Hi, now with the ursan
1. Obsi Tank
[Glyph Of Concentration][Obsidian Flesh][stoneflesh aura]["i am unstoppable][endure pain][dolyak signet][ward against foes][signet of stamina]
[armor of earth][stoneflesh aura][obsidian flesh][mystic regeneration][veil of thorns][armor of sanctity][fleeting stability][conviction]
2. Bip
[Blood is Power][blood renewal][masochism][extinguish][resurrect][rebirth][necrotic traversal][mending]
3. Monk: HB
[dwayna's kiss][ethereal light][dismiss condition][shield of absorption][heal party][glyph of lesser energy][healer's boon][resurrection chant]
4. Monk: SB
[dwayna's kiss][healing seed][arcane echo][seed of life][heal party][spell breaker][blessed aura][rebirth]
5. Monk: Bonder
[protective spirit][balthazar's spirit][life barrier][life bond][seed of life][blessed signet][mantra of inscriptions][resurrection chant]
6. CoP Mesmer version 1
[clumsiness][wandering eye][echo][arcane echo][ether nightmare][cry of pain] a res skill
7. CoP Mesmer version 2
[clumsiness][wandering eye][glyph of renewal][glyph of lesser energy][arcane echo][ether nightmare][cry of pain]
8. CoP Mesmer version 3
[Signet of illusion][arcane echo][cry of pain][ether nightmare][empathy][wandering eye][auspicious incantation] ( [deep freeze] or [meteor shower] or [flesh of my flesh] or [rebirth] or ... )
This only seems to be runned in german district, no idea why they are the only one.
But it can do Full HM Runs.
DOA Cryway
royal mercenary
some guy
I think there's also a version with signet of illusions
makosi
GoE have been doing something very similar for months (and are predominantly Scandanavian fyi). We use the CoP version 3 because Sig of Illusions maxes out the title and utility skills without the need for grind or thin attribute spreading.
The tanks have the hardest job (even harder than the monks') because they make the difference between a clean kill or a party wipe. They have to learn the tanking locations, hold aggro and maintain their buffs, whereas the monks are simple healbots and the mesmers are, essentially, squishy nukers who sit in the safety of the backline until required.
It requires more thought than Ursan but at the core, it's just abusing imba PvE skills once again.
The tanks have the hardest job (even harder than the monks') because they make the difference between a clean kill or a party wipe. They have to learn the tanking locations, hold aggro and maintain their buffs, whereas the monks are simple healbots and the mesmers are, essentially, squishy nukers who sit in the safety of the backline until required.
It requires more thought than Ursan but at the core, it's just abusing imba PvE skills once again.
HackingHippie712
if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this
[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam
[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712
if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this
[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam maybe im just missing something, but what would make spamming two CoPs have a better domage output than spamming three CoPs?
[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam maybe im just missing something, but what would make spamming two CoPs have a better domage output than spamming three CoPs?
royal mercenary
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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz
maybe im just missing something, but what would make spamming two CoPs have a better domage output than spamming three CoPs?
cause of vision of regret
Also i ve seen a lot of mesmer / ranger , mesmer / warrior , mesmer / necro being wanted
Still don't know those builds cause of no'one is willing to share
Also i ve seen a lot of mesmer / ranger , mesmer / warrior , mesmer / necro being wanted
Still don't know those builds cause of no'one is willing to share
royal mercenary
how do you put the attributes within a build ?
The_Kai
When u put like this
(build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8)(mark of rodgort)(searing flames)(glowing gaze)(liquid flame)(flame djinns haste)(aura of restoration)(fire attunement)(resurrect)(/build)
or
(W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA)
Since ) and ( are ] and [, it being this:
[build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8][mark of rodgort][searing flames][glowing gaze][liquid flame][flame djinns haste][aura of restoration][fire attunement][resurrect][/build]
[W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA]
(build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8)(mark of rodgort)(searing flames)(glowing gaze)(liquid flame)(flame djinns haste)(aura of restoration)(fire attunement)(resurrect)(/build)
or
(W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA)
Since ) and ( are ] and [, it being this:
[build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8][mark of rodgort][searing flames][glowing gaze][liquid flame][flame djinns haste][aura of restoration][fire attunement][resurrect][/build]
[W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA]
royal mercenary
ok, i have all the builds now 
With thanks to an awefull run with the germans, who were very critical (and i couldn't understand).
Though i noticed that all the work is for the tank, once he agroed the lot it is easy.
I'll post all builds tomorow after work
With thanks to an awefull run with the germans, who were very critical (and i couldn't understand).
Though i noticed that all the work is for the tank, once he agroed the lot it is easy.
