I suggest that a timer for 10 minutes after the end chest has spawned. This means that any scammers attempting to remain "disconnected" and merely waiting for everyone to leave so that they can get their chest won't gain anything.
This also means that people who go afk have a fair chance of coming back, and know that all they need to do is to come back and get the chest before the 10 minutes are up.
Why have it unlimited until every member of the party has the quest? =\ I don't see a practical use, but if there is, tell me and I'll shut up. But for the moment, I'm quite annoyed that I spent an hour of my life running a party and one idiot decided it'd work to not pay us the money we mutually agreed upon at the beginning.
Stopping dungeon scammers: An idea for the timer
Hermos
Daisuko
Because Anet doesn't care about people not paying for runs. They don't care at all. If they did care, they'd probably spend all of their effort making it so you wouldn't be able to do the dungeon run anymore at all, rather than focusing on making some guy pay you a bit of gold.
But honestly, what are you going to do? fight your way there, then map out because you weren't paid? Heck, even if nobody paid you, you'd still do it because you know that A. a party of 7 can beat the last boss in a dungeon anyway after enough tries, no matter how bad they are. And B. You'd have wasted that hour and gotten nothing at all.
But honestly, what are you going to do? fight your way there, then map out because you weren't paid? Heck, even if nobody paid you, you'd still do it because you know that A. a party of 7 can beat the last boss in a dungeon anyway after enough tries, no matter how bad they are. And B. You'd have wasted that hour and gotten nothing at all.
zelgadissan
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There's also dungeons where the chest will spawn but you're not done fighting. Ooze Pit comes to mind - say if for some reason your party really blows and can't kill the things that the Prismatics break into in 10 minutes, you're just SOL on your chest. TBH I say you don't deserve the chest in that situation, but still.
Anyway it just boils down to Anet hates runners (as they should) and won't purposely do anything to try and make a runner's life easier.
Sindy
I'm trying to understand what you mean. Normally, the runner gets paid before the chest spawns. If a person refuses to pay, you are forced to abandon the whole thing and upset your other run-ees, or you do it anyway and eat the loss.
If the chest *has* spawned, they can just open the chest, take their stuff that's reserved for them anyway, and leave. A timer wouldn't do anything.
What exactly are you proposing again?
If the chest *has* spawned, they can just open the chest, take their stuff that's reserved for them anyway, and leave. A timer wouldn't do anything.
What exactly are you proposing again?
Shadowmoon
Simpler solution, allow either the leader to kick scammer out of group in the middle of an instance. Or another, allow group to vote to kick soemone from group. This could be done with the /report option. Add a "vote to remove from group" option, if the majority of players choose this, the player is removed.
Both options would kills scammers in dungeon running. And if noone has notice, dungeon running is the current ecomony right now.
Both options would kills scammers in dungeon running. And if noone has notice, dungeon running is the current ecomony right now.
Daisuko
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I'm trying to understand what you mean. Normally, the runner gets paid before the chest spawns. If a person refuses to pay, you are forced to abandon the whole thing and upset your other run-ees, or you do it anyway and eat the loss.
If the chest *has* spawned, they can just open the chest, take their stuff that's reserved for them anyway, and leave. A timer wouldn't do anything. What exactly are you proposing again? |
SmokingHotImolation
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Simpler solution, allow either the leader to kick scammer out of group in the middle of an instance. Or another, allow group to vote to kick soemone from group. This could be done with the /report option. Add a "vote to remove from group" option, if the majority of players choose this, the player is removed.
Both options would kills scammers in dungeon running. And if noone has notice, dungeon running is the current ecomony right now. |
bryann380
Here's my idea to prevent a "dungeon scam".... actually play the game and complete the dungeon yourself (or with guildies/friends) instead of someone running you through it.
Daisuko
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Abuse, anyone?
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Further abuse could be against actual runners themselves. Such as in augury rock, kicking someone once they bring the last stone back, so they drop it and you complete the mission without paying.
Daisuko
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Here's my idea to prevent a "dungeon scam".... actually play the game and complete the dungeon yourself (or with guildies/friends) instead of someone running you through it.
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Hellomawi
It's just annoying really. I used to run people through the cathedral of flames to make my money but now just do it for myself or for my fiance and sister as literally half the runs I'd do a day, someone wouldn't pay. It's only 2k per run, so it's not like it much to get upset about, it's just the point of it. I don't think there will ever be a way to stop people from taking the loot and running, but do think there should be SOME sort of way to report people for scamming.
Shadowmoon
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I could see a few people getting together and knowing they'll band together and kick someone once they open the chest so they get the loot. Majority generally means 50% since a player can't vote to kick themselves, therefore a party of 8... 4 people could band together and kick the other four once they open the end chest, doubling the loot each person got.
Further abuse could be against actual runners themselves. Such as in augury rock, kicking someone once they bring the last stone back, so they drop it and you complete the mission without paying. |
Zahr Dalsk
Anet does not support running.
Sucks for you if someone's ripping you off for it, but you're on your own.
Sucks for you if someone's ripping you off for it, but you're on your own.
Numa Pompilius
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Here's my idea to prevent a "dungeon scam".... actually play the game and complete the dungeon yourself (or with guildies/friends) instead of someone running you through it.
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Congratulations bryann380, to the rest of you: better luck next time!
Shadowmoon
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Anet does not support running.
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Anet use to not support AB, FA/JQ, and RA with all the leaving/leaching goin on there, but they eventually added the dishonor system because enough people qq'ed about it. Unless Anet want to add more items (content) for people to farm for to make money, they need to realize it now a services economy, not a goods.
Necro Quink
Just don't run ppl for money anymore and play the game to get gold etc. Problem solved!
Angelica
I have been in many runs of CoF and we had only one occasion where a player did not pay and the runner gave the money back to us and left.
