Why are so many good Ritualist elites late in Nightfall?

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ruffenredie
Academy Page
#1
So I'm spending a bit of time trying to work on my Ritualist, he's mostly channeling damage, with a few spirits, splinter weapon and a bit of healing. I definitely want to keep him that basic way, but I'm struggling to find a decent elite for him.

I spent 12k on an elite rit tome a few months back and acquired clamor of souls, before working out how rubbish it is. Now after having another look I see that pretty much all the decent elites seem to be late on in Nightfall, that's very annoying. 2 in the Domain of Secrets!

Why do the Rit elites seem to be so much harder to get than other professions?

I selected out 5 potential skills and only 1 is close to me in Factions:
Weapon of Quickening - close-ish to me now
Weapon of Fury - about half way through Nightfall....
Reclaim Essence - late in Nightfall.
Offering of Spirit - end of Nightfall
Caretaker's Charge - might as well be on the moon for me...

I'm broke so can't afford another tome, any ideas?
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Pour One For Jose
Frost Gate Guardian
#2
[Destructive Was Glaive]
[Offering of Spirit]
[Weapon of Remedy]
[Xinrae's Weapon]

best elites to me imo.

destructive is early in NF too.
Lhim
Lhim
Krytan Explorer
#3
Yes, most of the better Rit elites are late in nightfall. I believe I mainly used [spirit light weapon] before I got there. Simply because it's available earlier on. But I think [signet of spirits] would be a good choice for the time being.
upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#4
[Assassin's Promise].

What ... ?
Lhim
Lhim
Krytan Explorer
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by upier
[Assassin's Promise].

What ... ? I should have seen this coming
ajc2123
ajc2123
Desert Nomad
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by upier
[Assassin's Promise].

What ... ? He said RITUALIST elites, not secondaries. He was even discussing the Profession, not it's secondaries.
isamu kurosawa
isamu kurosawa
Desert Nomad
#7
Running a hybrid Rt will leave few points spare for deadly arts. [[signet of spirits], [[spirit light weapon] and [[Attuned Was Songkai] are all decent elites available till you get access to the better ones later in nightfall.
Attuned happens to be one of the better Rt elites itself anyway.
upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by deank81 I should have seen this coming And I thought I'd catch people off guard!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajc2123
He said RITUALIST elites, not secondaries. He was even discussing the Profession, not it's secondaries. He obviously isn't utilizing his secondary.
AP can be capped quite early in the game.
It's WoQ, RE AND OoS all rolled up into one skill.
Obviously he's constantly broke - in which case - AP saves him the money for the elite tome and he can cap OoS/WoR once he gets further into C3. Until then he can abuse the hell out of AP (but given the insanity that is AP - he might actually end up saving the gold that he'd use on the cap siggies for those two skills ...).
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ruffenredie
Academy Page
#9
thanks to all, definitely useful to get other peoples thoughts.

As for Assassin's Promise, actually that's a really good idea and it fits the background fluff I created for my character when I made him (I can't help but do this, even though it often restricts me later). I will head off to cap that asap and just shuffle my points around a bit to make it work. He's already a sin secondary, I just haven't used any sin skills. It'll certainly get me through until later in NF.
upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by ruffenredie
As for Assassin's Promise, actually that's a really good idea and it fits the background fluff I created for my character when I made him (I can't help but do this, even though it often restricts me later). I will head off to cap that asap and just shuffle my points around a bit to make it work. He's already a sin secondary, I just haven't used any sin skills. It'll certainly get me through until later in NF. My work here is done!


/upier swooshes off
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ruffenredie
Academy Page
#11
My hero...... swoon

upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by ruffenredie
My hero...... swoon

Best.
Reply.
EVER!
-Makai-
-Makai-
Jungle Guide
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
Running a hybrid Rt will leave few points spare for deadly arts. [[signet of spirits], [[spirit light weapon] and [[Attuned Was Songkai] are all decent elites available till you get access to the better ones later in nightfall.
Attuned happens to be one of the better Rt elites itself anyway. To the OP: kurosawa has an excellent point. When running a channeling/resto bar, [Offering of Spirit] or [Signet of Spirits] would be a better choice. If you're using just one attribute line, go with upier's obsession...er...suggestion.

To upier: You could sell cobwebs to Arachni.

On topic: It is odd how so many useful Rit elites are found at the end of NF, especially considering the huge array of elite skills found throughout the campaign. That being said, these elites are incredibly useful overall and, in my opinion, most of them are worth getting (the new [Reclaim Essence] is pretty iffy, though).
snaek
snaek
Forge Runner
#14
wuts wrong wit [preservation]?
Nightow
Nightow
Forge Runner
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm On topic: It is odd how so many useful Rit elites are found at the end of NF, especially considering the huge array of elite skills found throughout the campaign. That being said, these elites are incredibly useful overall and, in my opinion, most of them are worth getting (the new [Reclaim Essence] is pretty iffy, though). Regarding the recently buffed elites...

[Xinrae's Weapon] > [Reclaim essence] By a large margin.

My only guess is that the role of a Ritualist has changed quite a bit from Factions to NF and Beyond. Hence, that's why the elites are better since they are more useful to today's Ritualist.

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Originally Posted by snaek
wuts wrong wit [preservation]? Only good for 4 man areas (mostly RA/TA) due to random nature of the heals it produces. I'd rather go with [Life] or [Rejuvenation]+[Assassin's Promise]/[Signet of Creation]

Also, your spelling is another thing that's wrong.
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Tyla
Emo Goth Italics
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by snaek
wuts wrong wit [preservation]? 1. The heals are random and aren't designated by health status.
2. It's an elite that gives about 20 less health than capped out regeneration when it takes effect, and since it's random it's worse.
3. It's a spirit.
Cathode_Reborn
Cathode_Reborn
Desert Nomad
#17
Factions skills were purposely underpowered at start while NF's were purposely made overpowered. Anet said it themselves.

It just takes ages for them to actually balance them right, so NF's options are gonna look better for a long while...
Bowstring Badass
Bowstring Badass
Forge Runner
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by upier
[Assassin's Promise].

What ... ? You and this damn elite.

Honestly the best rit elite that can be gotten early is spirit light weapon until you can get to better elites.
Nightow
Nightow
Forge Runner
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
Factions skills were purposely underpowered at start while NF's were purposely made overpowered. Anet said it themselves. Source please?
snaek
snaek
Forge Runner
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla
1. The heals are random and aren't designated by health status.
2. It's an elite that gives about 20 less health than capped out regeneration when it takes effect, and since it's random it's worse.
3. It's a spirit. yes...but in terms of op's criteria
its factions, and fairly easy to obtain

compared to elites like [weapon of quickening], [soul twisting], [defiant was xinrae], [tranquil was tanasen], and [clamor of souls] as mentioned by op....
[preservation] doesnt seem that bad