OK so
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Suicidal_Impulse
I am disappointed this got cut. This is in the Factions Strategy Guide, is an awesome skill idea, and would make Shiro even more awesome if you added it to him in HM.
He could hex one of your guys, then banish him so he gets screwed for sure.
Here's reasons you should add it:
-The icon looks badass.
-It's fun
-It's balanced with his other skills
-It combos well with another skill on his skill bar in Factions
-The icon looks cool (very important)
-I was a sad panda ever since Factions came out because this got cut.
While we're on the subject, here's a bunch of other cool skills that you guys could add to stuff in HM. :|
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Command_of_Torment <--- would make HM areas with those guys even coooooooler.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Construct_Possession <--- I have no clue what would use this, but it sounds cool. DO IT.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Oracle_Link <--- see above. This sounds interesting o.O
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Queen_Armor and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Queen_Wail <--- anything to make the Junundu areas in HM harder.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rough_Current and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Turbulent_Flow <-- this isn't OP at all and at least makes the fight slightly tougher.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Summoning_of_the_Scepter <--- this sounds so cool.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Scepter_of_Ether <--- imba but I like it.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Star_Shards <-- very cool skill imo. Could be pretty strong if you get good monster groups made for it.
You know this would be great. The skill works, it obviously worked for the people doing the Strategy Guide, now bring it back!!
Petition to make Shiro as badass as he was meant to be
DarkNecrid
RotteN
voted no for the simple reason that i believe adding imbalanced moster-only skills is not the way you should go to make PvE "harder".
If they ever decide to add balanced monster groups and better AI, and it's still too easy, then you might consider adding imba skills.
If they ever decide to add balanced monster groups and better AI, and it's still too easy, then you might consider adding imba skills.
DarkNecrid
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voted no for the simple reason that i believe adding imbalanced moster-only skills is not the way you should go to make PvE "harder".
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MithranArkanere
Doing something and never adding i is a shame.
Even just reusing the skill icons for something else would be nice.
Even just reusing the skill icons for something else would be nice.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Doing something and never adding i is a shame.
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Dark Paladin X
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Impossible Odds+ Battle Scars. Shiro is already hard as it is. And don't forget Meditation of the Reaper.
Impossible Odds+ Battle Scars. Shiro is already hard as it is. And don't forget Meditation of the Reaper.
DarkNecrid
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uh:
Impossible Odds+ Battle Scars. Shiro is already hard as it is. And don't forget Meditation of the Reaper. |
Tyla
/Signed for the badass etiquite. I've always wanted to say that.
Akaraxle
Give Shiro this imo.
Accursed
/signed - Shiro should be badass.
upier
Sweet baby Jesus.
This!
Over and over again!
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voted no for the simple reason that i believe adding imbalanced moster-only skills is not the way you should go to make PvE "harder".
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Over and over again!
Monkey Slayer
No. Reason: That skill would mess the mission up so bad. EVERYONE would have to attack Shiro, including monks, which leads to the risk of 1) the monk gets banished and party wipes, 2) monk gets targetted and dies causing a party wipe, or 3) monk doesn't attack shiro and loses half of their health.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Monkey Slayer
No. Reason: That skill would mess the mission up so bad. EVERYONE would have to attack Shiro, including monks, which leads to the risk of 1) the monk gets banished and party wipes, 2) monk gets targetted and dies causing a party wipe, or 3) monk doesn't attack shiro and loses half of their health.
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-Makai-
Or they could make him a badass by cleaning up his horrid dialogue.
His current status is good enough--a decent challenge if you know what you're doing.
His current status is good enough--a decent challenge if you know what you're doing.
Luminarus
The problem with that skill is if he uses it, right at the same time as he just took say 100 damage from rodgorts invocation, had battle scars up, and the one that teleports him to whoever he attacks him, if a monk wands him (and has any adjacents) then he will steal 100 x 2 for his dual attacks, for each of them. If 2 people are next to each other, thats 400 to each of them. Most people have 600 HP, so unless the team is smart with that skill, they are screwed. In my opinion, they replaced it with meditation of the reaper.
