Shields.... -5/20 > All.
Dronte
For PvE, i usually use -5(20) because it doesnt require shield swapping, good for any conditions (even tho its crap actually).
For PvP, I obviously use +10 al shields but thats another thing.
For PvP, I obviously use +10 al shields but thats another thing.
I Phoenix I
Warriors usually have Strength shields? Or Tactics?
I Is Special
Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.
I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area.
To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh.
Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes
I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area.
To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh.
Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by I Is Special
Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.
I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area. To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh. Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes |
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
No there aren't.
Closest thing would be "Survival of the Fittest" +1...5 Armor vs Physical Damage but is for off-hands only. And in PvE someone can't be arsed having 7 slots of different shields so -5/20 is the easiest. In PvP you don't need your inventory empty so it's best to take a shield for every elemental/physical damage. |
Malice Black
Guru hasn't got anymore intelligent since my enforced vacation I see. Still good for the odd chuckle though
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
i have no problem with people liking the -5/20, even though it sucks.
why? because i have no personal use for it, but i can sell it for about 10k pretty easily. why complain? take advantage of the situation... |
MithranArkanere
Well, since there is no weapon upgrade trader, people will try to equip the most versatile upgrade.
Armor vs damage type or race is not versatile, neither under stances or enchantments.
Reduce conditions are not either, since not all monsters deal all conditions.
The only ones left without conditions that almost always are active for a warrior or paragon are +5 armor while attacking, +5 vs physical and +5 vs elemental, since almost all areas have quite some physical and elemental damagers and warriors attack most of the time.
How to solve this? Add weapon upgrade traders so switching inscription becomes easier as is done more often.
Armor vs damage type or race is not versatile, neither under stances or enchantments.
Reduce conditions are not either, since not all monsters deal all conditions.
The only ones left without conditions that almost always are active for a warrior or paragon are +5 armor while attacking, +5 vs physical and +5 vs elemental, since almost all areas have quite some physical and elemental damagers and warriors attack most of the time.
How to solve this? Add weapon upgrade traders so switching inscription becomes easier as is done more often.
crazybanshee
I love -5/20. Easy money, spam it for 8k and people line up to buy it.
Trylo
you people complaining about carrying 7 shields; why not use the obviously better -2 (Stance)?
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Trylo
you people complaining about carrying 7 shields; why not use the obviously better -2 (Stance)?
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slowerpoke
ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.
but wait! it also has lighening and physicals
WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up*
p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?
p.p.s. who makes ur luggage, does it have a pocket dimension with infinite space?
but wait! it also has lighening and physicals
WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up*
p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?
p.p.s. who makes ur luggage, does it have a pocket dimension with infinite space?
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by I Is Special
Everyone in the game is supposed to have all the +10a vs X, -2ench, -2stance, -5/20, -2ench/-2stance, -2ench/-3hex, and -2stance/-3 hex shields on EACH toon. Each physical class needs a Firey, icey, ebon, shocking, vamp, zealous, and sundering weapon. Physical classes should also have a variation of 15^50, 20v50, and 20^hexed with each of the aforementioned mods. In addition, casters are to have 3 other caster sets in their inventory at all time. If any of your characters share sets you are a noob. These are both to be done in PvE as well as PvP.
I'm Uber Pro so i have 13 shield sets on all 10 of my characters, i have 14 different weapons for all my physical classes, and perfect caster weapon sets for each of my casters. No weapons are shared between them--they all have their own sets which are carried into each area. To anyone who doesn't have the same items...Why are you gimping yourself? Sheesh. Edit: i forgot the condtion lessening shield inscrips. add a couple more shields to each of the classes |
You really don't need more than 4 weapon sets for any given build (it's really hard to use more anyway).
Set 1 is vamp/sundering depending on if you want DPS or spikes. Please note that sundering is only for axes/hammers/scythes. Set 2 is an elemental weapon. I use icy, because that's how I roll. Set 3 is zealous, for energy regen. Set 4 is a spear/longbow for pulling and/or building adrenaline at range. Mods/damage/req are unimportant.
