I've been soloing smite crawlers for a day, just thought I'd try something new. The only problem is I don't seem to be making any money.
If they are profitable, how much money per hour should I be making?
ALSO, can they drop perfect Storm or Eternal bows in NM?
Are smite crawlers profitable?
clbembry
wetsparks
smites should be dropping you ectos so they are fairly profitable
clbembry
Hmm... I must just be unlucky. I've done around 5-10 runs and the best item I've gotten was a shield which i merched for 200 gold.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by clbembry
Hmm... I must just be unlucky. I've done around 5-10 runs and the best item I've gotten was a shield which i merched for 200 gold.
I hope you're not merching your ectos...that could take away the profitablity of the farm pretty fast 
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
I hope you're not merching your ectos...that could take away the profitablity of the farm pretty fast
I didn't get an ecto until about my 15th run. I cleared all the smites each run. Some people are just really unlucky I suppose.
I didn't get an ecto until about my 15th run. I cleared all the smites each run. Some people are just really unlucky I suppose.
_Nihilist_
First off, what prof are you using?
2nd, are you killing the Smites one at a time or are you dealing damage to them all at once with AoE spells or attacks?
I can honestly say that if you are looking for profit and don't have money to burn on 1k trips through UW in search of Ectos, a build that will kill the Smites 1 at a time yields infinitely better results *per run*, but not per hour, as the runs take longer to complete.
I farm the Smites with a solo build that kills 1 at a time, and about half of the enemies I kill yield a drop. Some are the pathetic 4 Piles of Glittering Bull****, some are Remains, some are weapons/offhands, and some are Ectos. Some runs you will get no Ectos, some runs you could get upwards of 4 or more Ectos.
Hope this helps!
2nd, are you killing the Smites one at a time or are you dealing damage to them all at once with AoE spells or attacks?
I can honestly say that if you are looking for profit and don't have money to burn on 1k trips through UW in search of Ectos, a build that will kill the Smites 1 at a time yields infinitely better results *per run*, but not per hour, as the runs take longer to complete.
I farm the Smites with a solo build that kills 1 at a time, and about half of the enemies I kill yield a drop. Some are the pathetic 4 Piles of Glittering Bull****, some are Remains, some are weapons/offhands, and some are Ectos. Some runs you will get no Ectos, some runs you could get upwards of 4 or more Ectos.
Hope this helps!
Luminarus
Its a tossup, the best way to kill things for drops (imo) is aoe, with some single target damage. This lowers all foes hp fast, then u drop em one at a time for more drops.
Also have to consider, killing all at once IS faster then 1 at a time. U may get twice as many drops killing single, but if it takes twice as long, you havent really gained anything, especially since ectos arent effected by that.
Also have to consider, killing all at once IS faster then 1 at a time. U may get twice as many drops killing single, but if it takes twice as long, you havent really gained anything, especially since ectos arent effected by that.
okashii
IMO :
Farming smites is profitable if you are using a A/E Sliver build on Hard Mode
Farming smites is profitable if you are using a A/E Sliver build on Hard Mode
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong
I can honestly say that if you are looking for profit and don't have money to burn on 1k trips through UW in search of Ectos, a build that will kill the Smites 1 at a time yields infinitely better results *per run*, but not per hour, as the runs take longer to complete.
This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.
_Nihilist_
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
Also have to consider, killing all at once IS faster then 1 at a time. U may get twice as many drops killing single, but if it takes twice as long, you havent really gained anything, especially since ectos arent effected by that.
My runs take an average of 35 minutes, but I'm fine with that. I farm when no one on my Friend List is on, otherwise, I have a lot more fun with the game, and consequently don't burn out as fast on farming, when I am just getting cash-flow from Mish/Bonus, HM Vanquishing, and Dungeon running.
Currently I have been focusing more on my Treasure Hunter title, so Chest Runs or Kilroy runs have been decently profitable. That and selling my gold drops as unid's...
Quote: Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
This isn't true.
Yes, it is Marty. I think I know how much I can get per run better than you can guess, the same as I am quite sure that you know your drop rates better than I could guess. I'm not saying you aren't knowledgeable, I follow your posts, and they always have accurate information, but you don't know the specifics of the runs that I have done. If you did, we would have been on a duo run, which has never happened.
