Odran and Abaddon
Free Runner
As GmrLeon mentioned, Odran was apparantly passing back through when the Spirits got him. It also mentions that the spirits of the hall were the ones to figure out how to attack him.
Konig Des Todes
But the option still stands that he could have gone to the Realm of Torment. So it's very much agreed that going there was not the cause of his death - pointed out by the quote of Hyper that I really should have known seeing how I have a never ending research on Spirits - but that does not prove:
1) Odran didn't know of Abaddon.
2) Abaddon didn't use Odran's portals for his own use.
1) Odran didn't know of Abaddon.
2) Abaddon didn't use Odran's portals for his own use.
Free Runner
Of course it does not disprove your theory. Odran most likely knew about Abaddon - Kayhet knows quite abit about him despite the cover up, and i'm betting Odran was much more smarter than her.
As for him breaking into Torment by accident, we would have to determine where the Realm of Torment is, and how secure the gods made it. If we could figure out a way to read the Alchemy Circles we would be able to find both things out.
As for him breaking into Torment by accident, we would have to determine where the Realm of Torment is, and how secure the gods made it. If we could figure out a way to read the Alchemy Circles we would be able to find both things out.
Konig Des Todes
Even without the Alchemy Circles, I made a placement theory based on it.
We know it's connected to the Underworld, so that is one way Odran could have made it to the Realm of Torment.
We know it's connected to the Underworld, so that is one way Odran could have made it to the Realm of Torment.
Neo Atomisk
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Originally Posted by Free Runner
I personally think the Island up in the Northwest corner is a possible location. Another could be somewere within the Magumma/Tarnished Coast border.We pretty much traversed the entire Ring of Fire Island Chain and didnt find anything there. |
The door of Komalie is a portal into the Realm of Torment, more specifically, the foundry of failed creations.
Konig Des Todes
Due to the difference in looks of that portal and the other portals we have seen, I think the Door of Komali is more of a tear in reality, not an actual portal.
I've been thinking about looking into the Door of Komali, but have been busy with it being the end of the semester and all.
I've been thinking about looking into the Door of Komali, but have been busy with it being the end of the semester and all.
Neo Atomisk
Well, it may be a tear in reality, but I think it's kinda like a mega portal. Also, can we count the portal in surmia and nolani a true portal? I don't think they travel through the mists.
Konig Des Todes
I think that was the original idea for how map traveling would look like. If you look at the ground, in both the cinematic and the outpost for Nolani, you see a design on the ground (think someone called it a rose compass). Similar symbols are seen throughout the game. In Lion's Arch, in all (or most) of the Prophecies Guild Halls, at the Krytan Resurrection shrines, and various other places.
I think those serve as teleporters, not really portals.
Of course, my term of portals is a hole or tunnel that transverses the Mists to the Rift (and Rift to other places).
I think those serve as teleporters, not really portals.
Of course, my term of portals is a hole or tunnel that transverses the Mists to the Rift (and Rift to other places).
Neo Atomisk
I see. I'll be day dreaming about this at school today. I think I'm close to having a good idea.
But if any, I believe the door of komalie would be a major factor in odran somehow
But if any, I believe the door of komalie would be a major factor in odran somehow
Free Runner
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You forget the point of the Prophecies Campaign.
The door of Komalie is a portal into the Realm of Torment, more specifically, the foundry of failed creations. |
It could of been a door intended for the Forgotton to easily move between the RoT and Tyria, perhaps sealed when Abaddon went rogue and attacked the Rift leading to his imprisonment.
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laurana half elf
you guys do realize that this is just a game right?
its not real.....
not everything has to be connected.
its not real.....
not everything has to be connected.
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by laurana half elf
you guys do realize that this is just a game right?
its not real..... |
Konig Des Todes
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The door of Komalie is just a backdoor into the Foundry - probably created by the gods considering the Foundry was once a Margonite prison. There is no evidence that Odran made that portal (and its works differently aswell).
It could of been a door intended for the Forgotton to easily move between the RoT and Tyria, perhaps sealed when Abaddon went rogue and attacked the Rift leading to his imprisonment. |
Also, as I pointed out over on GWO (never bothered putting it over here, I guess I'll make a thread - after searching for one to rez
), I think it is not the Bloodstone's power that seals the Door of Komali, but in fact the seal that was inscribed on top of the bloodstone - which I believe to not be a part of the actual bloodstone (i.e., was added by someone - most likely Mursaat)
Neo Atomisk
I'm fairly sure killing people on the bloodstones produces lots of energy. In turn this energy is probably absorbed by komalie. I'm kinda new to all this, but it would be kinda like the principle of heat in chemistry.
And komalie is still a link to the mists, odran made or not.
And WTH dude Guild wars is reality.
Watch be actually happen irl lmao.
And komalie is still a link to the mists, odran made or not.
And WTH dude Guild wars is reality.
Watch be actually happen irl lmao.
