I won't pay if the runner fail :P
Normally I always do by myself but 1 time I was going from LA to Ascalon with my Rt.
I saw a runner shouting in LA "Pro Runner to ascalon 1.5k bla bla.. " so I joined his party.
The run was so slow he got lost all the time in Diessa Lowlands and The Breach even my Rt with PvE spirit spammer build without any running skill still reached the next area before him by walking :P
Once we zoned to Old Ascalon I told him to stop running ppl, we had some argue then he left party :P
No Pay for a Sucky Run. Get Over It.
pOmrAkkUn
cataphract
IMHO, running from LA to Ascalon makes no sense since you'll be arriving to LA with a lvl 20 toon, max armor and secondary professions available. One can either run to Ascalon on his own or easily go through ever-weakening mobs as he nears Ascalon. But, that's just me.
Laughing Bat
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IMHO, running from LA to Ascalon makes no sense since you'll be arriving to LA with a lvl 20 toon, max armor and secondary professions available. One can either run to Ascalon on his own or easily go through ever-weakening mobs as he nears Ascalon. But, that's just me.
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Khazad Guard
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He /report's me and checks the "Leeching" box...First of all, /report does nothing. The Leeching form only applies to people who join a low-end PvP game and go AFK to get points for nothing. So stop clogging up the server with four kilobytes worth of crap.
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If the runner does his job pay him, if you don't pay him because it was a "sucky" run, do it yourself. If the runner said "Running Shiro, 1k NM, 2k HM, will finish in exactly 1.12 minutes or no need to pay" and he finished in 1.14 secs then you don't need to pay. At the end of the day it's ~2k, something you could have easily spent your 30mins waiting in Abaddon's Mouth earning.
SkekSister
You ask for a service. If that service is delivered pay for it. That's it.
Alex Dimitri
Guess some people don`t pay the bus if they don`t like driver :P ! First of all if u find runner that doesn`t take your gold before run actualy starts (or half of sum) u have a newbie "runner" !!! If u need runs just take on someone who is proven to be GOOD (GURU services, few names are well respected) honest people do state what they do with 100% success (u ain`t gonna like the price 
, but it`s well worth) !
, but it`s well worth) !
Abedeus
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Guess some people don`t pay the bus if they don`t like driver :P !
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Same if an airplane flight is delayed by an hour-two hours.
But since runners don't have schedules (they don't... right...?), and they don't say how long it will take (unless it's a runner "RUNNING SHIRO MASTERS" in Imperial Sanctum and he does only Standard/Expert), so you have no right to scam them like that. Because that's what it is - scamming.
RedNova88
Runners can be the cause of much mental pain. In my experiences I have only ever "jipped" one single runner. This player was just... too freakin' much. I was trying to get a run to Drok's for a set max armor for my Survivor character so I could go back and quest without being paranoid and nervous the entire time. Anyway he asked for us to show money so we all did, one guy took about 10 minutes to respond and all we heard from the leader was a bunch of leet speak that none of us could understand. We couldn't tell if he was trying to be cool, or having a seizure on his keyboard. So finally the last person shows their money and we're on our merry way. I stick to the rear to avoid drawing attention and risking the title, the 4 other people were generous enough to clear out any mobs that came close enough to do harm. So one of them asks me if I'm working on Survivor and I say yes, then we sit afk for a minute or two.
Then all of a sudden we see our craptastic Dervish runner come charging back with a boss and a bunch of other mobs tailing him, he dies and calls us all nubs while I kindly zone out to prevent my death. He PMs me a moment later shouting things which again I do not clearly understand, I only could understand "wer my 2k fVVk3n n0oB" or something to that extent. He went to ignore and that was the end of him.
Did I also mention he died twice at the start of the run?
EDIT: Well I guess I didn't technically "jip" him because he never actually delivered the service.
Then all of a sudden we see our craptastic Dervish runner come charging back with a boss and a bunch of other mobs tailing him, he dies and calls us all nubs while I kindly zone out to prevent my death. He PMs me a moment later shouting things which again I do not clearly understand, I only could understand "wer my 2k fVVk3n n0oB" or something to that extent. He went to ignore and that was the end of him.
Did I also mention he died twice at the start of the run?
EDIT: Well I guess I didn't technically "jip" him because he never actually delivered the service.
pamelf
I refused to pay a runner the other day because he simply heaped abuse on us the entire time. Running is a risk, you can't be banned for not paying a run, and if runners want money they need to be more conscientionus.
Dawgboy
If the runner's hurting your poor little feelings LEAVE. Simple as that.
the Puppeteer
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For example, I had some kid run me through the last mission in Nightfall. He has to go to dinner when Abaddon is half-dead.