Also, I'm not talking about the Ecto drop rate, which is unaffected, as Lumi pointed out, I'm talking about drops period. When farming with an AoE build I get less drops total; when I farm with a single-target build, I get more drops total. Ectos are always a toss-up, anywhere from 0-4 per run on a Smite run for me so far, but again, Ectos aren't affected like everything else is in farming drop rates.
Sorry if I made it seem like I was talking about the Ectos dropping, that wasn't my aim.
Also, I'm not talking about the Ecto drop rate, which is unaffected, as Lumi pointed out, I'm talking about drops period. When farming with an AoE build I get less drops total; when I farm with a single-target build, I get more drops total. Ectos are always a toss-up, anywhere from 0-4 per run on a Smite run for me so far, but again, Ectos aren't affected like everything else is in farming drop rates.
Sorry if I made it seem like I was talking about the Ectos dropping, that wasn't my aim.
Chucky333
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
Its a tossup, the best way to kill things for drops (imo) is aoe, with some single target damage. This lowers all foes hp fast, then u drop em one at a time for more drops.
Also have to consider, killing all at once IS faster then 1 at a time. U may get twice as many drops killing single, but if it takes twice as long, you havent really gained anything, especially since ectos arent effected by that. Wasnt that already proven to be bullshit?
oh well..
Anyway, to the OP: IIRC, the chance of smites dropping an ecto is somewhere around 2%, meaning it might take you ages to see an ecto drop.
With the value of ectos today i wouldn't bother, really.
Consider FOW or UW clears on HM, DoA runs, Chest runs, even vanquishes will net you piles of money and also make progress on the respective title.
Also have to consider, killing all at once IS faster then 1 at a time. U may get twice as many drops killing single, but if it takes twice as long, you havent really gained anything, especially since ectos arent effected by that. Wasnt that already proven to be bullshit?
oh well..
Anyway, to the OP: IIRC, the chance of smites dropping an ecto is somewhere around 2%, meaning it might take you ages to see an ecto drop.
With the value of ectos today i wouldn't bother, really.
Consider FOW or UW clears on HM, DoA runs, Chest runs, even vanquishes will net you piles of money and also make progress on the respective title.
Tender Care
If for profitable u mean: ECTOS, the answer is NO.....i must be unlucky, but in many runs i don't even get an ecto so far, nor a gold (even common), nor much drops to get back the 1k u pay to enter.....I don't farm smites anymore.
Better to clean the Chaos Plains with a sin or whatever u want...more ectos, a bunch of golds and a bunch of drops u can merch and recover like 3/4 k (or materials) per run!!!
Better to clean the Chaos Plains with a sin or whatever u want...more ectos, a bunch of golds and a bunch of drops u can merch and recover like 3/4 k (or materials) per run!!!
zelgadissan
Back before *easily done* perma-sins I did the smites a few times. I got three ectos on my very first run, then didn't see another for probably 15 tries. I did get 3-4 golds in those runs though, plus 2-3 UW scrolls, which for normal mode I was pretty happy with. Oh, and a gold from a Dying Nightmare 
All depends on your luck, really. It's not near as profitable compared to the Chaos Planes just due to the sheer numbers there, but it's a nice change-up now and then, and probably done a litter faster since the anti-farm changes.
All depends on your luck, really. It's not near as profitable compared to the Chaos Planes just due to the sheer numbers there, but it's a nice change-up now and then, and probably done a litter faster since the anti-farm changes.
My Lipgloss is Cool
@Tender; it must be your luck, because I don't believe I've ever been on a run where I havn't made back my entrance fee.
Fay Vert
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.
I have seen NO PROOF
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill.
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill.
Lord Zion
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Originally Posted by okashii
IMO :
Farming smites is profitable if you are using a A/E Sliver build on Hard Mode just curious, how can you survive to all the zealots fire damage from smites? Is shadow refuge or any other regen skill available to a/e able to counter that damage?
Farming smites is profitable if you are using a A/E Sliver build on Hard Mode just curious, how can you survive to all the zealots fire damage from smites? Is shadow refuge or any other regen skill available to a/e able to counter that damage?
okashii
Air of Superiority + Feigned Neurality
Lord Zion
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Originally Posted by okashii
Air of Superiority + Feigned Neurality
ok tyvm! will try this tonight.
okashii
dont thank me, thank rezdog
clbembry
I just wanna say thanks for all of the replies. I'll look into the Chaos Planes and FoW.
