Shields.... -5/20 > All.

Dronte

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

For PvE, i usually use -5(20) because it doesnt require shield swapping, good for any conditions (even tho its crap actually).
For PvP, I obviously use +10 al shields but thats another thing.

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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Warriors usually have Strength shields? Or Tactics?

I Is Special

I Is Special

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

NJ

To Gain Extra Mobility We Play [NUDE]

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Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.


I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area.

To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh.

Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Is Special
Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.


I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area.



To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh.

Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes
Yes. If you don't have all of the above then you're not being as effective as you could be, therefore you're bad.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
No there aren't.
Closest thing would be "Survival of the Fittest" +1...5 Armor vs Physical Damage but is for off-hands only.

And in PvE someone can't be arsed having 7 slots of different shields so -5/20 is the easiest.

In PvP you don't need your inventory empty so it's best to take a shield for every elemental/physical damage.
You shouldn't need to be carrying around seven different shield sets, just take sets determined by your pre-determined enemies. As for physical armour changes, I ment the Slashing, Blunt etc...

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Guru hasn't got anymore intelligent since my enforced vacation I see. Still good for the odd chuckle though

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
i have no problem with people liking the -5/20, even though it sucks.

why?

because i have no personal use for it, but i can sell it for about 10k pretty easily. why complain? take advantage of the situation...
Damn, people buy that? I always used to merch it

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Well, since there is no weapon upgrade trader, people will try to equip the most versatile upgrade.

Armor vs damage type or race is not versatile, neither under stances or enchantments.

Reduce conditions are not either, since not all monsters deal all conditions.
The only ones left without conditions that almost always are active for a warrior or paragon are +5 armor while attacking, +5 vs physical and +5 vs elemental, since almost all areas have quite some physical and elemental damagers and warriors attack most of the time.


How to solve this? Add weapon upgrade traders so switching inscription becomes easier as is done more often.

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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I love -5/20. Easy money, spam it for 8k and people line up to buy it.

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

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you people complaining about carrying 7 shields; why not use the obviously better -2 (Stance)?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trylo
you people complaining about carrying 7 shields; why not use the obviously better -2 (Stance)?
Because not everyone runs stances and the extra armour actually equates to more defense. Twenty extra armour is around 25% damage mitigation.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.

but wait! it also has lighening and physicals

WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up*

p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?

p.p.s. who makes ur luggage, does it have a pocket dimension with infinite space?

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Is Special
Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.


I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area.

To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh.

Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes
I have no idea why you'd need all that crap. The only damage inscription a warrior ever needs is 15>50. I prefer 15% enchanted on my rit, since I only use martial weapons with spirit's strength with her.

You really don't need more than 4 weapon sets for any given build (it's really hard to use more anyway).

Set 1 is vamp/sundering depending on if you want DPS or spikes. Please note that sundering is only for axes/hammers/scythes. Set 2 is an elemental weapon. I use icy, because that's how I roll. Set 3 is zealous, for energy regen. Set 4 is a spear/longbow for pulling and/or building adrenaline at range. Mods/damage/req are unimportant.

For shields, a warrior is pretty much set with -2 stance and -20% blind, though the +10 inscriptions are handy if you're wealthy. There are only 7 of them. -Cripple has uses in PvP, but is crap in PvE. A caster should use -2 enchanted or +10 vs. slashing if you can only pick one. Damn near everything does slashing damage.

PvE casters need one defensive set, one set for each attribute they plan to use, and one high set, usually req. your primary attribute. It's really not that much junk when you break it all down.

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

[Here] | CKOD

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Because not everyone runs stances and the extra armour actually equates to more defense. Twenty extra armour is around 25% damage mitigation.
GG. if youre not running stances as a warrior i am going to suggest /uninstall. it was not asked to you (someone who would actually use the +10vsX), it was asked to the people who run -5/20 on a warrior. sorry if i didnt make that clear, i know you were only trying to help but you said condescending. if someone doesnt know 20 armor is 25% less damage by now they really should be /uninstalling too.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trylo
GG. if youre not running stances as a warrior i am going to suggest /uninstall. it was not asked to you (someone who would actually use the +10vsX), it was asked to the people who run -5/20 on a warrior. sorry if i didnt make that clear, i know you were only trying to help but you said condescending. if someone doesnt know 20 armor is 25% less damage by now they really should be /uninstalling too.
Bad reading comprehension on my part.