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I disapprove not paying to runners if you already made a deal.
However I approve if the deal is - if you suck I don't pay (which is what should be done if you really need a run)
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[Morkai]
It's funny because bad runners think that shouting and /reporting gets them places. WRONG.
Anerf doesn't endorse running, they think it breaks their game, as it's not being played as it should be. (In the grand scale they only care about sales but let's not play that game today).
So tbh reporting gets people nowhere, so just move on imo, d/w about it.
Anerf doesn't endorse running, they think it breaks their game, as it's not being played as it should be. (In the grand scale they only care about sales but let's not play that game today).
So tbh reporting gets people nowhere, so just move on imo, d/w about it.
dread pirate fargus
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You don't get rich running
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kratimas
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We all use runners one time or another, but what about when they do their job badly? Usually if I hire a runner and it sucks I just don't pay him.
For example, I had some kid run me through the last mission in Nightfall. He has to go to dinner when Abaddon is half-dead. I'm preoccupied so I just wait until he comes back an hour later and he finishes. I don't pay him. He /report's me and checks the "Leeching" box. |
Speaking strictly about the run (not towards your inability to play) if you would have said he got 1/2 way through and had to go eat, and you said well I just mapped out because I didn't have time to wait for him to eat, then ya that is fine. But to stay, let him finish the run and then refuse to pay is just a big sign that says Might Of The Archer is a pathetic looser. I would be embarrassed to even write the thread you just did but, hey then again look at what you wrote about.
You should go to add/remove programs, click on Guild Wars and hit the un-install button.
Daenara
eh, so much hate for such a silly issue. So the silly OP doesn't pay the silly runner his 2k. So what? I'd prefer Anet support to have other things to do then weed their way through reports about run scamming all day long. If you're a runner, accept the risk that some 13 year old might scam you, and move on if you lose 2k. If you're any good, you should make that back quickly.
Shadowhaze
If they get the job done, I pay.
Though there was this one time I was getting a run somewhere...the runner said they were a pro. So yeah, along the way he's dying right and left and it's taking way longer than a run like that would normally take (I probably could have gotten there myself already. lol. But I didn't feel like doing so at the time.) He got us to one dead outpost and it wasn't even halfway to the destination. Then after zoning and him dying a few more times, he says he has to go and tells everyone to pay. I just left. Then I had to go back to the start and find another runner because dead outpost/lack of people running at the only one he got us to. -_- Major waste of time ftl...
Though there was this one time I was getting a run somewhere...the runner said they were a pro. So yeah, along the way he's dying right and left and it's taking way longer than a run like that would normally take (I probably could have gotten there myself already. lol. But I didn't feel like doing so at the time.) He got us to one dead outpost and it wasn't even halfway to the destination. Then after zoning and him dying a few more times, he says he has to go and tells everyone to pay. I just left. Then I had to go back to the start and find another runner because dead outpost/lack of people running at the only one he got us to. -_- Major waste of time ftl...
Talon one
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I was trying to get a run to Drok's for a set max armor for my Survivor character so I could go back and quest without being paranoid and nervous the entire time.
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its a famous survivor trap and really a waste of a party slot for the runner. he probably ran back as soon as he read the word survivor. but yes, that he tried to kill you was just childish
Fril Estelin
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I would be embarrassed to even write the thread you just did but, hey then again look at what you wrote about.
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And then there's the "Any thoughts?" at the end, it's almost calling for flames...
I won't pay him for this run into stupidity (I don't use runs), which will soon end up into oblivion. But to quote the pseudo-brilliance of this guy:
the HUMAN is expected to know better
/end of public report
The Meth
In each of those situations I would not have paid. I would not pay a cab driver who had to take an hour off to go to the store during my trip, and I would not pay one that only took me 90% of the way. If someone is running they should realize their payment is dependent upon them providing an efficient service, within reason. If I was running you in either instances I would not expect to get paid at all.
OTOH, people who get runs are lazy noobs. I have no respect for lazy noobs. Just throwing that out there.
OTOH, people who get runs are lazy noobs. I have no respect for lazy noobs. Just throwing that out there.
Stolen Souls
Waiting an hour for a runner to return is just idiotic, lol. You could have left and gotten another run. That part is your fault. From what I can see, you waited that long JUST so you can get a free run out of it...which is pretty rediculous.
If the runner says something like "100% guaranteed", or "under 30 minutes or it's free", it's one thing. Then if they die repeatedly or take longer than they said they would, they failed THEIR end. Otherwise, if they finish what they said they would finish (holding your hand through a certain area or mission), it is your obligation to pay. They got you through something that you are too lazy to get through yourself. On top of that, if you wait until the runner is completely finished the run to say "I'm not paying", it fits you into the scammer category. Hopefully you say you aren't paying before you let him actually finish...
