I've been playing around with sins a lot lately, and I was trying to come up with a somewhat viable Spear-using assassin build. This is what I came up with so far:
[build=OwliMylMxg9gBkRkdmtIq/IAAA]
Critstrikes 12+1+1.
Anyone got any improvements/suggestions? I was playing around with [vicious attack] but I found that [spear of lightning] pumps out more damage and you already have [cruel spear] for Deep Wound. The build usually hits around a 50, and can hit around 90 with [cruel spear] on a crit. Also, in AB I switch the [resurrection signet] to [dash].
Anyone got anything for me? I know that overall the concept is inferior to, say, critscythe, but the fact that it's ranged and it's fun is why I like it.
Spearsin?
Taisayacho
Shayne Hawke
Looks fun. I sorta wish the variant with [[Way of the Assassin] was still viable.
Personally, for PvE, I might try to swap out [[Cruel Spear] and [[Spear of Lightning] with [[Stunning Strike] and [[Vicious Attack]. It might also be a good idea then to swap out Assassin's Remedy or the Res for [[Critical Defenses] or [[Critical Agility].
Personally, for PvE, I might try to swap out [[Cruel Spear] and [[Spear of Lightning] with [[Stunning Strike] and [[Vicious Attack]. It might also be a good idea then to swap out Assassin's Remedy or the Res for [[Critical Defenses] or [[Critical Agility].
Squishy ftw
If you want a fun A/P build for ra/ab you should try [dark apostasy] once. The energy loss is negated thanks to crit strikes and crit eye and it's pretty amusing to strip enchs that easily while keeping a decent dps.
Taisayacho
Hmm looks interesting, I'll have to give it a shot. Energy loss does seem a bit much tho tbh
Tyla
Needs more Vicious Attack. In my opinion, you can also use Wearying Throw for some big domage too.
Taisayacho
So put in Vicious Attack for Spear of Lightning and Wearying Spear for Barbed Spear? Only thing with that is that I don't have a definite condition for the interrupt. Should I scrap the interrupt?
Lastly, I'm surprised this actually is half viable lol
Lastly, I'm surprised this actually is half viable lol
Tyla
Disrupting Throw is quite a sub-par interrupt. At full range you can only reflex 2 second casts. Barbed is only good for fueling certain things: D/P Blindbot for spammability, R/P condition pressure, powering Maiming Spear, powering Stunning Strike.
snaek
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Originally Posted by Taisayacho
So put in Vicious Attack for Spear of Lightning and Wearying Spear for Barbed Spear? Only thing with that is that I don't have a definite condition for the interrupt. Should I scrap the interrupt?
Lastly, I'm surprised this actually is half viable lol
deep wound....followed by 1/2s attack skill for spike dmg?
and spear sins r not as strange as spear eles
their quite popular actually...(and sadly)
[swift javelin] is also a fairly popular critspear sin skill
i wouldnt recommend [cruel spear] or [stunning strike] on a sin
u already have dw on [vicious attack]
and [stunning strike] is pretty fail without an ias
(but fairly decent with one....which is why u see it on [flail] w/p's)
Lastly, I'm surprised this actually is half viable lol
deep wound....followed by 1/2s attack skill for spike dmg?
and spear sins r not as strange as spear eles
their quite popular actually...(and sadly)
[swift javelin] is also a fairly popular critspear sin skill
i wouldnt recommend [cruel spear] or [stunning strike] on a sin
u already have dw on [vicious attack]
and [stunning strike] is pretty fail without an ias
(but fairly decent with one....which is why u see it on [flail] w/p's)
Rhamia Darigaz
spear sins without [vicious attack] make me sad
Lishy
[Assassin's Remedy] combined with [Wearying Spear] makes a really great high dps hit. Very useful for an adrenaline chain-spike due to its low adrenaline cost.
Faure
Does Remedy remove the condition at the same attack (as in condition gets applied, Remedy registers a hit and removes a condition) or the next one?
Tyla
Let's just say you use Wearying Spear.