Cherng Butter

Cherng Butter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Maryland

The Mirror Of Reason [SNOW]

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I have -2/stance and +10 lightning, fire, and water shields. I was actually quite glad when I bought my tormented shield because it had a -5/20% on it, which I salvaged and sold for some decent cash

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
It's not hard. And yes, thats waht all GOOD PvP'ers do. The tormented is +10vs. lightning to follow how I've done my shields. Tormented, looks like lightning, thats why its my +10vs.light. Magmas shield = Fire, Tribal Shield (Mask Skin ) = piercing, Demonic Aegis = Slashing, Amesthy Aegis = Blunt, Celestial Shield = Cold, Shield of the lion = earth... and thats all folks.

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

Not so relevant to warriors this but i'll go ahead anyway.

For those worried about prices of having 7 different shields, this guy is pro. Then just add all your 7 inscriptions and you're away.

Plus they dye rather nicely.

Div

Div

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

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Rolling for r6 commander still means they're a shitter.

Aztec Mijo

Aztec Mijo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

[LaZy]

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i just use +10 vs fire, lightning, slashing and piercing

chance of having the right shield seems the same as 1 in 5 hits, assuming its physical, being reduced by 5. :\

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

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well if you are going to get one pve shield may as well get an all rounder

I mean i dont shield switch in pve...

Nainoa

Nainoa

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Join Date: Jun 2008

USA

ARMY

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Only bad players think -5/20 is best on shields. Same with 20/20 sundering on low damage range martial weapons. Unfortunately this game is overflowing with bad players.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

Sometimes it's not a matter of people knowing or not knowing that 20/5 is bad. A lot of people in this game don't have much cash to throw around and for them the logical reason is to buy something universally useful. That's where 20/5 mods come into play. Carry 1 shield that will carry you through until you can accumulate the necessary funds to purchase others. However if I had to pick I'd pick -2 while in stance as a universal choice seeing as though I'd be on my warrior who's quite often under a stance of some sort.

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.

but wait! it also has lighening and physicals

WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up*

p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?

p.p.s. who makes ur luggage, does it have a pocket dimension with infinite space?
You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot.

First, -5/20% only reduces physical damage, so it's not doing anything for you against fire and lightning attacks either.

Second, you can tailor your shield choice based on the most threatening damage type. The guys with -5/20% just eat the damage like morons.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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Quote:
Originally Posted by byteme!
Sometimes it's not a matter of people knowing or not knowing that 20/5 is bad. A lot of people in this game don't have much cash to throw around and for them the logical reason is to buy something universally useful. That's where 20/5 mods come into play. Carry 1 shield that will carry you through until you can accumulate the necessary funds to purchase others. However if I had to pick I'd pick -2 while in stance as a universal choice seeing as though I'd be on my warrior who's quite often under a stance of some sort.
20/5 inscriptions are the most expensive option, so that doesn't work so well.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
Rolling for r6 commander still means they're a shitter.
Pretty sure Candy wouldn't have soloed you if you had a polly shield on.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.

but wait! it also has lighening and physicals

WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up*
Depending on the amount of foes of the respective elements i'd either equip +10 vs fire or +10 vs lightning. I already have 100 armor vs physical damage anyway. I will then proceed to dispatch the elemental mob i didn't spec against first. That would be the good answer. Reality : i would just don't give a f*ck cause it's PvE and everything is f*cking easy in PvE.

In PvP however i would carry a blind reduction shield most of the time. Swapping to +10 vs piercing when splitting in base / at VoD when there are a lot of archers left. In case i face a build with one type of damage, i'd swap to a shield countering that type of damage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?
Actually, i do 3 different sets with different stats depending on what i'm running.

