Revert the Hero AI
Zahr Dalsk
We've all noticed since the updates on the 7th/8th of August, Hero and Henchmen AI has suffered massively. Quite simply, I propose a rollback to before those two updates, because the Heroes and Henchmen were doing relatively well before them.
Kanyatta
"Well" is a bit of an overstatement. "Better" is a more appropriate word.
I give Anet an A- for effort, but a D+ for practicality.
I give Anet an A- for effort, but a D+ for practicality.
Scary
Are they ???
I play HM dungeons most days with H/H without any problems.
Maybe that could improve the agro distance of the casters more.
I play HM dungeons most days with H/H without any problems.
Maybe that could improve the agro distance of the casters more.
here to troll
to be honest it seems im being pre protted (YES I KNOW) from h/h i think that there iq may have gone up( i dont use melee henchmen that people find to be the problem) so far i have enjoyed the update althoguh i dont look at my heros to much so they may be doing bad but im just not noticing it
Keekles
I haven't noticed any pre-protting from heroes, but I have noticed an increased stupidity in running to attack mobs while on guard.
SaDuFam
I have started palying Heros to capture some elite skills over the weekend. I noticed Devona frequently initiated attack to a nearby group at more than 2 times the distrance of the aggro circle and causing major unwanted aggro issues. She is out of her mind after the recent update.
Abedeus
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Are they ???
I play HM dungeons most days with H/H without any problems. Maybe that could improve the agro distance of the casters more. |
/signed, it's crazy. One time they aggro 5 groups, and the other they sit on their ass and NOT heal me even if I'm in the range.
Konig Des Todes
The only things I see going on as unusual with my heroes are:
1. My monks are enchanting and healing me more often (although that may be because I've only played on my monk as of late, which has starter armor).
2. Melee over aggro even more (even when on Guard, Instances: Heading to the first Cantha mission, Melonni *was set to guard* went half a radar distance out of the way to attack Jade Brotherhood. Also, Koss*was on Guard*+Devona in Snake Dance going half a radar distance (one going each way) and aggroed a total of 3 full groups before returning to a flag I placed *which I placed as they were running away*)
The first, I don't mind much because I was smart and brought 3 monks so the group didn't die *much*. The second is a BIG problem for me. Maybe not if I was playing my sin or necro, but on a lvl 7 monk with starter armor... It gets annoying to die 50 times in an area *and that is with using flags*.
whether or not it gets reverted back to before doesn't bother me. Just fix the damned melee. Something new or something old, CHANGE PLEASE! It's bad enough having the warrior henchman over aggro, I don't need another to aggro OTHER groups.
1. My monks are enchanting and healing me more often (although that may be because I've only played on my monk as of late, which has starter armor).
2. Melee over aggro even more (even when on Guard, Instances: Heading to the first Cantha mission, Melonni *was set to guard* went half a radar distance out of the way to attack Jade Brotherhood. Also, Koss*was on Guard*+Devona in Snake Dance going half a radar distance (one going each way) and aggroed a total of 3 full groups before returning to a flag I placed *which I placed as they were running away*)
The first, I don't mind much because I was smart and brought 3 monks so the group didn't die *much*. The second is a BIG problem for me. Maybe not if I was playing my sin or necro, but on a lvl 7 monk with starter armor... It gets annoying to die 50 times in an area *and that is with using flags*.
whether or not it gets reverted back to before doesn't bother me. Just fix the damned melee. Something new or something old, CHANGE PLEASE! It's bad enough having the warrior henchman over aggro, I don't need another to aggro OTHER groups.
Ben-A-BoO
The biggest problem I have with em is the "Repeat Cancel Action" bug till they are out of energy. Usually happens if you force em to cast a spell but the target is out of range ... then click click click till they got no energy and they finally execute the action. Most disturbing in HB ... easily can be your death sentence there.
So yeah roll back, haven't noticed any improvement but a few VERY annoying bugs.
So yeah roll back, haven't noticed any improvement but a few VERY annoying bugs.
Lita
They seem to work better for me, even tho i only use necro and para heroes..
Dr.Jones
for me heros are acting the exact same as they were before. still stupid and still run away from there flags and still go and tell all the mobs on the map that we are there. so not sighned seeing as i see no difrence if you see one its in your mind.
mistokibbles
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to be honest it seems im being pre protted (YES I KNOW) from h/h i think that there iq may have gone up( i dont use melee henchmen that people find to be the problem) so far i have enjoyed the update althoguh i dont look at my heros to much so they may be doing bad but im just not noticing it
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Kung Foo Man Choo
I only have problems with melee H/H. All of my heroes are on guard aswell. I will not be in agro range of groups but Koss and Panakau decide to charge head on into any group within 1 1/2 agro range. I have never had any prior problems with melee H/H before this update.
