Kormir.

Hara Makoto

Hara Makoto

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

London, UK

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

I have grown tired of being in a mission with Kormir, and while your putting in lots of hard work, our glorious spearmarshal stands around holding a spear, and seems incapable of actually using it. Now i understand Kormir was blinded, however, she still is able to use shouts and follow you around, so WHY OH WHY can't Kormir actually do something useful.

Is it only me who feels like this? I dont know, but others I've spoken to in game also have a growing hatred for Kormir. And, was Kormir only really designed to stand around following you holding a spear doing nothing towards the latter parts of the Nightfall, where you could actually do with a little more support, I dont know. But, Prince Rurik, Master Togo, Brother Mhenlo, Gadd and so many more people were capable of helping out.

That's just my opinion, anyway :P

Artisan Archer

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

Because, ANet didn't want to punish us with another Prince Leeroy character?

Cargan

Cargan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Scotland

[ESP]

W/

Simple... it's because at the start of the game there are NPC's to show you how to do the basics like use skills and synergy and whatnot. Later in the game they needed an NPC to show people how to do other things, like leech.

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

Actually, I found her the most irritating during Jokanur Diggings. 'Why is the Ghostly Sunspear's health going down - OMG WTF IS KORMIR DOING'.

I'd much rather have her inactive than Leeroying, especially in situations where you have to keep her alive.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

Yeah, I prefer not losing the game do to a random NPC dieing, as opposed to having a useless 7th party member.

Free Runner

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hara Makoto
But, Prince Rurik, Master Togo, Brother Mhenlo, Gadd and so many more people were capable of helping out.
No they were capable of helping you fail the mission by running into Mobs and dying horribly. I'm pretty thankful you dont have to babysit Kormir.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hara Makoto
But, Prince Rurik, Master Togo, Brother Mhenlo, Gadd and so many more people were capable of helping out.
Gadd? Are you serious? Gadd is almost as bad as Rurik. Anything that spams [[Iron Mist] on enemies needs to die a horrible and painful death.

Oh yeah....that's convenient.

I don't like NPC's running off into battles and causing problems for my team. I like my own pace. *coughrurikcough*

Hara Makoto

Hara Makoto

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

London, UK

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

R/

Yes, It is good that Kormir doesnt have to die all the time, but she could do something like shouts, or attacks . Besides, they shouldn't really die, If your heroes actually heal them, and in GW:EN if they die, you can still continue the mission and they get ressed, which imo should have happened in the other campaigns as well .

JupiterStarWarrior

JupiterStarWarrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2008

Oklahoma City

Noble Order Of Valiant Angels

Me/

*gasps* KORMIR IS BLINDEDEDEDED?! NO WAI!!!

/sarcasm


Anywho, yeah, I like not having to babysit Kormir like I have to baby sit Leroy Rurik. o_O;

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hara Makoto
Yes, It is good that Kormir doesnt have to die all the time, but she could do something like shouts, or attacks .
Shouts would be OK. Attacks wouldn't. The NPCs like Rurik and Jalis (who are both melee characters) act like they're on aggressive, and they keep attacking, even when they're not equipped to (read: Jalis vs the Mursaat in THK HM).

Which is, uh, kind of what happened to me in Jokanur - she attacked Random Little Red Dot On The Radar, which turned out to be a Ghostly Sunspear. As far as I'm concerned, her attacks are a bigger problem than her standing still >.>

Big_Daddy

Big_Daddy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Big Daddy Experience [BigD]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cargan
Simple... it's because at the start of the game there are NPC's to show you how to do the basics like use skills and synergy and whatnot. Later in the game they needed an NPC to show people how to do other things, like leech.
I literally ROFLed.

Back on Topic: Yes, I agree, and what is worse, we are the ones that have to break our asses killing a god and SHE GETS TO BECOME A GOD??!!! O.o WTF?
Where is the Justice?

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

It makes sense that Kormir would cease fighting when she becomes blinded.

For anyone who has played through the Ascalon missions in Prophecies, they should understand the Rurik dilemma. Rurik likes to aggro everything in sight and occasionally ends up dying towards the end of the mission. Similarly in Jokanur Diggings as has been mentioned, Kormir is uncontrollable in a situation where she can easily wreck the bonus. I would personally rather her stay out of combat starting in (or perhaps after) Chahbek because her level 20 awesomeness breeds laziness in players and doesn't encourage good tactics. If the goal is to have Kormir assisting the party, perhaps give her a couple ally affecting shouts (currently she has solely [incoming] which only affects her) and changed to not attack.

