...that never got it?
Personally, I have a small handful I would have loved to see buffed, that are still pretty useless.
[Locust's Fury]
[Avatar of Balthazar]
[Primal Rage]
[Ravenous Gaze]
[Peace and Harmony]
What were you hoping to see buffed...
Axel Zinfandel
Tyla
[blessed light][boon signet][double dragon][star burst][auspicious parry]
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lordheinous
Pve dervishes got the short end of the stick imo; only three "buffs", one of which is actually a nerf no matter how you look at it, one which is a sub-par ias and speed buff, especially considering the non-elite versions of both already available to dervishes, and one of which is for niche builds.
In other words, I was hoping for some kind of worthwhile buffs that would actually make pve dervishes a competitive class for elite areas; unfortunately, didn't happen.
In other words, I was hoping for some kind of worthwhile buffs that would actually make pve dervishes a competitive class for elite areas; unfortunately, didn't happen.
Magikarp
in short: everything.
in detail: Boon Sig, Life Sheath, AoF (yay!), Tease (double yay!), LB sig nonelite (luck? lol), Balths Pendulum, Onslaught (um?), The Power is Yours (double um?), Whirling Axe, Palm Strike, Wastrels Worry, and Mirror of Ice (er?)
in detail: Boon Sig, Life Sheath, AoF (yay!), Tease (double yay!), LB sig nonelite (luck? lol), Balths Pendulum, Onslaught (um?), The Power is Yours (double um?), Whirling Axe, Palm Strike, Wastrels Worry, and Mirror of Ice (er?)
silavor
The three useless-to-normal-human-beings mind skills. You know what I'm talking about, the deadly-powerful ones when equiped on a monster but hurt you more often than not when you yourself equip them.
Gill Halendt
How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?
-Makai-
[second wind], anyone?
More than anything, I'd really like Spawning Power, Communing and spirits in general to get looked at. Reverting spirit health and burning immunity in PvE would be a start. Most of my fellow Ritualists seem to be in agreement.
More than anything, I'd really like Spawning Power, Communing and spirits in general to get looked at. Reverting spirit health and burning immunity in PvE would be a start. Most of my fellow Ritualists seem to be in agreement.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?
its not useless necessarily, but its pretty much garbage compared to Lyssa, Dwanya, and Melandru.
-Lotus-
[Avatar of Grenth]
[Double Dragon]
[Wastrel's Collapse]
[Locust's Fury]
[Seeping Wound]
[Second Wind]
[Peace and Harmony]
[Decapitate]
[Charging Strike]
[Hundred Blades]
[Blessed Light]
[Boon Signet]
[Amity]
[Depravity]
[Animate Flesh Golem] (just because it sees play dosnt mean it dosnt suck)
[Star Burst]
[Stone Sheath]
[Energy Boon]
[Ether Prism]
[Grenth's Grasp]
[Avatar of Balthazar]
and
Fast casting in Pve
and
The entire health degen/regen mechanic. its terrible compared to any other source of DPS/HPS and every degen/regen skill in the game is crap. its ridiculous. at least make this 3 hps/dps instead of 2.
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
[Double Dragon]
[Wastrel's Collapse]
[Locust's Fury]
[Seeping Wound]
[Second Wind]
[Peace and Harmony]
[Decapitate]
[Charging Strike]
[Hundred Blades]
[Blessed Light]
[Boon Signet]
[Amity]
[Depravity]
[Animate Flesh Golem] (just because it sees play dosnt mean it dosnt suck)
[Star Burst]
[Stone Sheath]
[Energy Boon]
[Ether Prism]
[Grenth's Grasp]
[Avatar of Balthazar]
and
Fast casting in Pve
and
The entire health degen/regen mechanic. its terrible compared to any other source of DPS/HPS and every degen/regen skill in the game is crap. its ridiculous. at least make this 3 hps/dps instead of 2.
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How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?
it gives three effects:
holy damage: no one cares, because if you dont suck you're already using [Aura of Holy Might]
speed boost: almost totally useless in PvE. only needed for a short time if it ever is.
armor bonus: this is the only useful one nd if need armor great dwarf armor or conviction work just fine.
its not worth the elite slot when you have things like melandru, wounding, lyssa and dwanya.
holy damage: no one cares, because if you dont suck you're already using [Aura of Holy Might]
speed boost: almost totally useless in PvE. only needed for a short time if it ever is.
armor bonus: this is the only useful one nd if need armor great dwarf armor or conviction work just fine.
its not worth the elite slot when you have things like melandru, wounding, lyssa and dwanya.
Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
its not useless necessarily, but its pretty much garbage compared to Lyssa, Dwanya, and Melandru.
What he said.
In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/)
In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/)
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
What he said.
In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/) Mmhh ok, three skills - one of which is a PvE-only skill - to replicate just one. Sub par, maybe, but "useless" is a bit too much.
Mind you I don't use it and I rarely play my derv anyway. Just asking.
In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/) Mmhh ok, three skills - one of which is a PvE-only skill - to replicate just one. Sub par, maybe, but "useless" is a bit too much.
Mind you I don't use it and I rarely play my derv anyway. Just asking.
Tyla
The PvE-only skill also boosts your damage by about 25%.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Tyla
The PvE-only skill also boosts your damage by about 25%.
That's not the point. You can use it along with any avatar.
Kale Ironfist
It's not the fact that the effects of AoB can be replicated with other skills, it's the fact that TWO of the THREE effects aren't needed. If you wanted to deal holy damage, you'd have Aura of Holy Might already (which also boosts your damage output by up to 32DR).
Speed Boost isn't needed except maybe in Hard Mode, since mobs tend to not kite effectively. Even if they do, a snare (most are -50% movement speed) is far stronger than 33% IMS that only affects you.
So, you have effectively taken an elite that gives you +40 armor. Ask yourself, was that worth it?
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Speed Boost isn't needed except maybe in Hard Mode, since mobs tend to not kite effectively. Even if they do, a snare (most are -50% movement speed) is far stronger than 33% IMS that only affects you.
So, you have effectively taken an elite that gives you +40 armor. Ask yourself, was that worth it?
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xeuroli
A monk spell called spellshield which as monk I never used ever.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist
So, you have effectively taken an elite that gives you +40 armor. Ask yourself, was that worth it?
I see your point.
How would you change it? What kind of benefits do you think this avatar should include?
How would you change it? What kind of benefits do you think this avatar should include?
High Moral
I like the fact the elite people like the board warriors say Balthazar needs to be upgraded, yet all noob dervishes uses it.. Its probably the most used avatar.
So, PLEASE DONT buff it, if they do more people would use it.....and....no...noooooooooooooo!
So, PLEASE DONT buff it, if they do more people would use it.....and....no...noooooooooooooo!
Xenomortis
The Blood Magic line.
Vampiric Spirit got a potentially useful change (and it was godly while the bug was in effect), but apart from that, it's pretty much forsaken.
Vampiric Spirit got a potentially useful change (and it was godly while the bug was in effect), but apart from that, it's pretty much forsaken.
Xx Da Best Xx
[whirling axe]
[skull crack]
[punishing shot]
[quick shot]
[withdraw hexes]
[word of censure]
all im listing for now...Most of them are pretty useless
[skull crack]
[punishing shot]
[quick shot]
[withdraw hexes]
[word of censure]
all im listing for now...Most of them are pretty useless
TheodenKing
lol @ dervs...
complaining about Avatar of Balth.... priceless.
complaining about Avatar of Balth.... priceless.
Zahr Dalsk
Spawning Power. I'd have liked to see it completely reworked.
Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by TheodenKing
lol @ dervs...
complaining about Avatar of Balth.... priceless. I'm not saying that AoB sucks completely, it's just a lot less favorable becuase it can be replicated easily by a few simple skills (even moreso in PvE). I still would like to see it get changed to have maybe a damage bonus or AP and IAS (not added on of course. That would make it a bit more on par with the other forms, and more like the nature of the form..
complaining about Avatar of Balth.... priceless. I'm not saying that AoB sucks completely, it's just a lot less favorable becuase it can be replicated easily by a few simple skills (even moreso in PvE). I still would like to see it get changed to have maybe a damage bonus or AP and IAS (not added on of course. That would make it a bit more on par with the other forms, and more like the nature of the form..
Chaos Kurow
I don't care about buffs, I think they should leave majority of the things as they are. Wota was perfectly fine the way it was...then they had to go introduce a speed buff to it which in turn caused massive use of it with scythe and spear builds and that led to the most ridiculous nerf it could have gotten (being only available while using daggers). Now the skill is useless as you don't even receive the critical % for other weapons. An assassin using a dagger could do a much better job without using wota and using a better elite in its place. Wota requires level 15 JUST for 20% speed and the bonus critical is basically a useless addition for dagger based assassins.