Lykan
No probs here.
Pesi
its not the heroes that are the problem.... figure the rest out urself
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by Pesi
its not the heroes that are the problem.... figure the rest out urself
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daze
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Originally Posted by Kung Foo Man Choo
I only have problems with melee H/H. All of my heroes are on guard aswell. I will not be in agro range of groups but Koss and Panakau decide to charge head on into any group within 1 1/2 agro range. I have never had any prior problems with melee H/H before this update.
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I have always had issues with Koss, and melonni. For example in Thunderhead keep at the last part where im holding down the fort, melonni decided to go all "avatar of balthazar" and run down the stairs and outside the fort (even thought i had all heros flagged and set to guard at the top of the stairs). For some reason she may have thought that she could solo 3 mursat and 2 jade bows.
Maybe it is because i just got her infused and she thought she was impervious.
Anyways i haven't used melee Heros or henchies since. The closest i get to melee is minions (meat shields) Squishy team FTW
Scary
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Improve EVEN MORE? So they will aggro everything on the map as soon as go out from the outpost?
/signed, it's crazy. One time they aggro 5 groups, and the other they sit on their ass and NOT heal me even if I'm in the range. |
What I meant ... sry for my spelling... ore sry for your understandable reading.
Is that they could improve that they stay more OUT of agro by make the
distance between de foe's en casters hench bigger.
SkekSister
At least H/H are predictably dumb. Playing in PuGs over the weekend made me question how the human race still exists on this planet ..
Back on topic, been collecting skills all weekend, what with the double cap XP, and I have to agree, all the melee heroes and henchies seem to have been given some kind of crazy 'banzai' AI. Trying to pull a single group in crowded conditions was tough, Devona and Koss were teaming up and charging here there and everywhere aggroing remote mobs. It required continuous re-pinning to keen them in check.
Still beats PuGs though
Back on topic, been collecting skills all weekend, what with the double cap XP, and I have to agree, all the melee heroes and henchies seem to have been given some kind of crazy 'banzai' AI. Trying to pull a single group in crowded conditions was tough, Devona and Koss were teaming up and charging here there and everywhere aggroing remote mobs. It required continuous re-pinning to keen them in check.
Still beats PuGs though
silavor
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
I dare you to take Devona and/or Talon and/or Stefan and/or Tom or any hero hench set on Guard and not swear at least once per 15 minutes. I DARE YOU. Do it now. And then apologize for your ignorance.
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cellardweller
I have had issues with ranged heroes standing at the back of the aggro bubble twiddling their thumbs instead of attacking when flagged since the update.
TheodenKing
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Originally Posted by Pesi
its not the heroes that are the problem.... figure the rest out urself
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
I dare you to take Devona and/or Talon and/or Stefan and/or Tom or any hero hench set on Guard and not swear at least once per 15 minutes. I DARE YOU. Do it now. And then apologize for your ignorance.
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TheodenKing
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
I have had issues with ranged heroes standing at the back of the aggro bubble twiddling their thumbs instead of attacking when flagged since the update.
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Abedeus
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Originally Posted by TheodenKing
You are correct , Sir.
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Ahem... When you "ping" a target, the AI on the melee heroes and henchmen will cause the problem you are claiming is not your fault. So stop doing that, then apologize to Pesi.
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So what do you call this? WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS? Do I have to really use caps lock/shift so you can understand that THERE IS a huge problem with AI?
Trylo
pyre has run halfway across the HB map when set to guard, and his pet even further. i am not ok with that.
also i have noticed the cancel action bug, its not ok either. it can literally cost you the whole match.
also i have noticed the cancel action bug, its not ok either. it can literally cost you the whole match.
Tyla
/Signed.
I've not H/H'd yet, but judging from the complaints it doesn't sound very good.
This only applies to Monks, and can only be set on your heroes. Avoid makes them not play offensively and kite.
Henchmen are all set to Guard, except for the melee ones. (I'm not completely sure on this one myself)
I've not H/H'd yet, but judging from the complaints it doesn't sound very good.
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Originally Posted by TheodonKing
"Avoid" = "twiddle thumbs"
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Henchmen are all set to Guard, except for the melee ones. (I'm not completely sure on this one myself)
LeugiM
Melee heroes and henchman suck, don't use them
Shadowhaze
Yes!
...at least the melee chars. lol. They love to run into mobs and aggro lots more it seems. -_- And I have them on guard.
And some of the casters just stand there sometimes...no, I don't have them on avoid.
...at least the melee chars. lol. They love to run into mobs and aggro lots more it seems. -_- And I have them on guard.
And some of the casters just stand there sometimes...no, I don't have them on avoid.