Some good candidates for her buffs: [never give up] [never surrender] [aria of zeal] [aria of restoration] [zealous anthem]
So essentially some generic martial/caster buffs (although only give 1 or 2)

Gill Halendt

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Kormir acts like a doorstop in Abaddon's Gate. Literally. I get stuck in her a lot while she idles here and there.

She would make a great tank. Oh well...

Cyb3r

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AFO

E/

lol if those npc's actually had a usefull skillbar instead of annoying the heck out of you (Gadd => he needs to die) or any other leroy npc you have to babysit during a mission to actually finish it, no thnx.

Idiot togo and Idiot mhenlo allready annoyed the crap out of me in factions i don't need another leroy idiot running around aggroing every possible mob in a mission

Ate of DK

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

One character more or less doing nothing really doesn't matter when the game is soooooo easy.


PuG screams: OMG don't ball with them fire impz! NoobZ!

So my point is. I rather not have Kormir f*ck up my bonus because I really don't need some NPC's help to finish anything.

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

It would be nice if komir atleast used shouts..
But I rather enemies do not attack her.

Shadowhaze

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

She is annoying. If she goes after the Sunspear Ghosts, she's annoying. When she stands around and does absolutely nothing, she's annoying.

And I agree, I'd rather not have to worry about her dying and the mission or whatever failing. It would be nice if she could shout, but like said, I really would rather not have to keep an eye on her for fear of death.

Nessar

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

She's annoying no matter what she does. Aggroing stuff, saying long speeches, standing there leeching...

I'd rather have her leech though tbh << Shouts would be verrry nice, but meh

sixofone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by glacialphoenix
Actually, I found her the most irritating during Jokanur Diggings. 'Why is the Ghostly Sunspear's health going down - OMG WTF IS KORMIR DOING'.
OMG - that is so true!

"Thanks, ANet, for creating a NPC who actually causes you to fail the mission!" (I know, Leeroy Rurick wasn't much better.)

So, yeah - there are plenty of times where I wish you could just let Kormir get killed or leave her altogether. I mean, in Jokanur, she's the highest level of any of us, and she's the one we have to keep alive? Thankfully, it's not that hard - just annoying.

KoKoS

KoKoS

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

aBove Empress Amarox xP

KDT

Mo/E

haha! I simply h8 kormir! she's so noob that if she could help she'd make you unable to ever try to play NF =0

attachment= Best m0ment of teh game: (i hoped she'd never come back =/ too bad she came)

MrSlayer

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hara Makoto
Now i understand Kormir was blinded, however..
OMG SPOILARZ!

But yeah...she's pretty useless. Love her quote in the Realm of Suck.

"Good to see you again XXX" says the blind woman to the party members.

Uhh?

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

if she can't die then thats one less irriation meaning you don't have to restart tough missions because a leeroy

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

Just for lulz she should run around spamming

[Go For The Eyes!]

THAT will even things out!

uzumaki

uzumaki

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

GW

Me/

imo kormir isnt as bad as argo from factions, he needs to be renamed to AGRO it's like he is constantly set to fight... kormir never seemed that bad to me, only used her a few times and she removes conditions with centaury sig pretty well

ALF71BE

ALF71BE

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway

R/

Kormir sucks.

'nuff said.

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

How could you even say that? Kormir helped so many new players learn the basics and sacrificed her mortality to become a god. You guys are just ungrateful.

No... you all are racists! (damn you laserth that thread had potential)

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSlayer
OMG SPOILARZ!
"Good to see you again XXX" says the blind woman to the party members.

Uhh?
loled.

Kormir,
all those times of bodyblocking my fat ele in the last mission. She truly is a god. I even like Magrid's sister more. Dunkoro can also go stuff himself in the river of angst for making me have to take him on missions numerous times to waste a good hero slot. *sigh* At least Koss is still cool.