Lishy
[hundred blades]
/Twelve chars
/Twelve chars
Marverick
[Ray of Judgment] this skill just epic sucks...
[Healing Hands] see above
[Peace and Harmony] see above two
[Quick Shot] I'd like to see a +damage added to it, not really worth taking right now with Penetrating & Sundering Attack out there
[Ferocious Strike] increase damage, right now it's just completely overshadowed by Enraged Lunge and even more so with the newly buffed Scavenger Strike. Or make it cause cracked armor.
[Expert's Dexterity] would've been better to just lower the energy boost... now it's even more useless than before
[Healing Hands] see above
[Peace and Harmony] see above two
[Quick Shot] I'd like to see a +damage added to it, not really worth taking right now with Penetrating & Sundering Attack out there
[Ferocious Strike] increase damage, right now it's just completely overshadowed by Enraged Lunge and even more so with the newly buffed Scavenger Strike. Or make it cause cracked armor.
[Expert's Dexterity] would've been better to just lower the energy boost... now it's even more useless than before
Marty Silverblade
Yet another skill balance goes past without [[Hundred Blades] getting buffed. It's honestly not that hard to add some +damage or something.
Gill Halendt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
I still would like to see it get changed to have maybe a damage bonus or AP and IAS (not added on of course. That would make it a bit more on par with the other forms, and more like the nature of the form..
Damage bonus could be fine, but AL bonus must be toned down or removed then.
+40AC bonus is a HUGE boost already. With also a Damage Bonus in place you could potentially get +100% damage with AoB+AoHM together, 110+ unstrippable armor level, while also retaining a fully usable skillbar.
Put Eternal Aura to make this mantainable indefinitely... And there you go, nothing's gonna stop this.
No, thanks.
+40AC bonus is a HUGE boost already. With also a Damage Bonus in place you could potentially get +100% damage with AoB+AoHM together, 110+ unstrippable armor level, while also retaining a fully usable skillbar.
Put Eternal Aura to make this mantainable indefinitely... And there you go, nothing's gonna stop this.
No, thanks.
-Lotus-
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
Damage bonus could be fine, but AL bonus must be toned down or removed then.
+40AC bonus is a HUGE boost already. With also a Damage Bonus in place you could potentially get +100% damage with AoB+AoHM together, 110+ unstrippable armor level, while also retaining a fully usable skillbar.
Put Eternal Aura to make this mantainable indefinitely... And there you go, nothing's gonna stop this.
No, thanks. the +40 armor is meh. addidional armor is useless when you have SY.
+40AC bonus is a HUGE boost already. With also a Damage Bonus in place you could potentially get +100% damage with AoB+AoHM together, 110+ unstrippable armor level, while also retaining a fully usable skillbar.
Put Eternal Aura to make this mantainable indefinitely... And there you go, nothing's gonna stop this.
No, thanks. the +40 armor is meh. addidional armor is useless when you have SY.
Seventh_Samurai
Hrm...I disagree with a few skills listed here by others.
[Healing Hands] is alright...not great, but alright. Useful in steel wall.
[Depravity] does NOT need a buff. At least, not for PvP, where it's scary powerful against casters. Obviously since e-denial is pointless in PvE, it could use something there, but not PvP, please.
As for the elites most in need of buff?
[Quick Shot][Amity][Seeping Wound] are the ones that come to mind offhand
[Healing Hands] is alright...not great, but alright. Useful in steel wall.
[Depravity] does NOT need a buff. At least, not for PvP, where it's scary powerful against casters. Obviously since e-denial is pointless in PvE, it could use something there, but not PvP, please.
As for the elites most in need of buff?
[Quick Shot][Amity][Seeping Wound] are the ones that come to mind offhand
-Lotus-
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventh_Samurai
Hrm...I disagree with a few skills listed here by others.
[Healing Hands] is alright...not great, but alright. Useful in steel wall. really? Healing hands is just silly. Healing seed outclasses it as a monk skill because its non-elite. all it does is encourage people to use healing prayers on front liners.
[Healing Hands] is alright...not great, but alright. Useful in steel wall. really? Healing hands is just silly. Healing seed outclasses it as a monk skill because its non-elite. all it does is encourage people to use healing prayers on front liners.
upier
I am still hoping we will once see a reworked cursing elite which will be a combo of [enfeebling blood] and [shadow of fear].