I'll post all builds tomorow after work
Joe Fierce
Just a heads up, the SB monk can be dropped in favor of something else if the party is running an ele tank and an essence of celerity, constant obs flesh because of the 25% reduction on recharge, the ele tanks with mantra of earth do pretty beautifully better anyways, also another thing, a sugested skill for the cop mes with sig of illusions is weapon of shadow, it particularly helps with the cave because there will be rangers and paras coming at him crazy like and well, the paras got wild throw, so blocking out of the picture, and the rangers have savage shot to go crazy once the blocking is gone, the general answer that i get hen i make this statement is "well he's got signet of concentration" and my response is "is that non interruptable? cause i thought it was like a long cast".
[glyph of concentration]
oh wait, it is.
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Originally Posted by royal mercenary
[glyph of concentration]
oh wait, it is.
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[armor of earth][stoneflesh aura][obsidian flesh][mystic regeneration][veil of thorns][armor of sanctity][fleeting stability][conviction]
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The "cap" of stacking is +25 AL. Armor is capped when stacking different armor bonuses from skills unless a skill inherently exceeds the armor cap, in which case the highest AL bonus is taken. So for example: Skill A: +15 AL Skill B: +15 AL Skill A and Skill B: - Pre-nerf: +30 AL - post-nerf: +25 AL Now, for skill that exceed the cap: Skill C: +80 AL Skill A and Skill C: - Pre-nerf: +95 AL - Post-nerf: +80 AL Skill D: +40 AL Skill A; Skill C and Skill D: - Pre-nerf: +135 AL - Post-nerf: +80 AL Hope that's clear enough. so although conviction was a beaut on the derv bar back in the dizzay, it's not so hot now. that is, if they didn't un-nerf the way armor stacking worked.
Stub
glyph only works for 1 spell now right?
buzzerman
When you say that it can do "Full HM runs".. Does that include Mallyx? How could that echoed CoP trick work with Mallyx? I thought enchants and hexes are a no-no with that big monkey..
Lyynyyrd
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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712
if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this
[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build] ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam Cry of Pain, your main damage / spam skill, interrupts.... Visions of Regret, your elite skill... only works if the enemy is NOT interrupted. Your skills are kind of contradictory. bizlib
With the new changes any other uses for necro apart from BiP in DoA?
I mean SS is still working with some groups. But maybe a support necro with a good blood build using the new life transfer buff?
Akaraxle
Lol, I like how similar PvE and GvG are becoming. Illu mesmers and 3+ monks are so familiar.
sLiceR
are you expected to do something particular with the monk or follow the group and heal is just fine?
Mr.Kotte
I ran a VoR CoP build in DoA last night with another CoP mesmer, we had no trouble and VoR sure did what it was supposed to.
Joe Fierce
VoR? sorry, i'm rather terrible with initials, an also another suggestion, in place of a bonder for nm you can bring a barrager with save yourselves and that works rather well, even more so if a mesmer with an extra skill slot can splinter him occasionally.
svobo
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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
I ran a VoR CoP build in DoA last night with another CoP mesmer, we had no trouble and VoR sure did what it was supposed to.
I was thinking about running a VoR CoP build too. Could you post the builds that you ran? Thank you.
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce
VoR? sorry, i'm rather terrible with initials, an also another suggestion, in place of a bonder for nm you can bring a barrager with save yourselves and that works rather well, even more so if a mesmer with an extra skill slot can splinter him occasionally.
People don't usually abbreviate unless it's a relatively major skill in one of the bars posted in the thread. In this case, it means [[Visions of Regret]
royal mercenary
Ok , first of all i apologicy that i didn 't post the builds yesterday.
Second: VoR isn't suposed to do damage, it is a fast all close enemy hex skill. So all the foes are hexed and CoP¨can be used. So here are the builds they ran (this was only city, need one extra build for full run: for the foundry part) Builds: 1. Obsi Tank (w/e) [W/E;OQYTk4IXHKZQbwF8rCnkmMtYwCA] 2. Bip (n/mo) [N/mo;OANEQplN+IdHMHsF+6ETITEGISA] 3. Bonder (mo/x) [mo/me;OwAT0mHD5peIPcIxD6RIJlgGBA] 4. HB (mo/e) [mo/e;OwYT02HBZKuiuKjIHUiAZ4jQmAA] 5. CoP Mesmer - Fast Res (me/rit) [me/rit;OQhCAsw0SgN4JALoFnGwQwFD] 6. CoP Mesmer - Fleshgolem (me/ne) [me/n;OQRDAasjS2gLBWcaAcAsgANkAA] 7. CoP Mesmer - Edge Of Extinction (me/r) [me/r;OQJDAasjS2gLBWcaAcAsgQHkAA] 8. CoP Mesmer - Vision Of Regret Mesmer (me/x) [me/mo;OQhCAswkbzSgNILoFnGwQwFD] If not doing Foundry you can remove the fleshgolem and add the extra res: CoP Mesmer - Unyealding Aura (me/mo) [build prof=ME/Mo dom=12 fast=12][arcane echo][cry of pain][ether nightmare][lightbringers gaze][empathy][backfire][shatter hex][unyielding aura][/build] ----------------------------------------- Hope to give you guys some more info soon. Will post some usefull tricks for easy lure and kill. (once i know them all, cause now the team mostly stops after city) Goodluck.
