[skill]Extend Conditions[/skill][skill]Technobabble[/skill][skill]"You Move Like a Dwarf!"[/skill]
Depending on your prof, you can add skills with other conditions, like [skill]Enfeeble[/skill] [skill]Blinding Flash[/skill] etc
Max or near max Asura rank would help tons. Use a 33% Silencing mod. Cast Technobabble and whatever then use EC. Use EC on the targets nearby to your original target to spread the stuff. Keep doing that and eventually the condition duration will reach the limit. [skill]Hypochondria[/skill] can be used to spread the conditions on a target out of range. Then you can use that target to spread them even more.
In short, you can keep any condition up 100% on a whole mob.
Now anyone can counter everything...
Cathode_Reborn
Shayne Hawke
The Dazed isn't long enough for you to extend it to maxed, unless you have over 16 Inspiration, at least r8 Asura, and a spamming reflex.
Even so, the Dazed will probably lose a little duration each time between extending it, so the only real way to keep it up for any great amount of time is to be constantly spamming to extend it.
Getting someone else to apply a longer Dazed effect would make it much simpler. In general, the condition has to be longer than the cast time and recharge of Extend in order to keep it up reasonably.
Even so, the Dazed will probably lose a little duration each time between extending it, so the only real way to keep it up for any great amount of time is to be constantly spamming to extend it.
Getting someone else to apply a longer Dazed effect would make it much simpler. In general, the condition has to be longer than the cast time and recharge of Extend in order to keep it up reasonably.
Warriorsrmint
If you had 16 Inspiration and r8 Asura dazed would only be on just over 2/3 of the time. Cripple could be kept up even at r1 norn aslong as you had very good reactions though so this will still work rather well with other conditions (with 16 inspiration).
DarkSpirit
Yes I knew about this with the updated Extend Conditions, but I also did some calculations and your condition has to last at least 10s to 20s in its original state for it to perm with at least 15 inspiration. Why is that? Because Extend Conditions recharge is 5s and I am not taking casting times into account. The other way for this to be possible is to use a skill that recharges Extend Conditions faster but I have not explored that part yet and it is hard to achieve because Extend Conditions already has a fast recharge. Maybe arcane echo it?
It is still possible to perm conditions but you may need a team build and a mesmer or more.
It is still possible to perm conditions but you may need a team build and a mesmer or more.
Cathode_Reborn
Already tested with 12 insp and max asura with a 33% daze mod - It's so easy to keep it up. You guys make it sound so hard 
FoxBat
Initial Daze - 5 sec
33% - 6 or 7 seconds, 6 for the sake of argument
3/4th aftercast and 1/4 extend cast, so down to 5 seconds when Extend is cast. 5*1.8 = 9, 9*1.33 = 12, so reapplied at 12 seconds.
Wait for 5 second recharge on extend... down to 7 seconds. Cast on time and we've gained a second, which will only increase further. Mess up and we'll just be back where we started, which is still permadaze if you keep it up.
No idea what numbers other people had.... but 6 seconds on a condition with 33% mod is the break even point for permanent upkeep at 12 insp, and 7 lets you increase the duration.
33% - 6 or 7 seconds, 6 for the sake of argument
3/4th aftercast and 1/4 extend cast, so down to 5 seconds when Extend is cast. 5*1.8 = 9, 9*1.33 = 12, so reapplied at 12 seconds.
Wait for 5 second recharge on extend... down to 7 seconds. Cast on time and we've gained a second, which will only increase further. Mess up and we'll just be back where we started, which is still permadaze if you keep it up.
No idea what numbers other people had.... but 6 seconds on a condition with 33% mod is the break even point for permanent upkeep at 12 insp, and 7 lets you increase the duration.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
No idea what numbers other people had.... but 6 seconds on a condition with 33% mod is the break even point for permanent upkeep at 12 insp, and 7 lets you increase the duration.
Yes I miscalculated on the initial cast, so it should be about 6 seconds with silencing mod, but few chance of timing mistakes. 12 to inspiration is also a huge investment on secondary mesmers. It would be easier to use an inspiration mesmer, I cant imagine my W/Me keeping this up.
upier
You are aware you are advertising the use of 12+ in Inspiration AND no AP?
In PvE?
In PvE?
FoxBat
Alright, now you're being silly.
The point is shutdown in some area you're having trouble. This isn't DPS.
AP into techno is energy intensive and won't work if things take more than 5s to die.
The point is shutdown in some area you're having trouble. This isn't DPS.
AP into techno is energy intensive and won't work if things take more than 5s to die.
upier
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Alright, now you're being silly.
The point is shutdown in some area you're having trouble. This isn't DPS.
AP into techno is energy intensive and won't work if things take more than 5s to die. You take minions/Aegis and you achieve something EC blind would.
Area daze seems nice (and it is) - but considering daze is pretty much used for only a few foes in the whole game - since everything else can be killed off insanely regardless of lack of shutdown - it seems like an overkill.
EC on blind/DW/daze would have to achieve a very good effect to counter the fact that you maxed out what is one of the worst PvE lines and gave up the spammabilty that AP brings.
Basically you can counter everything in this game pre-EC by sending in a tank and then nuking the hell out of things.
The point is shutdown in some area you're having trouble. This isn't DPS.
AP into techno is energy intensive and won't work if things take more than 5s to die. You take minions/Aegis and you achieve something EC blind would.
Area daze seems nice (and it is) - but considering daze is pretty much used for only a few foes in the whole game - since everything else can be killed off insanely regardless of lack of shutdown - it seems like an overkill.