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2nd, are you killing the Smites one at a time or are you dealing damage to them all at once with AoE spells or attacks?
I can honestly say that if you are looking for profit and don't have money to burn on 1k trips through UW in search of Ectos, a build that will kill the Smites 1 at a time yields infinitely better results *per run*, but not per hour, as the runs take longer to complete.
I farm the Smites with a solo build that kills 1 at a time, and about half of the enemies I kill yield a drop. Some are the pathetic 4 Piles of Glittering Bull****, some are Remains, some are weapons/offhands, and some are Ectos. Some runs you will get no Ectos, some runs you could get upwards of 4 or more Ectos.
Hope this helps! I'm not merching the Ecto's, I havn't gotten one yet.
I'm using a Warrior/Dervish.
zelgadissan
If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt [[Vengeful Was Khanhei] farming.
clbembry
Ok I'll look into it right now.
Jade
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I have seen NO PROOF
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill. You really haven't seen the proof? Check this thread out here. I'd say it's pretty conclusive.
Back on topic though. I've been playing the game since it came out and I bet you I could count the number of times I've gone into UW on one hand. It just never really appealed to me that much. I think I might pull out the tiny stack of uw scrolls that's been rotting in my storage though and give it a whirl. I mean, there's been a lot of help offered here and I'd be an ass not to take advantage of it. Or to not take inspiration from it. Thanks guys!
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill. You really haven't seen the proof? Check this thread out here. I'd say it's pretty conclusive.
Back on topic though. I've been playing the game since it came out and I bet you I could count the number of times I've gone into UW on one hand. It just never really appealed to me that much. I think I might pull out the tiny stack of uw scrolls that's been rotting in my storage though and give it a whirl. I mean, there's been a lot of help offered here and I'd be an ass not to take advantage of it. Or to not take inspiration from it. Thanks guys!
MisterB
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt [[Vengeful Was Khanhei] farming.
Warrior/Dervish scythe with [[Rending Aura] is faster, although less forgiving. W/D can also use axe, again faster than a VwK W/Rt. don't feel no pain's W/Me with an axe is faster still; it's probably the fastest warrior build to farm the smites.
Witte's VwK W/Rt can venture into the Chaos Plains and Bone Pits, however, and the others can not.
Witte's VwK W/Rt can venture into the Chaos Plains and Bone Pits, however, and the others can not.
XkristoferX
for me, Smites have never dropped as many ectos as of the Bladeds or Mindblades.
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t3dw4rd0
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Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I have seen NO PROOF
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill. This was clarified for me a while ago. Killing mobs with aoe will lessen the drops, as it decides then whether or not you get the predetermined drop. HOWEVER ectos, being crafting materials, are exempt from scaling, so this rule does not apply to them. Kill as many smites at once as you can. If they have an ecto, they'll drop it.
I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill. This was clarified for me a while ago. Killing mobs with aoe will lessen the drops, as it decides then whether or not you get the predetermined drop. HOWEVER ectos, being crafting materials, are exempt from scaling, so this rule does not apply to them. Kill as many smites at once as you can. If they have an ecto, they'll drop it.
_Nihilist_
^^^
Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.
Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.
As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW.
Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.
Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.
As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong
^^^
Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.
Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.
As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW. Tbh, if you feel that way, just do chaos planes. It takes me maybe 35-40 minutes a run with the current shadow form and monster changes, always make a profit pure cash-wise, and generally get between 2-10 ectos a run (absolute worst run ever was 1 ecto, got about 4 golds and a ruby that run too though). The only reason to run smites over chaos planes is the speed of runs, so if you're intentionally gimping your speed, you're therefore also defeating the entire purpose of running that area in the first place.
Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.
Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.
As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW. Tbh, if you feel that way, just do chaos planes. It takes me maybe 35-40 minutes a run with the current shadow form and monster changes, always make a profit pure cash-wise, and generally get between 2-10 ectos a run (absolute worst run ever was 1 ecto, got about 4 golds and a ruby that run too though). The only reason to run smites over chaos planes is the speed of runs, so if you're intentionally gimping your speed, you're therefore also defeating the entire purpose of running that area in the first place.