N1ghtstalker
yes! PLS YES!
the henches are too retarded now!
devona is out of control
she just runs of to do whatever she wants, i just was in tahnakai and she just thinks it's fun to run into two groups of jade brotherhood almost wiping my party with their dragon stomps
wth!
/signed
the henches are too retarded now!
devona is out of control
she just runs of to do whatever she wants, i just was in tahnakai and she just thinks it's fun to run into two groups of jade brotherhood almost wiping my party with their dragon stomps
wth!
/signed
Stolen Souls
Overall, they were better before the update.
I noticed SOME positive changes...someone mentioned that they are being pre-protted. I noticed this when I take a prot henchman with me. They throw prot spirit on me just before engaging.
However, this does not outweigh the negatives...which were all mentioned in the thread about it.
Ahem...if you took the time to browse the thread about this/knew anything about the problem...you'd see that the issue is they are running off and engaging even without a target being pinged. Hell, they are running off and engaging when they are FLAGGED BACK. There are screenshots of the melee henchman running off by himself and getting killed.
Yes, please revert them. Or at LEAST acknowledge it and fix the damn things...
I noticed SOME positive changes...someone mentioned that they are being pre-protted. I noticed this when I take a prot henchman with me. They throw prot spirit on me just before engaging.
However, this does not outweigh the negatives...which were all mentioned in the thread about it.
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Originally Posted by TheodenKing
Ahem... When you "ping" a target, the AI on the melee heroes and henchmen will cause the problem you are claiming is not your fault. So stop doing that, then apologize to Pesi.
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Yes, please revert them. Or at LEAST acknowledge it and fix the damn things...
wyrd
I think the new AI updates work well for the most part.
I voted keep the new AI just tweak it some more.
They are likely doing that for GW2 and this update is just a beta test start on AI reworking and improvements
I voted keep the new AI just tweak it some more.
They are likely doing that for GW2 and this update is just a beta test start on AI reworking and improvements
pamelf
I do belive the update was meant to improve heroes...where pray tell was the improvement?
januscht
seriously, anerf didnt make any Ai improvement b/c it seems they cant do it without making AN EPIC MESS, we havent hear an explanation of any kind about the casting loop bug for example, i supose they have notized this STUPID MESS but they dont want to admit it, their ai programming just SUCKS BAD
/ROLLBACK AI YOU MORONS
/ROLLBACK AI YOU MORONS
MithranArkanere
My only concern is MM heroes going back to lost minions to use Death nova.
"Ok, mate we leave them, let them be! There's no need to go back 2 radars to use that stupid skill you should not use out of battle".
"Ok, mate we leave them, let them be! There's no need to go back 2 radars to use that stupid skill you should not use out of battle".
Trylo
ive lost 2 hero battles now because of kahmu spazzing out trying to use a heal skill then dying. ive also seen talkh and dunk exhibit this behavior. i think it might be linked to signets because ive had morghan spaz out on signet of synergy and another hero with plague signet (however ive seen this happen with 10e spells often too...)
ive had the most trouble with pyre as he decides to totally leave his post and run all the way across the map. not an exaggeration. all the way across. on guard. its not as prominent in jin or margrid, but theyre not as scary as pyre is so i want pyre back please.
also, about the preprotting, i noticed that before the update. especially in HA when livia casted WoW on me and the other monk before we were even hit by an enemy that was running towards us. however i think talkhora is better at protting now, she caught a rspike!
ive had the most trouble with pyre as he decides to totally leave his post and run all the way across the map. not an exaggeration. all the way across. on guard. its not as prominent in jin or margrid, but theyre not as scary as pyre is so i want pyre back please.
also, about the preprotting, i noticed that before the update. especially in HA when livia casted WoW on me and the other monk before we were even hit by an enemy that was running towards us. however i think talkhora is better at protting now, she caught a rspike!
-Makai-
/signed a million times over
Barrett
i say yes revert them back!
they fixed the flagging (TOO MUCH)
i flag my heroes behind me and if any casters use AoE skills they just sit in them
yes we complained when the heroes ran all over place when flag was still on but,
when they just sit inside AoE's its plain dumb...
they fixed the flagging (TOO MUCH)
i flag my heroes behind me and if any casters use AoE skills they just sit in them
yes we complained when the heroes ran all over place when flag was still on but,
when they just sit inside AoE's its plain dumb...
Marverick
The only problem I've had with heroes so far is an MM sac'ing himself to death... which is not exactly new. I don't get why everyone else is complaining. Stop using melee heroes/henchies; they need a massive overhaul before they become even marginally useful anyway.
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Originally Posted by Marverick
The only problem I've had with heroes so far is an MM sac'ing himself to death... which is not exactly new. I don't get why everyone else is complaining. Stop using melee heroes/henchies; they need a massive overhaul before they become even marginally useful anyway.
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Draikin
Leave the AI as it is and simply fix the two newly introduced bugs.