Guess it's time you hulk down and learn to play this game properly before you press ye good olde capslock again.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

Quote:
Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot.
and i love you too
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First, -5/20% ...
I didnt mention -5/20%, are you replyin to the right person? ;3

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Originally Posted by RotteN
Guess it's time you hulk down and learn to play this game properly before you press ye good olde capslock again.
Caps might be true, as for 'play this game properly', i dont recall ever mention what i use, i was just asking what others used ;3

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Any player that sticks with only one shield FAILS, and needs to uninstall ASAP! Stop ruining my game!

Any players with an IQ above 2 have a whole inventory of shields to adapt to the situation.

Kamakazi112

Kamakazi112

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

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Its PvE ppl just mod it to make it look better or have more value even though its crap....

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

Quote:
Originally Posted by slowerpoke
I didnt mention -5/20%, are you replyin to the right person? ;3
Read the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing thread. You can play dumb all you want - your posts are either OT or wrong; take your pick.

The point stands that yes, people take shield for every element, and yes, they swap between them, and yes, this is more effective than -5/20%.

Little Shenanigan

Little Shenanigan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

i was selling a shield in kamadan, and the person was buying it for 60k. it had crap mods on it, and the person threw a fit because it wasn't -5/20, and only paid 58k for it. then they continued to whisper about how "u no wat perfect mods r" because i argued that perfect mods aren't -5/20.

two x knives style

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

P4nc4k트 F0rm4710n [쓰태]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniper22
Ya that's the point. Its much cheaper to buy 1 shield with a mod than 7 different ones, even if the +10 armor is better. Last time I checked, not many people want to buy 7 tormented shields. This belongs in the suggestion forum but anet needs an easier way to swap mods in and out of an item without the use of a perfect salvage kit.
/face palm

anet please make the game easier for us

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Shenanigan
i was selling a shield in kamadan, and the person was buying it for 60k. it had crap mods on it, and the person threw a fit because it wasn't -5/20, and only paid 58k for it. then they continued to whisper about how "u no wat perfect mods r" because i argued that perfect mods aren't -5/20.
It's amazing how dumb some people are (really, telling someone's a noob for not running -5/20... it's sad). I was in Kamadan earlier, had 2x -5/20% mods from shields I bought and hadn't bothered modding yet; they weren't on the market long. 14.5k made in less than 10 minutes. Hey, if they're willing to pay me good cash for things I don't need, I'm all for it.

And wow, for once I actually bought a shield that wasn't modded with -5/20% today.

I tend to pack up by area; if I'm somewhere I'm going to face much more fire damage than cold damage... I won't bother packing it up.

SPURLUXE

SPURLUXE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Japan

-5/20 is not best, but most versatile imo.
it does not reqire stance, enchantment, specific condition or damage type.
the only shield I have other than -5/20 is +10AL vs demons for DoA.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

I run a stance monk (resolve) with the -2 w/stance or +10 vs slashing, no interuptions and -2 off damage every hit, not to forget the 8ac the shield gives besides. I find there are less stance removers in the game than their are enchant removers thus stance is the best defense on a shield for my type of play. -5/20 is hardly better than a stance shield when playing stance characters. -5 off every 5 attacks vs -10 off every 5 attacks is pretty much a no brainer which one is the better mod.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toxage
Any player that sticks with only one shield FAILS, and needs to uninstall ASAP! Stop ruining my game!

Any players with an IQ above 2 have a whole inventory of shields to adapt to the situation.
I use only one shield for each attribute. My strength shield has uh.. 10vs slashing and tactics 10vs fire. Both pretty useless to me in PvE which is the only place I use my warrior, who is also my main. I should get -2 in stance really.

But yeah doesn't matter what the mod on the shield is, I shouldn't need it to survive and if it doesn't kill monsters in one hit, it won't be any easier for me. It's either hard or easy, no in between, no easier. That's how I see it at least, plus I log on and just stand in town now, so it doesn't really matter anyways.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nainoa
Only bad players think -5/20 is best on shields. Same with 20/20 sundering on low damage range martial weapons. Unfortunately this game is overflowing with bad players.
This.

There are better mods, but they require weaponswapping and actual attention to the game.

There is no reason to discuss further.