KoKoS

KoKoS

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

aBove Empress Amarox xP

KDT

Mo/E

i mean "What the H3LL?! O.o" I kill abaddon and SHE gets to become a Godes? she's the one who caused all the evil, i get to stop all the evil that she started and she gets to become a godess?! that is SO unfair! >.>

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessar
She's annoying no matter what she does. Aggroing stuff, saying long speeches, standing there leeching...
and becoming a god because she leeched off us. And a terrible one, too, Elona goes to Hell like 50 years from the GW present...

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
and becoming a god because she leeched off us. And a terrible one, too, Elona goes to Hell like 50 years from the GW present...
Well that's kinda our bad, honestly...

Laughing Bat

Laughing Bat

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Texas

[HoNk]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowhaze
She is annoying. If she goes after the Sunspear Ghosts, she's annoying. When she stands around and does absolutely nothing, she's annoying.

And I agree, I'd rather not have to worry about her dying and the mission or whatever failing. It would be nice if she could shout, but like said, I really would rather not have to keep an eye on her for fear of death.
lol pretty much sums it up.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

It's a far cry from "Everything Kormir loves will be safe everafter" or whatever the line is from after her ascension.

Clearly, she doesn't love Elona or the Sunspear order she was the leader of... so what DOES she care about?

Considering how ineffectual the gods have been at protecting their worshippers since Nightfall, I wonder if the reason they chose Kormir was because she was crippled and not really useful any more on the mortal plane. Even with EOTN as the last semimajor Guild Wars 1 storyline, the world still needed us as heroes more than it needed a blind ex-Spearmarshal.

If this sounds unfair, remember the line "Never be indispensable - then you'll never be promoted".

And it could be that the same things that lead her to cause the problem in the first place actually meant that she was the most attuned to Abaddon's power, and thus the most able to absorb it.

gerlin

gerlin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/

I don't know what you're all complaining about, i never had any trouble with Kormir and like hell if i care she buffs me. As for blowing the bonus in diggings, she never did that, i only failed the bonus once and that was because i didn't know what to do. It's true she quite the hogger(god-hog), but i would have a million times rather a useless body-block then a *shivers at all the mission failed's* rurik jenkins. Don't start about a togo or mhenlo, or even a certain dwarf king who likes to go solo sometimes.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
and becoming a god because she leeched off us. And a terrible one, too, Elona goes to Hell like 50 years from the GW present...
She gets god-hood...we get to stay behind on the mortal plane with NORGU
*shivers*

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

I prefer non-performing Kormir to non-performing Rurik. If you are melee, Rurik runs in and fights; if you are a caster, he won't do anything until you bodily drag him (and yourself) into melee range of the mob.

I was GLAD he died crossing the Shiverpeaks. I was GLAD I got to kill him personally in Hell's Precipice.

Kormir was as much problem as a piece of furniture. If you don't expect anything, no disappointment when nothing happens. BUT, why do you have to talk to her to go to the DoA. I do remember resenting that the first time.

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cargan
Simple... it's because at the start of the game there are NPC's to show you how to do the basics like use skills and synergy and whatnot. Later in the game they needed an NPC to show people how to do other things, like leech.
/threadwin

on a more serious note..who knows. it bugged me too.

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

The real reason: Kormir is a reflection of ArenaNet.

Just there for appearance. Doesn't really do anything. Gets in the way of all the fun stuff, this ruining it. Won't listen to the players. Pretty much useless and annoying.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by glacialphoenix
Actually, I found her the most irritating during Jokanur Diggings. 'Why is the Ghostly Sunspear's health going down - OMG WTF IS KORMIR DOING'.

I'd much rather have her inactive than Leeroying, especially in situations where you have to keep her alive.
Perfect example how little ANet cares for lore. The other one are the Norn. One Norn is supposed to be able to beat one warband. I really want to know how that works.

Using shouts and chants > inactive > storming off

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Well that's kinda our bad, honestly...
Because as a God Kormir can not do anything against Palablabla..

mastermaxx1

mastermaxx1

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Daddy
I literally ROFLed.

Back on Topic: Yes, I agree, and what is worse, we are the ones that have to break our asses killing a god and SHE GETS TO BECOME A GOD??!!! O.o WTF?
Where is the Justice?
lol, i laughed at that too, but...

Why is she the one that becomes a god if she stands around blind, doing nothing? It's not fair

BTW, Big Daddy, I'm digging ur avatar, Rorschach is awesome (but that's off topic)