Snow Bunny
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IT WAS THE ONE MONK ELITE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUFFED. IT'S A FUN ELITE, A WELL-THOUGHT OUT ELITE, AND A BALANCE-ABLE ELITE.
If you can't tell, I am sufficiently annoyed that the one elite I cared about, the only skill I wanted a buff for, didn't get buffed.
IT WAS THE ONE MONK ELITE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUFFED. IT'S A FUN ELITE, A WELL-THOUGHT OUT ELITE, AND A BALANCE-ABLE ELITE.
If you can't tell, I am sufficiently annoyed that the one elite I cared about, the only skill I wanted a buff for, didn't get buffed.
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
IT WAS THE ONE MONK ELITE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUFFED. IT'S A FUN ELITE, A WELL-THOUGHT OUT ELITE, AND A BALANCE-ABLE ELITE.
If you can't tell, I am sufficiently annoyed that the one elite I cared about, the only skill I wanted a buff for, didn't get buffed.
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they also needed a buff imo
Keero89
I think some of Tactics line should be reworked. Probably 60% of the non-elite Paragaon skills are full of fail. Lyrics? C'mon. It's nice to be an Imbagon and all, but I would like some variety that isn't dull. Fast Casting needs more skills for Core/Prophecies. Blood Magic does need to be reworked. And I would like to see more PBAoE's like Death Swarm. It's a pretty cool skill.
Murmel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?
Exactly what I was going to say.. I find it great, especially for running simple areas without slowing hexes (or loads of hexes in general). And it's mighty good for fighting undead since AoB makes your attacks will deal Holy Damage.
Anyway.
I hoped to se [Ravenous Gaze][Cleave] Yes I know it's decent but want it even better hehe...
Have some more in my head that I can't remember atm...
Anyway.
I hoped to se [Ravenous Gaze][Cleave] Yes I know it's decent but want it even better hehe...
Have some more in my head that I can't remember atm...
Xenomortis
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keero89
And I would like to see more PBAoE's like Death Swarm. It's a pretty cool skill.
I'm pretty sure Deathly Swarm isn't point blank. :P
It's nice, but it's a shame it is let down by the fact it deals cold damage.
It's also a shame Vampiric Swarm has such a high energy cost and recharge.
I agree with [Ravenous Gaze] needing a buff. In its current form, it just promotes suicidal play.
It's nice, but it's a shame it is let down by the fact it deals cold damage.
It's also a shame Vampiric Swarm has such a high energy cost and recharge.
I agree with [Ravenous Gaze] needing a buff. In its current form, it just promotes suicidal play.
sean520
spawning power needs a buff, its a terrible primary attribute. lol
also, bring back rit spirits! theres completly nerfed! they were fun to play, and great support.
also, bring back rit spirits! theres completly nerfed! they were fun to play, and great support.
JONO51
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Moral
I like the fact the elite people like the board warriors say Balthazar needs to be upgraded, yet all noob dervishes uses it.. Its probably the most used avatar.
So, PLEASE DONT buff it, if they do more people would use it.....and....no...noooooooooooooo! They use it because they think it makes them look cool. This is honest, one time i asked a guy why doesnt he use something more useful like, lyssa, dwayna or melandru and he said "yeah, they would be better, but I'm not a girl." effectiveness vs looks :/
So, PLEASE DONT buff it, if they do more people would use it.....and....no...noooooooooooooo! They use it because they think it makes them look cool. This is honest, one time i asked a guy why doesnt he use something more useful like, lyssa, dwayna or melandru and he said "yeah, they would be better, but I'm not a girl." effectiveness vs looks :/
Seventh_Samurai
Quote:
Originally Posted by -Lotus-
Healing seed outclasses it as a monk skill because its non-elite.
Ahhh, but, healing seed does not stack with healing seed. Healing seed stacks with healing hands, and for the short duration when one of your tanks in steel wall actually needs healing before the enemy mob gets the living shit nuked out of them, I'd say it's worth it. Also casts a lot, LOT faster than healing seed, and lasts longer than seed of life.
Edit: Yes I think we are all aware that [Blessed Light] is a joke.
Edit: Yes I think we are all aware that [Blessed Light] is a joke.
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by Seventh_Samurai
Edit: Yes I think we are all aware that [Blessed Light] is a joke.
nu itz gud and a small buff will make it the new meta imo