Tender Care
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.
Totally agree
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....
@My Lipgloss is Cool: Yeah....must be my luck...but since many other ppl said this i believe it's not only a problem of mine. Smites Crawlers are not so profitable, which is meant: 5/10 runs they drop valuables things and you recover entrance fee.
Tombs of Primeval Kings are much more profitables then Smites Crawlers....Maybe not so many ectos but much more gold coins and gold items.
EDIT: Chaos Planes with w/rit VwK??? must be a joke...get interrupted and u are done..
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....
@My Lipgloss is Cool: Yeah....must be my luck...but since many other ppl said this i believe it's not only a problem of mine. Smites Crawlers are not so profitable, which is meant: 5/10 runs they drop valuables things and you recover entrance fee.
Tombs of Primeval Kings are much more profitables then Smites Crawlers....Maybe not so many ectos but much more gold coins and gold items.
EDIT: Chaos Planes with w/rit VwK??? must be a joke...get interrupted and u are done..
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by Tender Care
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.
Totally agree
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....
What? Kill 27 mindblades at once and you will end up with like 5 drops. Kill them 1 by 1 and you'll have close to 27 drops.
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....
What? Kill 27 mindblades at once and you will end up with like 5 drops. Kill them 1 by 1 and you'll have close to 27 drops.
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Tender Care
EDIT: Chaos Planes with w/rit VwK??? must be a joke...get interrupted and u are done..
No joke, but it's an old build. Unsure how various updates have affected it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102712
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102712
uzumaki
In short, yes very profitable. Some of you people have horrible luck! no ecto in 10-15 runs JESUS.. i usually get 1-2 a run from smites and i have overfarmed the crap out of them ;O occasionally youl get 0 for a few consecutive runs.
Oh and as far as my own experience is concerned aoe killing definetly does decrease your common drops but ecto droprate is unaffected it works the same way as loot scaling in effect. If you want ecto, aoe is the way to go tbh youl do faster runs get the same amount of ecto.
Oh and as far as my own experience is concerned aoe killing definetly does decrease your common drops but ecto droprate is unaffected it works the same way as loot scaling in effect. If you want ecto, aoe is the way to go tbh youl do faster runs get the same amount of ecto.
Zorgy
"...If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt Vengeful Was Khanhei..."
As far as my own experience is concerned, I have been using the W/Rt build for months, the drop rate of ecto has been changed since the Assassin build nerf.
I repeat again, I have been using the W/Rt for months and I was ALWAYS getting 1 or 2 & sometimes 3 ectos per run.
After the nerf I get ZERO ecto folks....note that I do 1 or 2 runs per day only.
I would like feedbacks from players using W/Rt, do you encounter the same reality = ZERO ecto ???????????
As far as my own experience is concerned, I have been using the W/Rt build for months, the drop rate of ecto has been changed since the Assassin build nerf.
I repeat again, I have been using the W/Rt for months and I was ALWAYS getting 1 or 2 & sometimes 3 ectos per run.
After the nerf I get ZERO ecto folks....note that I do 1 or 2 runs per day only.
I would like feedbacks from players using W/Rt, do you encounter the same reality = ZERO ecto ???????????
english storm
I gave up on W/Rt as i never used to get any ecto's, it was so bad at the point i quit i would be lucky to get 1 ecto out of 10 runs. This was maybe 3-4 months ago and i haven't been back since. Used to do NM runs.
clbembry
Got my first ecto, run 13.
Daft Shifty
/agree with fay, do uw in 2-3 hours, lots and lots of drops. however do a sc in 30 and hardly filled inventory.
My Lipgloss is Cool
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Totally agree
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues.... Could someone explain this to me then?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=20
Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues.... Could someone explain this to me then?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=20
Destro Maniak
nope nothing is EXCEPT running missions for people
its the only way to earn money
because they make nearly everything to stop farming
its the only way to earn money
because they make nearly everything to stop farming
Age
You are like me I don't get any ecto when going to the UW as others do.I have only gotten one ecto in the entire history of the game and that was in The TomPs.It is either bad luck or the game hates you.