Ben-A-BoO
Hey Royal Mecenary,
Something is wrong with the attributes posted there. I don't get player no. 4 specing 4 in prot instead of 3 which would give him/her max healing prayers. Player No. 7 has no attributes in Beast Mastery making EoE a level 1 joke. Same goes for the Backfire and Empathy which use domination magic but there are no points spec'd in it on players no. 6 and 7. Please check the builds more carefully before you post them, but I appreciate it none the less ... not a bad base to work from.
royal mercenary
builds are fine
EoE is for the small amount of hp 1 foe will still have after the CoP "spike" cause the ki's will heal 1 foe, backfire& empathy @ number 7 are easy skills to target CoP, feel free to add other, though they only are needed to trigger CoP. (sometimes i bring clumsiness or wandering eye instead)
MercenaryKnight
If you did bring a shadowform tank (assuming a/me) the assassin could bring the ether nightmare to make it easier so all the mesmers just have to get their cop's ready.
royal mercenary
already thought of that, but how would you manage the touches in stygian ?
Mr.Kotte
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already thought of that, but how would you manage the touches in stygian ?
[symbiosis] + enchantments on the tank.
royal mercenary
and what kind of enchantements (except of shadow form, shadow sanctuary,
Abedeus
Bonds, bonder can use 5 bonds, which in total give over 600 hp.
royal mercenary
isn't bonding a perma SF a waste of a person ?
Mr.Kotte
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Originally Posted by royal mercenary
3. Bonder [mo/me;OwAT0mHD5peIPcIxD6RIJlgGB]
Just bond the SF tank up with this. Then have the EoE bring Symbiosis instead of arcane conundrum
royal mercenary
Got a question, they need necro traversal and Flesh golem,
anyone know when you need to use these ?
Saraneth
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Originally Posted by royal mercenary
Got a question, they need necro traversal and Flesh golem,
anyone know when you need to use these ? From what I remember of the old DoA teams, a necro would make use of Flesh Golem/Traversal to teleport down into one of the trenches in Stygian Veil. The rest of the team (minus the tank) would aggro a mob and bunch up near the trench, dying so the nec could rebirth them into the trench. Then the tank would go activate the quest and tank outside the trench's gate. I don't remember it fully; it's been a while since then.
royal mercenary
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Originally Posted by Saraneth
From what I remember of the old DoA teams, a necro would make use of Flesh Golem/Traversal to teleport down into one of the trenches in Stygian Veil. The rest of the team (minus the tank) would aggro a mob and bunch up near the trench, dying so the nec could rebirth them into the trench. Then the tank would go activate the quest and tank outside the trench's gate. I don't remember it fully; it's been a while since then.
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any1 know specific where? Ma3x666
You almost said it yourself:
Originally Posted by royal mercenary
Quote: If not doing Foundry you can remove the fleshgolem and add the extra...
which means the golem is used in Foundry as a corpse for necro to teleport outside the harder rooms. The necro then Rebirths the party (except the tank) outside the room.
Saraneth
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Originally Posted by Ma3x666
which means the golem is used in Foundry as a corpse for necro to teleport outside the harder rooms.
I almost forgot about the gates and HM effects for Foundry. People used to use a pet for that on a N/R bip.
gerg-nad
Posts Merged by Marty Silverblade: Use the edit button instead of posting again.
Originally Posted by Saraneth
The cryway team here looks like the Old School build, trinity, with COP instead of SF/MS or Rits. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_DoA_Ritway If this team uses the NT trick in the rooms in foundry this will take a long time, as usually the monks, and sometimes the damage dealers all need to die and rebirth through the gates. So if it is done this way I find it hard to believe that good times can be had doing quad runs. The NT trench trick in Veil is not really needed and is a waist of time generally. Holding aggro really depends much on the back line, if they stay in aggro range too long or get closer than just barely in aggro range, they will pull aggro off the tank. I use to OF tank this all the time before EotN and using the terrain is critical looking for choke points and corners for the aggro to pile up. Rubberband casting can help. There are only a couple of large toucher groups in Veil and the monks should be able to heal the tank enough to keep alive. In the past the typcial times for these were (HM, as there was no HM it was all environmental effects, etc.) Veil: 45 min Foundry: 120 min city: 45 min gloom: 30 min This group cannot do Mallyx in his room directly as Hex and Enchants are a no no. You can do the "Door Open" trick, but it still may not be enough, but at least the groups that spawn in at 50 and 80% will not be an issue. What you can do is just bring a Usan with Assasin Promise, more of a physical team, and in NM use the door trick it works as we did this post nerf. Quote: 
I almost forgot about the gates and HM effects for Foundry. People used to use a pet for that on a N/R bip.
Pets no longer work which is why Golem was used. A 1hp Bip is the best BIP to bring, but in foundry you cannot use this as much because of the environmental effects.
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