They are currently the most effective disruption skills for mesmers to use in HM because of the rediculous casting boosts the foes get. Or at least recharge drops for skills that lower cast time on foes.
Can't agree more with you on that

Asplode

Asplode

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Chicago, IL

Rebel Rising [rawr]

07 Aug 2008 at 14:55 - 579
Quote:
Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
Mesmers need more buffs to skills in the style of treatment clumsiness and wandering eye got. AoE ability on skills that does not force the skills to be OP in PvP.
Hi, my name is Ineptitude WanderingEye Clumsiness template. I've been dominating PvP all of July and August to this day.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

07 Aug 2008 at 14:59 - 580
Yeah, if Anet don't fix things properly this time around, then they're boned. The game sucks for balance already, but doing a bad update...

Monster QQing will be true methinks.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

07 Aug 2008 at 15:05 - 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²
I'm hoping for more storage space


Allthough my free monthly zaishen keys are fine too

My vantriliquism classes are paying off!!
Oh yeah...wallow tonics kkthxbai

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

N/A

07 Aug 2008 at 15:37 - 582
this is make or break i think for GW.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

07 Aug 2008 at 15:39 - 583
Break more likely. They've waited too long, and they aren't even doing the HoM update...

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

07 Aug 2008 at 15:56 - 584
Quote:
Originally Posted by English Warrior
this is make or break i think for GW.
The only thing that would keep me from uninstalling GW would be 7 hero parties, which I know will never happen.

Tweaking GW is far, far too late now.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 16:01 - 585
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
Break more likely. They've waited too long, and they aren't even doing the HoM update...
That's probably because the HoM update is bigger than everyone thinks it is since they are trying to put it in a "ready for GW2" state, imo.

Accursed

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

07 Aug 2008 at 16:06 - 586
Quote:
Originally Posted by English Warrior
this is make or break i think for GW.
Let's hope it's a make.

I'll still play in GW if it broke, but whose going to play with me?

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 16:53 - 587
I think this is a make or break for ALOT of people.

For me, it is aswell. This doesn't mean that I will quit playing GW, as it still is the somewhat better alternative for us cheap bastards who don't want to pay monthly fees.

If, however, it is a break, Anet has shown they can't manage a community. As genius and gifted as they are at creating a RPG, they lack the skills to entitle themselves the MMO before it...
They can release an amazing final product, but we all know they lack dedication and customer satisfaction values. It's this that tells me GW2 will suffer the same faith:

Amazing start, fun game, DEFINATLY worth buying, BUT most definatly not PvP worthy. Face it, current GW is Build Wars, which is as far from PvP as you can get. (If you HAVE to run a certain build to win, well 'nuff said. Don't even come with the bs that "if everyone is running the same build, the best skilled player wins" -Exactly, and 1 thumper beating the other one shows skill, right?)

Let's hope Anet got the message, and they know what is needed in order for the community to stay loyal. (And I concider us hardcore community, concidering the 2 years without updates we've been going through)

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 16:53 - 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asplode
Hi, my name is Ineptitude WanderingEye Clumsiness template. I've been dominating PvP all of July and August to this day.
Would you prefer to see the small AoE + 10sec recharge or the old more spammable version then?

The update i am reffering to was the increased recharge and addition of AoE.

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

07 Aug 2008 at 16:53 - 589
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
Break more likely. They've waited too long, and they aren't even doing the HoM update...
What?!! What do you mean they're not doing the HOM update!!! I spent a fortune on a Tormented bow just to add it, and I hear all this about a monster update and they're not even doing it!? Then what the hell could possibly be such a monster update? The HOM changes are what everyone wanted, at least just the Tormented weapon part!

Is there a link to information regarding the update, and is anything confirmed?

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

07 Aug 2008 at 16:56 - 590
today's update is a skill update. the HoM update won't happen today.

as for a "monster update"... let's just say the skill update will be pretty big.

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

N/A

07 Aug 2008 at 16:57 - 591
i want too see a link because people are saying everything is buffs no nerfs thats hard to believe and how would they know.

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

07 Aug 2008 at 17:07 - 592
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
What?!! What do you mean they're not doing the HOM update!!! I spent a fortune on a Tormented bow just to add it, and I hear all this about a monster update and they're not even doing it!? Then what the hell could possibly be such a monster update? The HOM changes are what everyone wanted, at least just the Tormented weapon part!

Is there a link to information regarding the update, and is anything confirmed?
anet mever once stated the HoM changes where comming with this update. That was all player assumption. They have until the release of gw2 to implement that update as the HoM is useless till then anyway.

Why would you buy a weapon right now just to put it in the HoM anyway? You don't even know what it will give you in gw2.

Reflect

Reflect

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

Varna,Bulgaria

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

W/

07 Aug 2008 at 17:10 - 593
still no shit?
i want mu zkeyz atleast

Free Sigils

Free Sigils

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Puff Puff Pass That Oh W T F [B스n]

Me/P

07 Aug 2008 at 17:14 - 594
I'm feeling remarkably optimistic today, which has me worried.

But yeah, if this is a "monster" of an update and it fails, than the rage is going to be epic. I'm prepotting with popcorn. Anyone want some?

Koudelka

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 17:15 - 595
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus

Or BHA + volley + Epidemic. AoE interrupts every few seconds.
Epidemic is a mesmer skill. Epic failure on your ZOMG RANGERS PWN MESMERZZ argument, hm?

OT: I'll have some popcorn, Sigils! What flavour?

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 17:16 - 596
Quote:
Originally Posted by English Warrior
i want too see a link because people are saying everything is buffs no nerfs thats hard to believe and how would they know.
Well the only leaked info is the 40 elites which all got buffed. Which was the point of them being changed, was changing 40 old elites to be buffed into not suck.


There will be nerfs.

I assure you.

Free Sigils

Free Sigils

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Puff Puff Pass That Oh W T F [B스n]

Me/P

07 Aug 2008 at 17:18 - 597
Technically if you buff all the underpowered skills and raise the overall game power level it is a nerf to the former higher skills because the gap in skill power is smaller...

OT: Lesse, I got Cheddar, Caramel, QQ, and my Ursan is gone wtf! flavors.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Aug 2008 at 17:19 - 598
I'll have some popcorn, Sigils!

Fortuna1

Fortuna1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

South Africa

The Evening Stars [ES]

E/

07 Aug 2008 at 17:21 - 599
Gladiator and alliance rank emotes baby haha

Koudelka

Koudelka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

England

The Khaotic Empire (TKE)

Me/Mo

07 Aug 2008 at 17:23 - 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Sigils
Technically if you buff all the underpowered skills and raise the overall game power level it is a nerf to the former higher skills because the gap in skill power is smaller...

OT: Lesse, I got Cheddar, Caramel, QQ, and my Ursan is gone wtf! flavors.
Hmm... I don't like the sound of burnt ursan. I'll just have salted :P.