For shields, a warrior is pretty much set with -2 stance and -20% blind, though the +10 inscriptions are handy if you're wealthy. There are only 7 of them. -Cripple has uses in PvP, but is crap in PvE. A caster should use -2 enchanted or +10 vs. slashing if you can only pick one. Damn near everything does slashing damage.
PvE casters need one defensive set, one set for each attribute they plan to use, and one high set, usually req. your primary attribute. It's really not that much junk when you break it all down.
Trylo
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Originally Posted by Tyla
Because not everyone runs stances and the extra armour actually equates to more defense. Twenty extra armour is around 25% damage mitigation.
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Tyla
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Originally Posted by Trylo
GG. if youre not running stances as a warrior i am going to suggest /uninstall. it was not asked to you (someone who would actually use the +10vsX), it was asked to the people who run -5/20 on a warrior. sorry if i didnt make that clear, i know you were only trying to help but you said condescending. if someone doesnt know 20 armor is 25% less damage by now they really should be /uninstalling too.
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Cherng Butter
I have -2/stance and +10 lightning, fire, and water shields. I was actually quite glad when I bought my tormented shield because it had a -5/20% on it, which I salvaged and sold for some decent cash
NoXiFy
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
so u guys carry about 7 different +10 armor shields rdy for just the moment you get hit with the specific type of dmg? ;3
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fowlero
Not so relevant to warriors this but i'll go ahead anyway.
For those worried about prices of having 7 different shields, this guy is pro. Then just add all your 7 inscriptions and you're away.
Plus they dye rather nicely.
For those worried about prices of having 7 different shields, this guy is pro. Then just add all your 7 inscriptions and you're away.
Plus they dye rather nicely.
Div
Rolling for r6 commander still means they're a shitter.
Aztec Mijo
i just use +10 vs fire, lightning, slashing and piercing
chance of having the right shield seems the same as 1 in 5 hits, assuming its physical, being reduced by 5. :\
chance of having the right shield seems the same as 1 in 5 hits, assuming its physical, being reduced by 5. :\
Diddy bow
well if you are going to get one pve shield may as well get an all rounder
I mean i dont shield switch in pve...
I mean i dont shield switch in pve...
Nainoa
Only bad players think -5/20 is best on shields. Same with 20/20 sundering on low damage range martial weapons. Unfortunately this game is overflowing with bad players.
byteme!
Sometimes it's not a matter of people knowing or not knowing that 20/5 is bad. A lot of people in this game don't have much cash to throw around and for them the logical reason is to buy something universally useful. That's where 20/5 mods come into play. Carry 1 shield that will carry you through until you can accumulate the necessary funds to purchase others. However if I had to pick I'd pick -2 while in stance as a universal choice seeing as though I'd be on my warrior who's quite often under a stance of some sort.
Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.
but wait! it also has lighening and physicals WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up* p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion? p.p.s. who makes ur luggage, does it have a pocket dimension with infinite space? |
First, -5/20% only reduces physical damage, so it's not doing anything for you against fire and lightning attacks either.
Second, you can tailor your shield choice based on the most threatening damage type. The guys with -5/20% just eat the damage like morons.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by byteme!
Sometimes it's not a matter of people knowing or not knowing that 20/5 is bad. A lot of people in this game don't have much cash to throw around and for them the logical reason is to buy something universally useful. That's where 20/5 mods come into play. Carry 1 shield that will carry you through until you can accumulate the necessary funds to purchase others. However if I had to pick I'd pick -2 while in stance as a universal choice seeing as though I'd be on my warrior who's quite often under a stance of some sort.
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lemming
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Rolling for r6 commander still means they're a shitter.