This do not happen often and the majority of players pay, if a greedy runner get upset because out of 10 runs he gets one player who do not pay, he then starts to complain.
This works both way tho, I have had a runner who did not ressurect me and other 2 people in Ooze pit run, after we paid and helped him to get rid of the many oozes that, he was not able to kill by himself at the end chest.
No one of the left alive had res. We were left there in shock!
The only thing we can do is to hope people is honest.
This do not happen often and the majority of players pay, if a greedy runner get upset because out of 10 runs he gets one player who do not pay, he then starts to complain.
This works both way tho, I have had a runner who did not ressurect me and other 2 people in Ooze pit run, after we paid and helped him to get rid of the many oozes that, he was not able to kill by himself at the end chest.
No one of the left alive had res. We were left there in shock!
The only thing we can do is to hope people is honest.
daze
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Originally Posted by Hermos
I suggest that a timer for 10 minutes after the end chest has spawned. This means that any scammers attempting to remain "disconnected" and merely waiting for everyone to leave so that they can get their chest won't gain anything.
This also means that people who go afk have a fair chance of coming back, and know that all they need to do is to come back and get the chest before the 10 minutes are up. Why have it unlimited until every member of the party has the quest? =\ I don't see a practical use, but if there is, tell me and I'll shut up. But for the moment, I'm quite annoyed that I spent an hour of my life running a party and one idiot decided it'd work to not pay us the money we mutually agreed upon at the beginning. |
R.Shayne
The last public run I gave everyone’s money back and left due to a scammer, 2k is nothing but if you let them get away with it they continue to do it. Now I just run friends for free and it is a much nicer experience.
I agree with Shadowmoon on one thing, something has to be done about the leeching. In a FoW last week had a leech that stopped after the 5th quest and he got to open the chest, is this fair to the rest of us that earned it?
I don't like the report system since it is only negative. What about a report system that lets people know that this player is a good player or a fair trader?
I agree with Shadowmoon on one thing, something has to be done about the leeching. In a FoW last week had a leech that stopped after the 5th quest and he got to open the chest, is this fair to the rest of us that earned it?
I don't like the report system since it is only negative. What about a report system that lets people know that this player is a good player or a fair trader?
pamelf
Runners should QQ less because they already make ridiculous amounts of money. It's not sanctioned by the game developers, and is your own risk. Get over it.
draxynnic
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Simpler solution, allow either the leader to kick scammer out of group in the middle of an instance. Or another, allow group to vote to kick soemone from group. This could be done with the /report option. Add a "vote to remove from group" option, if the majority of players choose this, the player is removed.
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Nainoa
Quit lazy-moding shit, and do the mission/dungeon/whatever yourself.
Div
Such is the risk you take running people. QQing here won't change anything.
upier
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Here's my idea to prevent a "dungeon scam".... actually play the game and complete the dungeon yourself (or with guildies/friends) instead of someone running you through it.
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On-topic:
It sucks.
/end of sympathy
Hermos
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Quit lazy-moding shit, and do the mission/dungeon/whatever yourself.
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Honestly, just changing the timer to help out leeching/scammers etc wouldn't be too hard, would it?
darksuzaku
why doesn't the runner just make everybody resign upon entering the last level of the dungeon?
You just have to make everybody know that you will be requiring them to resign upon entering the last level. If someone refuses you just don't even start the level.
After everybody resigns (except the runner of course) you run the level normally, make everybody pay before the boss and if someone fakes an afk to avoid paying then you just have to resign yourself after the people who paid have picked their loot and it's game over for the leecher.
You just have to make everybody know that you will be requiring them to resign upon entering the last level. If someone refuses you just don't even start the level.
After everybody resigns (except the runner of course) you run the level normally, make everybody pay before the boss and if someone fakes an afk to avoid paying then you just have to resign yourself after the people who paid have picked their loot and it's game over for the leecher.
daze
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why doesn't the runner just make everybody resign upon entering the last level of the dungeon?
You just have to make everybody know that you will be requiring them to resign upon entering the last level. If someone refuses you just don't even start the level. After everybody resigns (except the runner of course) you run the level normally, make everybody pay before the boss and if someone fakes an afk to avoid paying then you just have to resign yourself after the people who paid have picked their loot and it's game over for the leecher. |
Excellent suggestion, the only problem is it opens the runner up to being a prick and rushing in to get the chest and mapping out immediatly. I have seen prick runners who would totally do that.
NoXiFy
anet will not ever add an ablility to remove someone WHILE in a group. it would promote more bad than good. for obvious reasons.
kk, everyones at the chest (on vent, KK PUT UR LAST VOTE ON GUY... {chest opens} NOW! HAHAHA WE GET HIS DROPS GG). You could kick someone whenever they got a good drop. the only fair way to do it would be to automatically resserect the person and give them 120 seconds to get all their drops, which is completely retarded.
kk, everyones at the chest (on vent, KK PUT UR LAST VOTE ON GUY... {chest opens} NOW! HAHAHA WE GET HIS DROPS GG). You could kick someone whenever they got a good drop. the only fair way to do it would be to automatically resserect the person and give them 120 seconds to get all their drops, which is completely retarded.
bryann380
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Did you ever even play the bore-fest that are dungeons?
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Sweet Mystery
This is basically the thing you have to accept.... if run you may get someone who won't pay.... something everyone would have to live with... if happens tough.. live with it and move on... Anet should not do something to cover this just incase.....
Also AFKers... something may come up like an emergency keeping them from the keyboard, have to accept that can happen and so not fair to brand everyone with the scammer tag....
Also AFKers... something may come up like an emergency keeping them from the keyboard, have to accept that can happen and so not fair to brand everyone with the scammer tag....