So ive been playing a dervish for a long time but its all self heal
[skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Eternal Aura[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Victorious Sweep[/skill][skill]Faithful Intervention[/skill][skill]Mystic Vigor[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Vital boon[/skill]
Scythe Mastery 12+1+1
Mysticism 10+1
Earth Prayers 8+1
srry if those dont add up i dont remember wat they are
I basically keep my self alive with out the help of healer but i do not do enough damage
I would like a new build to do more damage I dont care if its completely new or changed off this one just need some advice
Just need a High Dps Build
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MrGuildBoi
Replace Mystic Vigor and put in [Aura of Holy Might] maybe.
Tyla
Far too much self preservation. You should only need one, maybe two self defense skills.
I suggest:
[wounding strike][chilling victory][mystic sweep][no skill][attacker's insight][aura of holy might][flail][no skill]
Res or whatever in slot 8. Skill 4 depends. I suggest putting in Distracting Strike as an AoE interrupt and IAS attack skill. Maybe Wild Blow for 100% crits, but switch Flail for HoF. Asuran Scan is highly recommended. SY is also good.
Keep in mind this will not work with a conjure, and if you feel like blowing stuff up, take a hero with Strength of Honour, maybe with Barbs and Mark of Pain, another with Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage, another with Orders (I advise SY) and watch everything pop!
I suggest:
[wounding strike][chilling victory][mystic sweep][no skill][attacker's insight][aura of holy might][flail][no skill]
Res or whatever in slot 8. Skill 4 depends. I suggest putting in Distracting Strike as an AoE interrupt and IAS attack skill. Maybe Wild Blow for 100% crits, but switch Flail for HoF. Asuran Scan is highly recommended. SY is also good.
Keep in mind this will not work with a conjure, and if you feel like blowing stuff up, take a hero with Strength of Honour, maybe with Barbs and Mark of Pain, another with Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage, another with Orders (I advise SY) and watch everything pop!
-Lotus-
replace the last 4 skills on the original bar with [Aura of Holy Might], [Wild Blow], [Heart of Fury] and a ridiculous PvE skill.
zelgadissan
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
replace the last 4 skills on the original bar with [Aura of Holy Might], [Wild Blow], [Heart of Fury] and a ridiculous PvE skill.
This, with ridiculous PvE skill = new [Asuran Scan]
Cathode_Reborn
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Replace the elite with Zealous Vow, go 12/12 Scythe/Wind.
Replace Whirlwind with Asuran Scan for more single target damage. Works alot better with an Orders on the team since Flail is an adren hog that will slow down the "SY" spam.
Replace the elite with Zealous Vow, go 12/12 Scythe/Wind.
Replace Whirlwind with Asuran Scan for more single target damage. Works alot better with an Orders on the team since Flail is an adren hog that will slow down the "SY" spam.
Tender Care
drop [faithful intervention] for [aura of holy might] and [eremites attack] for [wild blow] or [whirlwind attack] as many said.
But most of all: don't use only dervish skills.....there are many other profession skills u can use in dervish combos....
wanna try something really sick?? replace all self healing skills with [grenths balance] and put some more attack skills + [attacker's insight]...strange but can still work
EDIT: [heart of fury] MUST always be in ur skillbar! pve or pvp doesn't matter....best skill for improving attack speed
But most of all: don't use only dervish skills.....there are many other profession skills u can use in dervish combos....
wanna try something really sick?? replace all self healing skills with [grenths balance] and put some more attack skills + [attacker's insight]...strange but can still work
EDIT: [heart of fury] MUST always be in ur skillbar! pve or pvp doesn't matter....best skill for improving attack speed
Online Gamer
okay i see some improvements but would [skill]Aura of holy might[/skill] stack with [skill]asuran scan[/skill]
-Lotus-
yes
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Sir Pandra Pierva
[avatar of lyssa][protector's strike][mystic sweep][eremite's attack][wild blow][eternal aura][asuran scan][aura of holy might]
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks.
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
[avatar of lyssa][protector's strike][mystic sweep][eremite's attack][wild blow][eternal aura][asuran scan][aura of holy might]
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks. Ha ha ouch time!
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks. Ha ha ouch time!
daze
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
[avatar of lyssa][protector's strike][mystic sweep][eremite's attack][wild blow][eternal aura][asuran scan][aura of holy might]
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks. [avatar of lyssa] + [radiant scythe] = nice big damage.
[avatar of lyssa] + [asuran scan] + [aura of holy might] + [radiant scythe] = nice big domage
I would take out either [mystic sweep] or [eremite's attack] and replace with [radiant scythe]
attack until you see the enemy start using skills then hit your attacks. [avatar of lyssa] + [radiant scythe] = nice big damage.
