Guide to DoA Heroway...

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

It's been almost a year since I've updated this and there's been a few recent skill updates. I kinda got back into DoA recently so there's only a few minor changes for now.

Though at first I wanted some builds that can be done without celerities, they're becoming much more common and since we've also been having a few more people join us on runs, they also make things go way faster. It's definitely possible without, but takes much more patience.

If you're interested in helping to test some stuff and can run specific builds, let me know (a war/paragon/nec/rit would be helpful in particular). Though I only have a small amount of player builds posted so far, alot more variety is possible. I'll post a few more that we've used in abit. Again, assuming you're using cons, you can get good use from every profession.


To make everything easier to edit, I'm just gonna link to the builds on wiki but leave the rest here:



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Scythe War: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query
- This is where the majority of the damage comes from. With Aura of Holy Might + Asuran Scan (and decent ranks), you should be hitting for +100-350.

- "Save Yourselves" makes a good replacement for Asuran Scan if more defense is needed. 2-3 "SY" scythes could probably replace the "SY" Paragon completely, but haven't tested that yet.

- Stonefist insignia increases KD when GDW is on you so use it.

- Use Flail over Power Attack if you have no IAS buffs.


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EC Nec:http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query
- Use a 33% daze mod with this. Just do it. If you don't have one then buy one. It helps tons. Use Extend Conditions to keep mobs dazed. It'll stop tons of hexes and other random stuff. Keep GDW on the phys as much as you can but dazing still takes higher priority.



Code: "SY" Paragon:http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query
- Keeps up "SY" much better than the wars can, and is also less likely to be targeted by anti-phys stuff.

- This bar is pretty flexible. The main skill really is just "SY". Since "GFTE" had it's recharge removed, you should be getting tons more energy now. Assuming your team isn't relying too heavily on the para's "SY", you can even put GDW on it, assuming the EC caster doesn't have it. Asuran Scan and the Ebon Ward of Honor are great ways to increase the damage.

- Use Aggressive Refrain if you have no IAS buffs.












== Heroes ==



Code: Discord x3: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query If you have the room for them, this 3man Discord team works pretty well on it's own. You might wanna add/remove hexes/conditions/res skills depending on what your team is running.



Code: Healers: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query The healers definitely might be changed soon. I might toss out the Extend Conditions guy to make room for a N/Rt healer using Recovery, along with putting Purifying Veil on the prot nec - this should almost completely get rid of the blind probs in Foundry, especially if you're using a Clarity rune. Another possibily is putting hex removal on the Discord necs and removing some from the monk/prot nec so they can do a better job at keeping the team up, rather than focusing on hex removal in areas like Gloom/City.







Cons + an EC nec:







==== MALLYX THE UNYIELDING ====

(The builds below were what using almost a year ago so they could use some changing. Since they actually worked though, I'll post them anyways)


For Mallyx, you're gonna wanna change some builds up abit:

Code:
"SY" Dslasher:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...o=Submit+Query
You actually can run a scythe if you want, but remember to keep Aura of Holy Might down. Also keep in mind that a Dslash can keep "SY" up much better.



syphonus

syphonus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

The Dirtiest Parts Of My Mind

Phlying Skwirls[PS]

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Thanks Cathode.. gonna have to try this. Maybe we'll see people back in DoA..

payne

payne

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Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by syphonus
Thanks Cathode.. gonna have to try this.
Same


Quote:
Originally Posted by syphonus
Maybe we'll see people back in DoA.. lol....your optermistic ^^ ......


but nice guide - can't see it repopulating DoA somehow xD

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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Only way you'll see people in doa is if they don't have a friend's list/ guild members to run the other human builds. But it seems nice, just wish I had an extra person to play the w/d or damage dealer to get doa done for monument.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Only way you'll see people in doa is if they don't have a friend's list/ guild members to run the other human builds. But it seems nice, just wish I had an extra person to play the w/d or damage dealer to get doa done for monument. Our guild takes a random person on a few occasions as long as they can run a certain build. We're more than happy to take anyone that's at least half decent. We might be doing another run today so just msg me ingame anytime.