With Remedy up, if you use Wearying Spear, the weakness won't be negated. If you follow up with something, the condition will be gone before the attack actually hits.
That's why it's such a powerful skill for combatting anti-melee conditions.
With Remedy up, if you use Wearying Spear, the weakness won't be negated. If you follow up with something, the condition will be gone before the attack actually hits.
That's why it's such a powerful skill for combatting anti-melee conditions.
Taisayacho
I've been discussing this to great length on PvX, and we've come up with a sort of new idea to bring in an IAS:
[build=OwliMylMBhFkRv1udmtIq/MBBA]
See the build's talk page: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build_talk:A/P_Spear_Sin
it works pretty well.
[build=OwliMylMBhFkRv1udmtIq/MBBA]
See the build's talk page: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build_talk:A/P_Spear_Sin
it works pretty well.
Bobby2
I'm not against [Soldier's Fury] per se though [Can't touch this] is just really, really bad.
Choosing this over [Dark Apostasy] - [Swift Javelin]?
If you're really set on straight spike damage... pick up another weapon
Choosing this over [Dark Apostasy] - [Swift Javelin]?
If you're really set on straight spike damage... pick up another weapon
Taisayacho
[can't touch this] is purely to keep the IAS up. If you've got a better option (as in, easily cheaply maintainable), I'd be happy to use it.
A dark apostasy spear sin was tried out on PvX in the past but unfavored.
A dark apostasy spear sin was tried out on PvX in the past but unfavored.
Turbobusa
TBH, don't consider PvX advices too much.
DA+swift javelin is nice indeed, stripping enchants constantly will give better pressure than wearying +vicious.
That said, I see a problem with those 2.
Usually when you go spiking, you land the deep wound skill first and big damage after. But you can't, since you'll be weakened afterwards.
If you want pressure, there is no reason not to play a real para, which can keep a permanent IAS with no big downside, and bring utility.
DA+swift javelin is nice indeed, stripping enchants constantly will give better pressure than wearying +vicious.
That said, I see a problem with those 2.
Usually when you go spiking, you land the deep wound skill first and big damage after. But you can't, since you'll be weakened afterwards.
If you want pressure, there is no reason not to play a real para, which can keep a permanent IAS with no big downside, and bring utility.
Taisayacho
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Originally Posted by Turbobusa
That said, I see a problem with those 2.
Usually when you go spiking, you land the deep wound skill first and big damage after. But you can't, since you'll be weakened afterwards. Assassin's remedy.
Usually when you go spiking, you land the deep wound skill first and big damage after. But you can't, since you'll be weakened afterwards. Assassin's remedy.
snaek
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Originally Posted by Taisayacho
Assassin's remedy.
...needs an attack skill to trigger condition removal
so turbobusa is correct
so turbobusa is correct
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by snaek
...needs an attack skill to trigger condition removal
so turbobusa is correct Assassins Remedy takes conditions off before the attack skill hits. There for big damage is easily obtained.
so turbobusa is correct Assassins Remedy takes conditions off before the attack skill hits. There for big damage is easily obtained.
Turbobusa
Vicious attack -> wearying strike -> Assassin's remedy triggers and removes some condition you had before -> You are weakened
Tested and verified.
Tested and verified.
Luminarus
If you follow wearying with an attack skill (eg harriers for cast time), the weakness if gone before the spear hits meaning u dont get the downside. However, if you DONT use a skill the weakness sticks.
Lishy
So weakness applies after remedy? Aw man.. Any workarounds?
My Lipgloss is Cool
Use another attack skill after.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Turbobusa
Vicious attack -> wearying strike -> Assassin's remedy triggers and removes some condition you had before -> You are weakened
Tested and verified. Gogogo Harriers Attack or Spear of Lightning.
The weakness is removed before the spear hits so big damage is possible.
Tested and verified. Gogogo Harriers Attack or Spear of Lightning.
The weakness is removed before the spear hits so big damage is possible.
Turbobusa
Which is my point but his build do not have one.