[avatar of lyssa] + [asuran scan] + [aura of holy might] + [radiant scythe] = nice big domage
I would take out either [mystic sweep] or [eremite's attack] and replace with [radiant scythe]
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by daze
[avatar of lyssa] + [radiant scythe] = nice big damage.
[avatar of lyssa] + [asuran scan] + [aura of holy might] + [radiant scythe] = nice big domage
I would take out either [mystic sweep] or [eremite's attack] and replace with [radiant scythe] I disagree. you realy shouldnt have high enough energy to get the full damage from radiant scythe, and if you arent getting hte full damage you should probably just use victorious anyways. and in either case the timed attacks are just scary with lyssa.
[avatar of lyssa] + [asuran scan] + [aura of holy might] + [radiant scythe] = nice big domage
I would take out either [mystic sweep] or [eremite's attack] and replace with [radiant scythe] I disagree. you realy shouldnt have high enough energy to get the full damage from radiant scythe, and if you arent getting hte full damage you should probably just use victorious anyways. and in either case the timed attacks are just scary with lyssa.
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
mysic/eremite's = .75 sec
(an IAS will reduce both)
an attack skill that has no activation time uses the weapon's default activation time. a Wooh. Even under an IAS, Mystic/Eremite's is 0.75... it does cancel out auto attacking though
[email protected]: srsly? I never noticed that
I always thought they were set activation times (hence being specifically mentioned in the skill description) where is this demonstrated? (link plz?)Edited by Celestial Beaver: Please don't try to induce further flaming!
DarkNecrid
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For example, a normal scythe attack under 33% ias comes out at 1.17 seconds.
1.75 - 1.17 = 0.58 second increase.
A 0.75 second attack under 33% IAS comes out at 0.50 seconds.
0.75 - 0.5 = 0.25 (It's actually 0.2475 seconds, but I rounded up.)
The slower attack got nearly twice the reduction speed because of how math works, so it's far more noticeable. It's a lot harder to notice that quarter of a second reduction, but it is indeed there.
Burst Cancel
I love how people think that saying, "It's just my opinion" somehow makes them immune from criticism.
Lyssa provides a massive, persistent damage bonus, so the rest of the build revolves around trying to trigger that bonus as much as possible. That means going for low-cost, low-recharge, fast-draw attacks. Protstrike, mystic, and eremite's happen to fall neatly into that category. The fact that these skills have low inherent damage bonuses is a minor negative because they are designed to piggyback on Lyssa's +44.
This is particularly important in Hard Mode, where most enemies activate skills so quickly that normal attacks are unreliable for triggering Lyssa's bonus. Certainly, you can take Radiant + Lyssa against a spirit spammer for t3h lulz, but its overall usefulness is unimpressive.
Lyssa provides a massive, persistent damage bonus, so the rest of the build revolves around trying to trigger that bonus as much as possible. That means going for low-cost, low-recharge, fast-draw attacks. Protstrike, mystic, and eremite's happen to fall neatly into that category. The fact that these skills have low inherent damage bonuses is a minor negative because they are designed to piggyback on Lyssa's +44.
This is particularly important in Hard Mode, where most enemies activate skills so quickly that normal attacks are unreliable for triggering Lyssa's bonus. Certainly, you can take Radiant + Lyssa against a spirit spammer for t3h lulz, but its overall usefulness is unimpressive.
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by tara nuwan
I was led to believe that [radiant scythe] + [avatar of lyssa] was a bad choice. Can you explain if it would be better to bring [radiant scythe] or [eremites attack] or [mystic sweep] if you are running a lyssa build?
why not bring all three?
Sirius-NZ
I usually would decide between Radiant Scythe or Wild Blow. For general use the latter is better since it lets you strip stances and is unblockable, but Radiant Scythe does do slightly more damage under ideal circumstances (on the downside, the circumstances aren't usually as good as you'd want; the second time you use Radiant you'll probably only have ~10 energy, while WB doesn't care).
AoHM Lyssa builds do tend to get > 100 on hits on a regular basis, Radiant or not (just that Radiant gives you that bit more). Throw in Asuran Scan and probably more so, but I normally have a res in that slot.
Burst Cancel
Re: Asuran Scan, at 75% damage boost with no cast time it's probably worth taking over an additional attack skill - or any other skill, for that matter. About the only thing that even comes close is Pain Inverter, and only in ideal cases.
Cathode_Reborn
I thought people already knew that extra energy is not e-management
 I myself wouldn't use Radiant Scythe, even on a Lyssa bar - I'd rather take advantage of that extra energy rather than lettin it stay a little high just to get +dmg out of Radiant.
illidan009
Why are so many ppl trying to change the elite...Lyssa is awesome and fun. Add the factions skill(aura of holy might), mass scythe atks like farmer's scythe, RADIANT SCYTHE, and Lyssa's Assault...use attacker's insight if e management is required. If you have it Air of Superiority may be needed as those scythe skills have long recharge(12seconds?)
zelgadissan
Radiant Scythe is an attack you can only use once per battle as your opening attack. If you have enough energy to make it worthwhile over something else at any other time during the battle, then you're doing something wrong.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
Radiant Scythe is an attack you can only use once per battle as your opening attack. If you have enough energy to make it worthwhile over something else at any other time during the battle, then you're doing something wrong.