Most of the skills you mentioned looked like they got replaced anyway. The margonite ones resemble abbadons call, and favor, the torment one resembles call to the torment except far more imba. If you miss a call it sucks, but is dealable. Imagine if you missed that skil... it would be like great... im an 8 man party, they were an 8 man party, now they 12... wtf
Not signed for the gay nature of most of those skills, the fact that they were replaced, and the fact that shiro has been out nrly 2.5yrs, its too late to change him.
Most of the skills you mentioned looked like they got replaced anyway. The margonite ones resemble abbadons call, and favor, the torment one resembles call to the torment except far more imba. If you miss a call it sucks, but is dealable. Imagine if you missed that skil... it would be like great... im an 8 man party, they were an 8 man party, now they 12... wtf
Not signed for the gay nature of most of those skills, the fact that they were replaced, and the fact that shiro has been out nrly 2.5yrs, its too late to change him.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
The problem with that skill is if he uses it, right at the same time as he just took say 100 damage from rodgorts invocation, had battle scars up, and the one that teleports him to whoever he attacks him, if a monk wands him (and has any adjacents) then he will steal 100 x 2 for his dual attacks, for each of them. If 2 people are next to each other, thats 400 to each of them. Most people have 600 HP, so unless the team is smart with that skill, they are screwed. In my opinion, they replaced it with meditation of the reaper.
Most of the skills you mentioned looked like they got replaced anyway. The margonite ones resemble abbadons call, and favor, the torment one resembles call to the torment except far more imba. If you miss a call it sucks, but is dealable. Imagine if you missed that skil... it would be like great... im an 8 man party, they were an 8 man party, now they 12... wtf Not signed for the gay nature of most of those skills, the fact that they were replaced, and the fact that shiro has been out nrly 2.5yrs, its too late to change him. |
TheodenKing
All they have to do to give Shiro some more umph is nerf Ursan.
/seeyounextfriday
/seeyounextfriday
FoxBat
What am I missing? It looks like the skill got cut merely because it was useless. You have a whopping 10 seconds to just swing your wand once and stop all damage. There are situations where that could screw you, but that is rare.
Angmar Kapitanya
Give Shiro this skill.
Earth
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His current status is good enough--a decent challenge if you know what you're doing.
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Any attacking character would just ping the skill, everyone would see it, everyone would hit him, and the challenge is gone again. Meh.
zelgadissan
I've said this in other Sardelac posts - I'm up for anything that throws the game a curveball nowadays. They've already halfway implemented it, I would love to see stuff like this put in.
/signed for every last one of them.
/signed for every last one of them.
David Wooding
I voted no...
My reasons:
1) You shouldn't add a skill just because "It's badass" and "the icon looks good" The skills Shiro has balance each other out, by making him stronger in one way but more susceptible to other things. If every skill in Guild Wars was added just because of their appearance and effect, it wouldn't be a very good game.
2) To be honest, Shiro is hard enough as it is, it can take a good few attempts sometimes to get the masters on that mission, especially with PUGs.
3) The skill itself, the skill LOOKS like it could be really fragile (not an experts diagnosis there), and there could be countless bugs that could arise making the mission nearly impossible.
My reasons:
1) You shouldn't add a skill just because "It's badass" and "the icon looks good" The skills Shiro has balance each other out, by making him stronger in one way but more susceptible to other things. If every skill in Guild Wars was added just because of their appearance and effect, it wouldn't be a very good game.
2) To be honest, Shiro is hard enough as it is, it can take a good few attempts sometimes to get the masters on that mission, especially with PUGs.
3) The skill itself, the skill LOOKS like it could be really fragile (not an experts diagnosis there), and there could be countless bugs that could arise making the mission nearly impossible.
JupiterStarWarrior
Shiro is tough as it is; he shouldn't be any more difficult (Hard Mode or Normal Mode) than he already is.
DarkNecrid
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Shiro is tough as it is; he shouldn't be any more difficult (Hard Mode or Normal Mode) than he already is.