Konig Des Todes
Killing people on the bloodstones would produce just as much energy as killing people anywhere else. In my opinion, the inscription simply takes the soul which is then stored into the Soul Batteries, which is used in the Ether Seals to keep the barrier around the Door of Komalie closed.
In a similar way that the incriptions on the doors in Bloodstone Caves keeps the doors locked until Gadd and Livia unlock them.
And no one said that the Door of Komalie is not linked to the Mists and the Rift. We just said it probably wasn't Odran made.
In a similar way that the incriptions on the doors in Bloodstone Caves keeps the doors locked until Gadd and Livia unlock them.
And no one said that the Door of Komalie is not linked to the Mists and the Rift. We just said it probably wasn't Odran made.
Seri
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I think that the main need for Abaddon to create portals is a "disturbance" in the world. If you think about it, prior to Shiro, there was nothing going on other then Joko and Odran until you go far back enough for Abaddon's imprisonment. I think the damage that Shiro, the Charr, and Khilbron did was enough to allow Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies to open portals at will. With just Shiro's act, not enough was done, so he had to wait for Khilbron to do his part, and Terick had to wait for the Charr to attack before he can get Khilbron to use the scroll.
One event happening was not enough, so he had to wait for all to happen. That's my theory on why Abaddon did not attack until now. In relation to the Tombs attack, I think it was more of an attack on the Hall of Heroes then Tyria, or else the strongest wouldn't be in the very far back, and the siege wurms, which are stationary, would be closer to Tyria then they currently are. Of course, the best argument for their current positioning could be the whole game mechanics. But aside from that, there is the fact that nearly everything else was attacked or will be, all the attacks that occurred at the time and before are: Tyria 1. The Searing 2. The Cataclysm 3. The Undead Assault 4. The Titan Assault Cantha 1. Jade Wind 2. The Plague *soon to be* 3. Urgoz and the Warden's assault*indirectly from Abaddon* 4. Kanaxai and the Nightmare Demons' assault *most likely indirectly from Abaddon* Rift/Mists 1. The Underworld 2. Fissure of Woe |
Free Runner
I think the general idea for this thread is that Abaddon used Odrans portals to stage the events. The fire was around 100 years before Odran managed to create a portal into the Rift.
So if it was indeed one of Abaddons demons (considering an Emperor died in the fire i wouldnt put it past him) then that would mean he was sending things through before Odran even entered the Rift. However it was probably just a disgruntled guild attempting to cause some chaos in the palace and by a stroke of luck, killing an Emperor in the process.
So if it was indeed one of Abaddons demons (considering an Emperor died in the fire i wouldnt put it past him) then that would mean he was sending things through before Odran even entered the Rift. However it was probably just a disgruntled guild attempting to cause some chaos in the palace and by a stroke of luck, killing an Emperor in the process.
Konig Des Todes
What Free Runner said, and also there is no resurrecting dead threads in the lore forums. Well, unless it's debunked (and since when is 13 days old?).
Kerwyn Nasilan
Tangent here but Konig you are Azeal correct?
draxynnic
No. He's Konig...
...formerly known as Azazel the Assassin.
...formerly known as Azazel the Assassin.
Roupe
I got the impression that Abbadon and his servants could only create portals to places Abbadons "tendrils" had reached.
The reason why it didn't occur sooner was that it took time for Abbadon to dig his tendrils "free". So Abbadon dug his way out. But now at time of Nightfall and the defilement of tomb of Primordial Kings,
The reason why it didn't occur sooner was that it took time for Abbadon to dig his tendrils "free". So Abbadon dug his way out. But now at time of Nightfall and the defilement of tomb of Primordial Kings,
Konig Des Todes
Abaddon and his minions created portals *during Nightfall campaign* via the Shadow Nexus. However, his minions (at least three) used portals prior. How else could the demonic Terrick and demonic fortune teller and the Titan that showed up at the Charr (and possibly, but unlikely, a second Titan - if the one that the Burnt Legion did not find was not Screvio (sp?))?
Also, as the Realm of Torment and Tyria are not on the same plane of existence (nor is the Realm of Torment underneath Tyria *despite the hole-like portal in the Mouth of Torment*), so there would be no literal "digging" for the tendrils. In order to get to other realms, Abaddon's influence had to be via portals and the rituals done by Varesh - which were weakening the barrier between Tyria and the Realm of Torment *i.e., portal-like creation spells - as in the first, demons come through temporary portals, and in the second, there are three portals which can be easily closed*.
Also, as the Realm of Torment and Tyria are not on the same plane of existence (nor is the Realm of Torment underneath Tyria *despite the hole-like portal in the Mouth of Torment*), so there would be no literal "digging" for the tendrils. In order to get to other realms, Abaddon's influence had to be via portals and the rituals done by Varesh - which were weakening the barrier between Tyria and the Realm of Torment *i.e., portal-like creation spells - as in the first, demons come through temporary portals, and in the second, there are three portals which can be easily closed*.
