What happened to DoA?

But hey, that's what we wanted right? Sure doesn't sound like it by this thread. Most people knew that if Ursan was going to be nerfed that this would happen. Who else do you expect to inhabit a game that 3+ years old? Tons and tons of players like yourself? Nah, the Ursan naysayers dug the pugger's grave deep and with that, the grave of some elite areas. I'm just glad I got to experience those areas when I could. Not like DoA was the most scenic place to begin with (heaven forbid!) but at least I got to experience what I paid for.

before you say "my guild needs more people to do fow and DoA D:" then get more people or find a new guild and stop crying about it. How long do you think the present guilds would survive? Sooner or later they would also lose members and dissolve years after GW2 comes out. Do you agree?

And I doubt ANet would care much about maintaining GW1 or DoA then because they earn more money from GW2. If you are still in GW1 wanting to do DoA at that time, then you are screwed.

This is why I am a believer of heroes and everything should be able to be cleared with 6 heroes + 1 player. Otherwise DoA GW1 has the inescapable destiny of not having enough players and thus not playable then. Even if ANet says they would continue to maintain the server, it doesn't matter if the game isn't playable by then.

For those non-sympathizers who laughs at others holding deserted guilds, I dont need to curse you as I am sure your guild members would start to leave GW1 and your guild would disappear from GW1 by then following the footsteps of other guilds.

Wait a year or 2 and you will have your answer. If you think it is a ghost town today, wait till after GW2 is released. this is dumb. of course it will be deserted after GW2 is released. that's because GW2 WILL HAVE BEEN RELEASED. NO ONE WILL BE PLAYING GW1 THEN. it has nothing do with DoA now.

To all the people q.q'ing about pugs not being able to do DoA...I would like to point out one simple fact...this game is called:

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GUILD WARS! Not effing PuG Wars...so enough with the moaning and groaning already. It's called Guild Wars because of GvG.
(Some people like to throw lore in also but ...)
Now PvE was supposed to serve as an introduction to PvP. People were supposed to move away from PvE. DoA offers nothing to the PvP player - so there is no need for it to exist.
Now with all the unlocks - PvE itself offers nothing to the PvP player.
So there is no need for PvE's existence.
PvE can be removed.

That's if we stick to how things should be.

Guild wars is mainly pvp but there's still a TON of pve content, some of it is not for pugs cause they suck to bad to do it. This does not mean we need ursan back "what i think you mean by if we stick to things how they should be" Not having a Ursan means the good guilds with better players get to do things like DOA in HM and people that make guilds just for a cape dont get to do DOA. IMO this make people become better if they want to play the harder areas. In a few months you may see pugs doing Doa again cause the standard of player will be set higher than the 1,2,3,4 button mashing standard that Guild wars has atm. The point rather is that GW has evolved.
It went from "PvE -> PvP" in C1 to "play the game however you want!".
And the game is better because of it.

The problem is that there still are some parts where the old rigid rules still apply (like the number of heroes, or not being able to use hench) - and that prevents the game being more open then it could be.
And in a constantly changing game like GW - there is no reason why the game shouldn't be all that it can be.


Ohh and certain places aren't "guilds only" because guilds would represent this gathering of more skilled players (which would be the really good reason why such places should exist) - they are "guild only" because of the shitty design that pretty much requires a very specific tactic and that can only be achieved by gathering a group of individuals of a certain class with certain skills. The guild groups aren't more skilled players by default - they are just a selection of the right counters to the area. And that group is much easier to assemble in a guild rather then with a bunch of strangers.
That's why some areas are "guild only" and that's why they are so bad.

How many times when you PuG do you bring the perfect team and how many times do you just go with what is available?
That's the reason why PuGs have issues. It's the bad design of the area that prevents the use of "whatever is available" but rather demands a very specific tactic. It doesn't require skilled players - it just demands a cookie.
And that's what guilds are good for. They provide the cookie. dont see how its bad design, theres many ways to do every thing in guild wars, but most poeple only know of 1 or 2 wars cause they are the ways on wiki.

dont see how its bad design, theres many ways to do every thing in guild wars, but most poeple only know of 1 or 2 wars cause they are the ways on wiki. So what are the the "many ways" of doing Mallyx then?

i only know 1 way to do that but that does not mean theres only 1 way to do it.

Also just cause that 1 quest only has 1 known way does not mean that every thing can only be done 1 way, and imo thats a rly bad straw man You stated that "everything" in GW can be done in more then two ways.
And that is true for most part.
I am able to do a lot of things with a very varied combination of classes and a varied combination of skills.
In a game with 10 classes and only 8 slots - that's pretty much a must.

You are in agreement with people that feel that elite areas should be reserved for very organized teams - yet fail to produce any knowledge that would justify that. With you only knowing ONE way to do Mallyx you aren't smarter then the average PuGger.
So you have dumb people who are able to do certain areas because they are in a guild and then you have dumb people who AREN'T able to do it because they aren't in a right guild.
I'd say that's a VERY good sign of bad design since the people not being able to do it aren't not able to do it because they would be bad - the only reason why they can not do it is because they can not provide the people that make up the cookie.

You stated that "everything" in GW can be done in more then two ways.
And that is true for most part.
I am able to do a lot of things with a very varied combination of classes and a varied combination of skills.
In a game with 10 classes and only 8 slots - that's pretty much a must.

You are in agreement with people that feel that elite areas should be reserved for very organized teams - yet fail to produce any knowledge that would justify that. With you only knowing ONE way to do Mallyx you aren't smarter then the average PuGger.
So you have dumb people who are able to do certain areas because they are in a guild and then you have dumb people who AREN'T able to do it because they aren't in a right guild.
I'd say that's a VERY good sign of bad design since the people not being able to do it aren't not able to do it because they would be bad - the only reason why they can not do it is because they can not provide the people that make up the cookie. dude just cause theres only 1 way do to mallyx does not mean every thing only was 1 way to be done. theres tons of ways to do DoA, UW, Fow etc

dude just cause theres only 1 way do to mallyx does not mean every thing only was 1 way to be done. theres tons of ways to do DoA, UW, Fow etc Why are you making things up that I didn't even say?