Pay to Undedicate Dedicated Miniatures

My idea is fairly simple. Have an NPC that will undedicate any dedicated miniature for a price depending on it's color.

• White - 10K
• Purple - 25k
• Gold - 50/75K
• Green - 100K

The only problem with this system is those über rare miniatures which sell for loads of money, if necessary they could exclude them. This unruins IMO ruined miniatures without allowing people to abuse the Monument of Devotion. Suggestions, thoughts?

Sorry but its a bit of a silly idea really.

Dedicating doesn't "ruin" minis, it is effectivly you saying "this mini is MY mini".

Even if you just had this effect not so rare mini pets, a pet would still end up dedicated in loads of different people's Halls, which i think defeats the point of putting a pet in there.

I like knowing that MY Ceratadon can only ever be seen in MY hall and will only ever be seen in MY hall

Dedicated miniatures can still be used by other people, it doesn't work like customization works. The only reason Dedication exists is to prevent people from abusing the Monument of Devotion. All miniatures look the same, your Ceratadon looks exactly the same as mine does. It only ruins the miniatures in my opinion, your opinion is allowed to differ from mine. Practically it won't ever be implimented so that doesn't matter, I'm only intrested in other people's ideas.

The whole idea of the hall of monuments is that it is a monument to YOUR achievements, not someone elses achievement that you've "undedicated" so you can show it too. If this was implemented, which I doubt it will, the prices of minipets would go down dramatically, therefore ruining a major section of the GW economy.

IMO: Stupid idea.

I'd rather have an option to REMOVE stuff from the Hall, so that perhaps you could remove dedication AND exposition alltogether.

People sell undedicated miniatures all the time so your point about "YOUR archievements" is completely void. The Monument of Devotion is a moneypit nothing more, nothing less. Most miniatures can be bought for less money from players than my undedication NPC. Even the difference people sell undedicated versus decated miniatures is cheaper for most miniatures. Hence why my NPC will have no negative influence on the economy. Personally the insane profits made over über rare miniatures is a much bigger GW economic concern in my opinion. The only thing my idea may negatively impact is these über rare miniatures, although I'm not sure.

Any intresting thought but what if people reaped the reward from the monument in GW2 and then removed all their miniatures from the monument? Obviously there would have to be something to prevent this but otherwise also an excelent idea I may add.

Is "WTB Unded Mursaat, 25k" really an "achievement"?

Would it cheapen Hall of Monuments? Yes
Would I really care? No
Would others really care? I'm sure some would.

It all depends on the person.

Personally, I say /sign, but I'm pretty sure I'll be in the minority.

100k for a Kuunavang...?
Hm... nah...
I'd rather put the CE in the GW shop and let new ones enter the game than making Kuunavangs circle around all HoM like books in a library.

no
has been already proposed and stupid
would stir up the mini market as well
/notsigned

/notsigned as it more or less kills Monument of Devotion. I would /sign it the "undedicating" process was only possible for the person who dedicated it and if the miniature would be removed from that person's HoM. And you need another set of prices for "limited edition" minis.

/notsigned... it sounds like a waste of money and if it's not a waste of money it is a waste of time...
and time is money

I don't think you'll get anything concrete as a reward, not something you can take and never give back. So if the "achievement" is removed from your HoM, you'll also loose whatever reward you have obtained with it.

Sorry, no! You paid good money for it even though it was a bad idea. So you get to keep it. I think dedicated pets are the biggest waste of cash in the game.

/unsigned

You bought dedicated, now buy unded or get lost ;d Jk, that's just a bad idea.

/no/unsigned/not a good idea

the whole purpose of that Monument is to demonstrate that you have worked to accomplish something... it's meant to be somewhat of a challenge... if you really think it's a good idea to be able to fill your HoM with 20 miniatures and then turn around and undedicate them to sell or to refill it for someone else than I have no words to describe your situation sir/maam

As I've said in other suggestion sections, there is only ONE way I would admit something like this:

1.- The Monument of Devotion becomes account wide.
2.- Accounts must have more that 1 of that miniature before the change to account wide.
3.- Players must have one already dedicated copy of that miniature for each miniature of that kind they want to un-dedicate..
4.- The character can un-dedicate SURPLUS miniatures and ONLY the SURPLUS.

For example:
- You dedicated 1 Hydras: You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 6 Wallows. You have no dedicated wallows in your inventory. You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 3 Siege Turtles. You have 1 dedicated Siege Turle in your inventory. You can undedicate ONE Siege turtle.
- You dedicated 2 Necrid Horsemen. You have 4 dedicated Necrid Horsemen. You can undedicate 1
Necrid Horsmen.

That way and ONLY that. Otherwise, not.

This would not be a good change, even for surplus miniatures. It would only devalue the miniatures and cheapen HoM dedications.

This is as bad a change as wanting to uncustomize weapons.

Hmm, ok please read the thread and don't just skim through it please. Let me say it again since it doesn't seem to be evident, you have to pay to undedicate miniatures, just in case that wasn't totally clear.