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Anyone saying no clearly doesn't understand what badass means. I mean come on, badassery sells games. Clearly. Plus the icon is cool. I bet that's why they cut the skill, the icon is so cool and badass, the skill monitor explodes upon displaying it.
Tyla
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2) To be honest, Shiro is hard enough as it is, it can take a good few attempts sometimes to get the masters on that mission, especially with PUGs.
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sickle of carnage
I voted no. You don't add a skill because it looks cool.
JupiterStarWarrior
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No he isn't. He is a mediocre boss. Take Anti Melee. Hooray you win.
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Anyone saying no clearly doesn't understand what badass means. I mean come on, badassery sells games. Clearly. Plus the icon is cool. I bet that's why they cut the skill, the icon is so cool and badass, the skill monitor explodes upon displaying it.
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Bryant Again
On Shiro: YES PLEASE. Wild Blow should not lead to victolyyy, plus it sounds more fun.
On the rest: Holy shit that all looks awesome. Sign me up for Nightmare mode, please sir.
Seeing as we've already seen more balanced and intelligent mobs in the later releases, the only way I'd be challenged at this point is from either balls-to-the-walls impossible AI or huge roadblocks.
On the rest: Holy shit that all looks awesome. Sign me up for Nightmare mode, please sir.
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voted no for the simple reason that i believe adding imbalanced moster-only skills is not the way you should go to make PvE "harder".
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Tyla
He isn't being "Mr. Elite", he's being "Mr. Not Bad At The Game".
Seriously, Shiro is a joke of a boss and even moreso in Nightfall. Anti-melee wins against him full stop.
Seriously, Shiro is a joke of a boss and even moreso in Nightfall. Anti-melee wins against him full stop.
Bryant Again
In NF for Shiro, all I did was kite.
Man, in retrospect that mission was soooo unepic.
Man, in retrospect that mission was soooo unepic.
JupiterStarWarrior
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He isn't being "Mr. Elite", he's being "Mr. Not Bad At The Game".
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sickle of carnage
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I'm not "bad at the game", even if I do say so myself
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X Joey X
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I'm not "bad at the game", even if I do say so myself; I'm just not an Elite.
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Just bring a couple of nec hereos with SV, SS and other melee hate. Also bring a derv hero with wild blow and wounding strike if you can't stop his stance yourself. Oh and bring the war hench, Storm of Swords rocks
FlamingMetroid
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He isn't being "Mr. Elite", he's being "Mr. Not Bad At The Game".
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/signed to make him harder, I've beat him in under a minute before and probably less than 30 seconds
Targren
/signed to make him harder
/notsighed to make him harder by giving him 5x more HP than god, an AOE that does 700 armor ignoring damage, a long distance AoE multi-condition strike, and invulnerability to non-silver weapons.
/notsighed to make him harder by giving him 5x more HP than god, an AOE that does 700 armor ignoring damage, a long distance AoE multi-condition strike, and invulnerability to non-silver weapons.
JupiterStarWarrior
I want it on record that, as I stated in a previous post, I actually did defeat him with my Assassin (I think I actually did it in Hard Mode, not 100% sure, though, but I could always give it a try; been awhile since I've played my Assassin) on my own.
sickle of carnage
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I want it on record that, as I stated in a previous post, I actually did defeat him with my Assassin (I think I actually did it in Hard Mode, not 100% sure, though, but I could always give it a try; been awhile since I've played my Assassin) on my own.
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Just yanking your chain
JupiterStarWarrior
o_O; Ironically, no. I only took advice of my guild mates for my Assassin's build; it's a Death Blossom/Moebius Strike combo build. >_>
Targren
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o_O; Ironically, no. I only took advice of my guild mates for my Assassin's build; it's a Death Blossom/Moebius Strike combo build. >_>
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We've got us an avant-garde trendsetter here, folks.
I'm just playin'.
FlamingMetroid
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it's a Death Blossom/Moebius Strike combo build. >_>
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