EC on blind/DW/daze would have to achieve a very good effect to counter the fact that you maxed out what is one of the worst PvE lines and gave up the spammabilty that AP brings.
Basically you can counter everything in this game pre-EC by sending in a tank and then nuking the hell out of things.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by upier
You take minions/Aegis and you achieve something EC blind would.
Area daze seems nice (and it is) - but considering daze is pretty much used for only a few foes in the whole game - since everything else can be killed off insanely regardless of lack of shutdown - it seems like an overkill.
EC on blind/DW/daze would have to achieve a very good effect to counter the fact that you maxed out what is one of the worst PvE lines and gave up the spammabilty that AP brings.
Basically you can counter everything in this game pre-EC by sending in a tank and then nuking the hell out of things. That is not a fair statement. Conditions can be used for both defense and offense. How long does Aegis last? Or are you trying to argue that with Aegis (50% block for 10s at level 12) there is no use for perm blind (90% miss forever)?
With perm conditions, you can put the mob in perm burning which is an armor ignoring 14hp per second of degen, that is 140hp by the time your CoP recharges. Not to mention the advantage of making physicals miss 90% of the time through blind, and reduce damage by 66% through weakness. I dont even need to mention perm daze, DW, and cripple.
Area daze seems nice (and it is) - but considering daze is pretty much used for only a few foes in the whole game - since everything else can be killed off insanely regardless of lack of shutdown - it seems like an overkill.
EC on blind/DW/daze would have to achieve a very good effect to counter the fact that you maxed out what is one of the worst PvE lines and gave up the spammabilty that AP brings.
Basically you can counter everything in this game pre-EC by sending in a tank and then nuking the hell out of things. That is not a fair statement. Conditions can be used for both defense and offense. How long does Aegis last? Or are you trying to argue that with Aegis (50% block for 10s at level 12) there is no use for perm blind (90% miss forever)?
With perm conditions, you can put the mob in perm burning which is an armor ignoring 14hp per second of degen, that is 140hp by the time your CoP recharges. Not to mention the advantage of making physicals miss 90% of the time through blind, and reduce damage by 66% through weakness. I dont even need to mention perm daze, DW, and cripple.
FoxBat
Go take your MM to Veil or UW.
Minions own 90-95% of PvE but there are some places they fail badly. This isn't the kind of build you're going to use for a random vanquish, you're going to use it when the usual rollover isn't working. You can talk all you want how most foes don't need megashutdown and it's true, but that talk isn't going to do a damn thing when trying to overcome that last 5% of the game. Some people swear up and down on BHA/epidemic for those spots and this kicks the crap out of it.
Holding aggro with H/H and bad pugs isn't the easiest thing in the world either, especially if you expect Koss to do the tanking for you. And do we really need 100% defensive bars like bonders and obs flesh if we can instead shutdown critters with condition spam?
Minions own 90-95% of PvE but there are some places they fail badly. This isn't the kind of build you're going to use for a random vanquish, you're going to use it when the usual rollover isn't working. You can talk all you want how most foes don't need megashutdown and it's true, but that talk isn't going to do a damn thing when trying to overcome that last 5% of the game. Some people swear up and down on BHA/epidemic for those spots and this kicks the crap out of it.
Holding aggro with H/H and bad pugs isn't the easiest thing in the world either, especially if you expect Koss to do the tanking for you. And do we really need 100% defensive bars like bonders and obs flesh if we can instead shutdown critters with condition spam?
upier
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Go take your MM to Veil or UW.
Minions own 90-95% of PvE but there are some places they fail badly. This isn't the kind of build you're going to use for a random vanquish, you're going to use it when the usual rollover isn't working. You can talk all you want how most foes don't need megashutdown and it's true, but that talk isn't going to do a damn thing when trying to overcome that last 5% of the game. Some people swear up and down on BHA/epidemic for those spots and this kicks the crap out of it.
Holding aggro with H/H and bad pugs isn't the easiest thing in the world either, especially if you expect Koss to do the tanking for you. And do we really need 100% defensive bars like bonders and obs flesh if we can instead shutdown critters with condition spam? Ohh I misunderstood then.
Because I figured that posting 3 skills means that you aren't using a specific team build for a specific area but rather use it always - because somebody always has 3 skill slots open.
It's the same as listing Mending and saying that it's amazing.
Forgetting to add that you meant it's use in a 55 build.
(Ohh and I did take a MM to Veil. We didn't have issues.)
My apologies then.
Minions own 90-95% of PvE but there are some places they fail badly. This isn't the kind of build you're going to use for a random vanquish, you're going to use it when the usual rollover isn't working. You can talk all you want how most foes don't need megashutdown and it's true, but that talk isn't going to do a damn thing when trying to overcome that last 5% of the game. Some people swear up and down on BHA/epidemic for those spots and this kicks the crap out of it.
Holding aggro with H/H and bad pugs isn't the easiest thing in the world either, especially if you expect Koss to do the tanking for you. And do we really need 100% defensive bars like bonders and obs flesh if we can instead shutdown critters with condition spam? Ohh I misunderstood then.
Because I figured that posting 3 skills means that you aren't using a specific team build for a specific area but rather use it always - because somebody always has 3 skill slots open.
It's the same as listing Mending and saying that it's amazing.
Forgetting to add that you meant it's use in a 55 build.
(Ohh and I did take a MM to Veil. We didn't have issues.)
My apologies then.