...or you could just learn how to beat an easy mission yourself, lol.
If the runner says something like "100% guaranteed", or "under 30 minutes or it's free", it's one thing. Then if they die repeatedly or take longer than they said they would, they failed THEIR end. Otherwise, if they finish what they said they would finish (holding your hand through a certain area or mission), it is your obligation to pay. They got you through something that you are too lazy to get through yourself. On top of that, if you wait until the runner is completely finished the run to say "I'm not paying", it fits you into the scammer category. Hopefully you say you aren't paying before you let him actually finish...
...or you could just learn how to beat an easy mission yourself, lol.
Lest121
Never had a problem with runners.
To the OP You are dumb for waiting, if a runner tells me to wait and 5 mins later and hes not back I am GONE
To the OP You are dumb for waiting, if a runner tells me to wait and 5 mins later and hes not back I am GONE
Sir Owns Alot EP
I think the real question is why would you need to be run through the last mission of Nightfall? Its one of the easiest in the game!
ScaryDrifter
I am in customer service/sales IRL, and I have come across many people like the OP in my day. He will go to great lengths and think of any way he can to justify skipping out on a payment.
I wonder - if a runner goes beyond his expectations, does he tip? Experience says the response is no, the runner did what he said he would and isn't owed anything more.
This is the kind of guy I would group with. Once.
I wonder - if a runner goes beyond his expectations, does he tip? Experience says the response is no, the runner did what he said he would and isn't owed anything more.
This is the kind of guy I would group with. Once.
glacialphoenix
What I don't get is why you stayed for the entire hour. You could have found another runner, in which case you wouldn't have had to pay for what you considered a 'bad run' since, y'know, you'd have cancelled it. But you did stay for the entire hour, which implies that you didn't mind, because chances are anyone who minds would already have left (and the runner has to be prepared for that, of course).
Then you refused to pay him after he came back and finished the run - which means that he did render his services after all, and you are the one who is refusing to pay for services rendered.
I mean, if you left before the run was complete and he continued to pester you, I can see a case for you... but you're just making yourself look bad with this post.
Then you refused to pay him after he came back and finished the run - which means that he did render his services after all, and you are the one who is refusing to pay for services rendered.
I mean, if you left before the run was complete and he continued to pester you, I can see a case for you... but you're just making yourself look bad with this post.
Ate of DK
Don't use runners.
If you don't pay it's obvious that you get reported and your own fault.
I never use runners.
If you don't pay it's obvious that you get reported and your own fault.
I never use runners.
Abedeus
Well, now you can just go with R/Mo Unyielding Aura hero and go anywhere you want, even some heroes.
Shursh
i wouldn't report you only because it wouldn't make a difference. i would, however, think that you were a lazy cheap person for not paying a runner who did his job.
it's like being stiffed at a restaurant - when i used to wait tables, i would refuse service to people i knew don't tip/pay their bill. unfortunately, there are just too many people in-game to remember who the leechers are.
it's like being stiffed at a restaurant - when i used to wait tables, i would refuse service to people i knew don't tip/pay their bill. unfortunately, there are just too many people in-game to remember who the leechers are.
Numa Pompilius
Pay for services rendered or be a scammer. What's hard about that concept?
I don't use runners, but to me it sounds like you're just looking for excuses not to pay. "Hey, you've got ugly pants - no money for you!"
If you don't like your runner, gtfo but DON'T wait until the run is over. Scammer.
I don't use runners, but to me it sounds like you're just looking for excuses not to pay. "Hey, you've got ugly pants - no money for you!"
If you don't like your runner, gtfo but DON'T wait until the run is over. Scammer.
SOF
If a runner does what they have said they will do, even if it takes an age. Then pay. Common courtesy... Runner hasn't said how well they will do it, as long as what they have said they can do, is done. Then what's the problem?
Elder III
if you agree to pay something and they complete it on the first try then you have no excuse to pay not pay.
If at some point you have a severe dislike for them or the style of running they are using, then you are responsible to shut up and ride it out or leave. Once again, if they succeed the first time you literally owe them to pay, as the original deal said.
If I am in a group and they take 2-3 times to accomplish it because of disconnects or other idiots in the group, then I will still pay them, but I'm just a nice guy who understands what it is like on both sides of that 8-ball.
If at some point you have a severe dislike for them or the style of running they are using, then you are responsible to shut up and ride it out or leave. Once again, if they succeed the first time you literally owe them to pay, as the original deal said.
If I am in a group and they take 2-3 times to accomplish it because of disconnects or other idiots in the group, then I will still pay them, but I'm just a nice guy who understands what it is like on both sides of that 8-ball.