I suppose Radiant Scythe could be used as an opening attack since it has a nice damage boost if you're energy pool is up there but I would rather take a fast activating attack skill like mystic sweep and get its bonus for damage along with AoL's when the enemy uses an attack skill. Assume for a moment you are running 2 enchantments Aura of Holy Might and Heart of Fury. That's +20 for mystic sweep at 14 scythe mastery...then the foe is also using a skill that's another +44 damage at 13 mysticism. In total you have +64 damage. You may be able to get lucky and catch a slow activating skill with Radiant and get a slightly better damage boost but I find the fast activating skills more reliable and then can be used whatever lvl your energy is at...except zero of course heh.
zelgadissan
^ Thank you, you're pretty much explaining my point. Radiant is a skill that looks like it would be good, and then you see that if you have the energy to make it work at any other point in battle, you're either not using other attacks or not setting up your important enchants like [Heart of Fury] or [Aura of Holy Might]. AKA failing.
legacyofkain85
5 skills of your choice and [Avatar of Lyssa],[Aura of Holy Might],[Asuran Scan],dont forget your ias to[Heart of Fury]
-Lotus-
^ you forgot [Eternal Aura]
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
5 skills of your choice and [Avatar of Lyssa],[Aura of Holy Might],[Asuran Scan],dont forget your ias to[Heart of Fury]
too bad dervish dont have a constant ias
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
too bad dervish dont have a constant ias
[Heart of Fury] + [Eternal Aura] = close enough.
elixeyu
hmm may I suggest drunken master for those that have max dwarf rep+love drinking booze? = 33% attack/movement? increase the dps
obsidian ectoplasm
what about that Pius fury or whatever its called?
dotn know it well i just thought maybe... -Lotus-
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Originally Posted by obsidian ectoplasm
what about that Pius fury or whatever its called?
dotn know it well i just thought maybe... it removes an enchantment. which isnt usually a good thing, you have to have an enchantment on your bar you want to remove or else you will be removing AOHM or some prot, and that would be bad.
MercenaryKnight
Would be good to remove eternal aura I suppose. But heart of fury seems like a better choice.
Tyla
No Eternal Aura is what makes an Avatar build weaker.
zelgadissan
I think what he means is have [Pious Fury] strip [Eternal Aura] for the recharge.
At least, I hope that's what he means.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
I think what he means is have [Pious Fury] strip [Eternal Aura] for the recharge.
At least, I hope that's what he means. [Pious Fury] isn't a very good alternative to [heart of fury] eventually you're going to strip an important enchant like Aura of Holy Might and if you avoid doing that you're probably going to spend most of your time without IAS. The only use I see for this skill is in a build with no enchantments...even then you'd probably end up stripping a monk prot at a critical time and getting ganked.
zelgadissan
I'm not saying Pious Fury is good. I don't even consider it an option. I'm just explaining mainly to Tyla - I think he assumed what was meant above was take Pious Fury on your bar instead of Eternal Aura - I took it as use Pious Fury to strip Eternal Aura.
VV Haha, makes sense.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
I'm not saying Pious Fury is good. I don't even consider it an option. I'm just explaining mainly to Tyla - I think he assumed what was meant above was take Pious Fury on your bar instead of Eternal Aura - I took it as use Pious Fury to strip Eternal Aura.
I didn't think you did you were just the unfortunate person I quoted lol.
elixeyu
constant IAS = Drunken Master ...read the fine print while drunk = 33% attack/movement...= constant I can see the pro-cons on which this may be problem 60sec recharge...through max dwarf rep = 33 dps/movement+90 sec duration giving you a spare 30sec.. cool down or w/e...unlike Heart of Fury = 30sec charge less charge time, but there is quiet little enchantment removal+stance removal in pve ...yes it sets them on fire for few seconds...I'd rather constant dps...than having to renew HoS ...with Eternal Aura...imo...why always avatars
 ...Wounding Strike <3AoB = pve why only +40ac+holy dmg(only effect for undead I guess?)+33% movement...hmm +40ac in PvE = not really need ...through lyssa /agree decent pve avatar as well max out kurz for AoM = ^^
Sir Pandra Pierva
wtf was just said there.....english plz...
but i forgot about drunken master
elixeyu
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Sir Pandra Pierva wtf was just said there.....english plz...
was just dicussing the pro-cons of drunken mastery vs AoB+HoS
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