Roupe
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later on Torment Claws are always near the portals. at attacks spots, or you can see tendrils in the landscape
The attacks of Abbodon and his servants was always after you saw those tendrils.
But there are free agents, that could do deeds to assist.
The Lich wielding the scepter of Orr opened portals (for Titans) (he ended up in realm of torment), it probably thanks to him that Abbadon could become free.
Kanaxai, another example.
Konig Des Todes
Another clearifying point. In Dzagonur Bastion, the Torment Claws came after the mission - when they said "Nightfall has come"
Before then, Torment Claws have only shown at Lion's Arch, Kaineng Center, and Kamadan. However, at other portals, those don't show. And after Nightfall, they do show wherever - but the barrier is already breaking/broken then. So Abaddon's tendrils were dependent on portals.
Khilbron didn't really open any portals - he just had us unblocked one which got sealed almost right away. Though if the Door of Komalie stayed open, it probably would have helped Abaddon break free.
The only portals that were open long enough were the ones by Odran.
As for Kanaxai, go to the study on Oni thread, there we have stated how Kanaxai has no known connection (though a possible, tedious, one to Menzies) to Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies.
Before then, Torment Claws have only shown at Lion's Arch, Kaineng Center, and Kamadan. However, at other portals, those don't show. And after Nightfall, they do show wherever - but the barrier is already breaking/broken then. So Abaddon's tendrils were dependent on portals.
Khilbron didn't really open any portals - he just had us unblocked one which got sealed almost right away. Though if the Door of Komalie stayed open, it probably would have helped Abaddon break free.
The only portals that were open long enough were the ones by Odran.
As for Kanaxai, go to the study on Oni thread, there we have stated how Kanaxai has no known connection (though a possible, tedious, one to Menzies) to Abaddon, Dhuum, and Menzies.
Gmr Leon
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
Khilbron didn't really open any portals - he just had us unblocked one which got sealed almost right away.
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
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I'm still pretty sure you just mean tenuous.
Konig Des Todes
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Technically speaking, yes he did. Although, indirectly, as he ordered the Portal Wraiths to open portals to Lion's Arch, Droknar's Forge, Ascalon City, and the Henge of Denravi.
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Those portals are Tyria to Tyria and are not of the subject matter, to be honest. Just like the portals in the Gate of Madness mission - except those are Realm of Torment to Realm of Torment instead of Tyria to Tyria.
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Sorry, but this is just bugging me quite a bit. te⋅di⋅ous /ˈtidiəs, ˈtidʒəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tee-dee-uhs, tee-juhs] Show IPA Use tedious in a Sentence –adjective 1. marked by tedium; long and tiresome: tedious tasks; a tedious journey. 2. wordy so as to cause weariness or boredom, as a speaker or writer; prolix. I'm still pretty sure you just mean tenuous. |
Gmr Leon
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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes
Those are not quite the same kind of portals. At least that I mean. I am talking about portals that go from the Realm of Torment to Tyria. I think Roupe is too since the topic is about Abaddon getting access to Tyria.
Those portals are Tyria to Tyria and are not of the subject matter, to be honest. Just like the portals in the Gate of Madness mission - except those are Realm of Torment to Realm of Torment instead of Tyria to Tyria. |
MartynThompson
Or........ ordan did die in the hall of heroes by angry spirits with nothing to do with Abbadon .And Abbadon created a Chaos Rift. or Titan portal though i dotn know about tian portal. and wem ust remember the char still have char still have titan lords . after you finish the Ebonvanguard part of Eotn there is a quest from Captain Langmar " Smell of Titan in the morning" and you kill a Titan in Sancoth Valley.
draxynnic
How exactly Odran died isn't really relevant - however, the fact that Abaddon's influence started being felt within a few decades (the Fortune Teller, the Titan found by the Charr) of some mage opening a bunch of portals between Tyria and various places in the Mists is very suggestive - consider just how many things in the GW timeline happened 'two hundred years ago'. Remember that all the references to Odran's story we have come from a period of time when knowledge of Abaddon was still suppressed and, thus, any connection between his death and Abaddon would also be suppressed.
For instance, one question that has to be asked is... what was really the motive of the spirits for destroying Odran? The story in the Prophecies Manuscripts basically reads like a morality tale about not going where you aren't supposed to be, but the spirits don't seem to be particularly hostile to mortals now. It's not impossible that Odran's real crime was in breaching the Realm of Torment, and the story we're given of his death was circulated in order to discourage anyone else from blundering into the Realm without revealing just what the gods (and possibly the spirits) were worried about.
For instance, one question that has to be asked is... what was really the motive of the spirits for destroying Odran? The story in the Prophecies Manuscripts basically reads like a morality tale about not going where you aren't supposed to be, but the spirits don't seem to be particularly hostile to mortals now. It's not impossible that Odran's real crime was in breaching the Realm of Torment, and the story we're given of his death was circulated in order to discourage anyone else from blundering into the Realm without revealing just what the gods (and possibly the spirits) were worried about.