AncientLord
What a ego, sadisctic people are here ..... Oh you are all perfect i see... If runner makes a mistake, he make it. Try to run instead of him, will you be beter ? I doubt, i even asume youl make more mistakes.
Try this:
Go play l2, try such ego things there. I garantie you 99% That people will delevel you to lvl 1.
Such people who like to be top ego and try to avoid paying, shoud be perma banned.
It's true, sometimes runner are way to dumb, but this you can see when enter. Not in the half way done.
"Nobody is perfect"
Try this:
Go play l2, try such ego things there. I garantie you 99% That people will delevel you to lvl 1.
Such people who like to be top ego and try to avoid paying, shoud be perma banned.
It's true, sometimes runner are way to dumb, but this you can see when enter. Not in the half way done.
"Nobody is perfect"
januscht
all of your excuses to scamm the runner are lame and make me sick, you have proved how dishonest you are, since when is "cool" (i think some of you feel like that reading your commentaries) to steal from people only because you dont like them, i bet you are not much different irl.
thieves, and feel proud of it? lol?
thieves, and feel proud of it? lol?
Zebideedee
Maybe there should be % off run prices for each failure, like DP 
I remember when I just started I heard everyone talking about being run to Drok's for max armour and I just assumed that the only way to get there was by running, so I paid a "PRO Running to Droks 1.5k"
He failed 5 times!
I remember when I just started I heard everyone talking about being run to Drok's for max armour and I just assumed that the only way to get there was by running, so I paid a "PRO Running to Droks 1.5k"
He failed 5 times!
Cale Roughstar
I always pay my runners the price agreed upon. If some kid comes to mow your lawn and does a bad job, you still pay him for it. They are providing a service for you to be lazy as hell, so you might as well pay them. No point in being a lazy and cheap bastard at the same time is there?
Even if they are running for tips, I always make sure to pay them some token amount (i.e. 500g). They can die a lot, cuss when they die and need a res, but they are still doing something for me that I dont want to do myself. Therefore I owe them some money.
Even if they are running for tips, I always make sure to pay them some token amount (i.e. 500g). They can die a lot, cuss when they die and need a res, but they are still doing something for me that I dont want to do myself. Therefore I owe them some money.
Ctb
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As an individual who was once an 18-25 year old male who was friends with many other 18-25 year old males, I feel I can categorically say that 18-25 year old males are, mostly, childish idiots. The only thing that prevented most of us from being arrested or killed during this developmental period was the presence of law enforcement and the threat of effective social ostracization, neither of which exists on the intertubes, hence things like this thread, the OP, Theus, etc.
Dumb, selfish, and immature people abound in online gaming (well... "online" in general, really). It was ever thus, it ever will be. Get over it and get used to efficiently managing your ignore lists.
Lycan Nibbler
What made me kind of laugh was that you were so bad at the game that you had to wait an hour for a runner to finish the game rather than you being able to do it yourself.
I have no doubts you ran around afterwards shouting "I've beaten the game" too.....
/facepalm
I have no doubts you ran around afterwards shouting "I've beaten the game" too.....
/facepalm
Chaos_Earth
Along the lines of people comparing runs to service at a restaurant:
If the service and food are bad (at most places) and you raise your concerns about it, you can get a free meal. From the restaurant's stand, you could become a repeat customer and give good or bad reviews to your friends. The quality of your experience is their main concern. From the consumer's stand, one should be able to expect a certain level of professionalism and quality if one is paying for a meal.
Likewise, runner who are still not comfortable in their runs should only ask for tips. I think that if you're paying for somebody for a run (and they accept your money rather than doing it out of the goodness of their heart), then they should have their sh!t together enough to do it w/o a major mishap. But that's just me.
I support the message of the topic poster but... reporting does work. I've done it. I've seen people banned. Normally, it helps if you get an entire party to do it but you never know.
If the service and food are bad (at most places) and you raise your concerns about it, you can get a free meal. From the restaurant's stand, you could become a repeat customer and give good or bad reviews to your friends. The quality of your experience is their main concern. From the consumer's stand, one should be able to expect a certain level of professionalism and quality if one is paying for a meal.
Likewise, runner who are still not comfortable in their runs should only ask for tips. I think that if you're paying for somebody for a run (and they accept your money rather than doing it out of the goodness of their heart), then they should have their sh!t together enough to do it w/o a major mishap. But that's just me.
I support the message of the topic poster but... reporting does work. I've done it. I've seen people banned. Normally, it helps if you get an entire party to do it but you never know.
Commander Ryker
Everything that can be said has been said, at least twice or more.
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