1. It does not devalue the monument. The majority of miniatures can be bought for much cheaper prices than my suggested prices. It is in fact much cheaper to just buy miniatures (excluding über rare ones) to fill the monument.
2. I question how much of an accomplishement is it to fill the monument? You either do absolutely nothing with a bunch of characters for a few years and get them for free, or you buy them from other players simular to how my idea works (only that mine is more expensive in most cases). So what exactly did you accomplish by not using my idea? You have accomplished that you can wait a really long time, or you have accomplished that you have enough social skills to buy them from other players? Wow, impressive
3. It is not cost effective to undedicated miniatures (excluding über rare ones) and try to resell them. In most cases it's more cost effective to just sell the dedicated miniature instead. you have to pay to undedicate miniatures. For that reason there will be no extra increase in miniatures since it would cost the player more to undedicate them first.

How is that different from what the monument is now?
Noone would force you to use it so?

I like this idea better then the OP.

Simple. Cannot remove after the GW1 account is linked to a GW2 account. Also, make it so you have to have the mini pet and it was you who dedicated it.

But to go on my thoughts for why this should not happen. If you dedicated it, you were warned, sell it to someone who wants mini pets but doesn't care if they're dedicated (still a few out there). If you didn't dedicate it, your fault for buying it.

I'll /sign for this idea too.

Ehhhh why?


If you don't want a dedicated miniature, don't dedicate it or buy one that isn't dedicated...?

Wow, then you could totally pay to uncustomize weapons, maybe even armor etc etc. Nah, just buy the mini's unded. Sucks that some are really rare, I'll never be able to afford em, but this is just silly.

I am not convinced that this is needed.

/notsigned

Easily exploitable, i don't think it's a good idea.

/notsigned

@ anyone saying uncustomizeable weapons/armor/whatever: That's not what I'm argueing eventhough there are certain simularities there are also major differences between the two subjects. Therefor I'm not argueing them (I could but I'm not going to).

Your idea is much more exploitable than mine. All I have to do is buy one starter dedicated miniature which I can never sell, then I just always buy two dedicated miniatures, undedicated one and resell both. As long as the price of two dedicated miniatures is cheaper than one undedicated miniature (as there are some now) I can keep abusing your system. Therefor your system would have an economical impact, mine would not. Also your system would need an additional way of telling which miniatures can be used to undedicate and which can not, making the system even more complex. For these reasons I can't support your idea.

I realize my price list isn't optimal either but I'm not going through the trouble of writing a detailed price list for something I know will never make it in the game. This is purely a theoretic argument, a "What if?" argument if you will.

It's not exploitable that was my entire point. If you do believe it's exploitable explain to me how.

Once again, this is as bad as wanting to uncustomize customized weapons.

Let's say that it would cost X gold to undedicate a mini whose current undedicated and dedicated market values are Vu and Vd, respectively.

If X >= Vu - Vd there's no point in undedicating since you can always get a new one cheaper or at the same price from the market.

If X < Vu - Vd you're effectively exploiting the system.

Doesn't leave much wiggle room.

The bolded part.
Otherwise /not signed.

What? You didn't understand what I wrote. Read it again.

If you buy one dedicated miniature, you can't dedicate it. You must have already dedicated miniatures.
Once the monument becomes account wide, the system would count how many of them were in the account, and save that.
Then, you'll be able to remove the surplus ones:
You had 3 Hydras, can un-dedicate 2:
- Undedicate 1, you have 1 remaining.
- Undedicate another one, you can't undedicate anymore, the third hydra stays in the monument of devotion no matter what you do.
So you can't do anything 'always'.
Dedicate one miniature, get two undedicated and you can't do ANYTHING.
Get 2 non-dedicated. Dedicate them both and you can only undedicate ONE.
And after the monument of devotion ecomes account wide, you woulld be able to recover the extra ones, like if only one miniature of each type had bee dedicated to the monument.

The monument is not account wide (now):
- You have 3 hydras not dedicated.
- You dedicate the 3 hydras with 3 different characters to their respective monuments.
- You can't undedicate any.
- You end up with 3 dedicated hydras items, and 3 hydras dedicated in 3 different monuments of 3 different characters.
- Now wait for the HoM update

The monument becomes account wide (after the update):
- The system counts how many hydras were dedicated in the account.
- The system counts 3.
- Since there can be only 1 hydra dedicated per account, you can recover now 2 hydras.
- You undedicate 2 hydras by giving away 2 dedicated hydras to the monument.
- You can't undedicate any more hydras. Since there are no more 'surplus' over 1.
- You can't dedicate any more hydras. There is already one in the account. You'll have to sell, give away, discard, trade to other account the other 2 miniatures, or just keep them in the storage. Whatever you like most..
- You end up with 1 dedicated and 2 undedicated hydras items, and 1 hydra dedicated for the whole account.

My idea would make things like should have been since the release of EotN. It would a 'refund' like with the gems in the Anguish. You won't create anything. You'll recover the ones you won't have dedicated if the monument was account-wide from the startay.

So my idea affects only those that have dedicated the same miniature with more than one character, and those ONLY.

If you just want to remove any dedicated miniature without conditions at all, sorry, but NO. If you had just one miniature, you should thing through before dedicating it, and if you mistook the character, after such an update, it won't mind which character dedicated the miniature, it would have been account wide, so there won't be any reason to remove the last miniature from the account.

I would only accept a refund, only for the surplus of miniatures and only if the monument becomes account wide.