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RotteN
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
ok, so you have ur upteen shields in ur inv, and lo and behold, the next mob has fire attacks! easy choice.
but wait! it also has lighening and physicals WUT U GUNNA DO *hulks up* |
In PvP however i would carry a blind reduction shield most of the time. Swapping to +10 vs piercing when splitting in base / at VoD when there are a lot of archers left. In case i face a build with one type of damage, i'd swap to a shield countering that type of damage.
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
p.s. du have multiple sets of armor as well for every occasion?
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Guess it's time you hulk down and learn to play this game properly before you press ye good olde capslock again.
slowerpoke
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot.
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First, -5/20% ... |
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Originally Posted by RotteN
Guess it's time you hulk down and learn to play this game properly before you press ye good olde capslock again.
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Toxage
Any player that sticks with only one shield FAILS, and needs to uninstall ASAP! Stop ruining my game!
Any players with an IQ above 2 have a whole inventory of shields to adapt to the situation.
Any players with an IQ above 2 have a whole inventory of shields to adapt to the situation.
Kamakazi112
Its PvE ppl just mod it to make it look better or have more value even though its crap....
Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by slowerpoke
I didnt mention -5/20%, are you replyin to the right person? ;3
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The point stands that yes, people take shield for every element, and yes, they swap between them, and yes, this is more effective than -5/20%.
Little Shenanigan
i was selling a shield in kamadan, and the person was buying it for 60k. it had crap mods on it, and the person threw a fit because it wasn't -5/20, and only paid 58k for it. then they continued to whisper about how "u no wat perfect mods r" because i argued that perfect mods aren't -5/20.
two x knives style
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Originally Posted by Sniper22
Ya that's the point. Its much cheaper to buy 1 shield with a mod than 7 different ones, even if the +10 armor is better. Last time I checked, not many people want to buy 7 tormented shields. This belongs in the suggestion forum but anet needs an easier way to swap mods in and out of an item without the use of a perfect salvage kit.
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anet please make the game easier for us
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Little Shenanigan
i was selling a shield in kamadan, and the person was buying it for 60k. it had crap mods on it, and the person threw a fit because it wasn't -5/20, and only paid 58k for it. then they continued to whisper about how "u no wat perfect mods r" because i argued that perfect mods aren't -5/20.
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And wow, for once I actually bought a shield that wasn't modded with -5/20% today.
I tend to pack up by area; if I'm somewhere I'm going to face much more fire damage than cold damage... I won't bother packing it up.
SPURLUXE
-5/20 is not best, but most versatile imo.
it does not reqire stance, enchantment, specific condition or damage type.
the only shield I have other than -5/20 is +10AL vs demons for DoA.
it does not reqire stance, enchantment, specific condition or damage type.
the only shield I have other than -5/20 is +10AL vs demons for DoA.
Red Sonya
I run a stance monk (resolve) with the -2 w/stance or +10 vs slashing, no interuptions and -2 off damage every hit, not to forget the 8ac the shield gives besides. I find there are less stance removers in the game than their are enchant removers thus stance is the best defense on a shield for my type of play. -5/20 is hardly better than a stance shield when playing stance characters. -5 off every 5 attacks vs -10 off every 5 attacks is pretty much a no brainer which one is the better mod.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Toxage
Any player that sticks with only one shield FAILS, and needs to uninstall ASAP! Stop ruining my game!
Any players with an IQ above 2 have a whole inventory of shields to adapt to the situation. |
But yeah doesn't matter what the mod on the shield is, I shouldn't need it to survive and if it doesn't kill monsters in one hit, it won't be any easier for me. It's either hard or easy, no in between, no easier. That's how I see it at least, plus I log on and just stand in town now, so it doesn't really matter anyways.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Nainoa
Only bad players think -5/20 is best on shields. Same with 20/20 sundering on low damage range martial weapons. Unfortunately this game is overflowing with bad players.
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There are better mods, but they require weaponswapping and actual attention to the game.
There is no reason to discuss further.