I heroway with pug's on a rare occasion. It's an alright way to find reliable people that do DoA often.

So far the most players we've used is 4, but a team of 3 with the right setup should make most of it somewhat easy. The 2 main trouble spots are Gloom's Cave and the 3rd room in the Foundry where you're forced to bunch up in the corner.

Right now I wanna test a primary Rit just for a 14 spec Splinter Wep - the difference between 10 and 14 on Splinter is about 300 dmg (which is huge), if you include all the damage it can possibly do. I'm lookin for better damage heroes to use besides Discord/phys classes. Discord is good, but the double req on it can be annoying when you're fighting huge groups. AP casters solve that problem a little.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

DPS is not a good idea for DoA since a party wipe means failure. I would go for a wells build rather than a minion build against foundry.

Nainoa

Nainoa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

USA

ARMY

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It's amazing people even thinking of doing DoA would need this info spoon-fed to them in the first place. Your information is appreciated. The concepts here and in all but the most unusual pvp builds are extremely logical. People should be able to piece things like this together themselves.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

By the way, there is another "DoA Heroway" build that was posted in guru and now in pvxwiki so when I first saw the title, I thought you were making a guide on how to use THAT build.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Doa_Heroway

XkristoferX

XkristoferX

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Nashville, TN

Order of the Crimson Phoenix

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with the update to Soldier's Fury, won't that be better then Focus Anger?

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Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by XkristoferX
with the update to Soldier's Fury, won't that be better then Focus Anger?

x You gain 8% more attack speed while losing 67% adren gain. Not really worth it. The only thing I like about Solider's Fury is it doesn't force the heroes to try and remove the cracked armor from AR

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

plus you have to maintain a shout on yourself, and there arent any useful shouts that you can keep up while still filling your role.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Added some builds for killing Mallyx.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

By the way the DoA Heroway build has been wiped from pvxwiki. You can post yours in and claim that name right now!

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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For mallyx, I would be assuming that instead of spear of fury you could use the ebon vanguard ward that increases your damage. Or the halves recharge of spells to aid the casters. Seems like the only way to help speed up damaging mallyx without it getting used against you.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
For mallyx, I would be assuming that instead of spear of fury you could use the ebon vanguard ward that increases your damage. Or the halves recharge of spells to aid the casters. Seems like the only way to help speed up damaging mallyx without it getting used against you.
That'd be good idea, somehow forgot about that skill. The only prob I had last time I used it on my Nec when I brought him to Mallyx was all the teleports takin us out of the ward =/ Another para could also easily replace the Warrior and they both could throw GDW on eachother and the rest of the team. "The Power is Yours" is great for e-management now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
By the way the DoA Heroway build has been wiped from pvxwiki. You can post yours in and claim that name right now! That'd just be cold I'm actually probably gonna put the Mallyx builds up on Wiki at least.

DarkSpirit

DarkSpirit

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
That'd just be cold I'm actually probably gonna put the Mallyx builds up on Wiki at least. I was kidding but yeah, you should put it up on the wiki.

NecroticChanter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Toronto

Real Eyes Realize Real Lies[Tree]

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Why do u use rits for the mallyx encounter? instead say the N/Rt healers...who i thought were more energy efficient.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

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Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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I have never done mallyx, but I would assume that the big purple monkey= alone or their aren't many other enemies around to constantly kill for soulreaping energy. Thus the effectiveness of soulreaping would be lowered by a lot in comparison to a rit.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroticChanter
Why do u use rits for the mallyx encounter? instead say the N/Rt healers...who i thought were more energy efficient. They are when stuff is dying =p They're good untill you get to Mallyx. They won't be getting any energy from SR untill he spawns the first group in his room, and by that time a Nec might be running low. Another thing is Rits can use Power Return....they'll use it to interrupt the skill that Mallyx uses to summon more spirits. It's also good when you're getting upto him since it'll stop things like Soothing Images/Eruption if you're quick to target.

Arsalan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

We tried the EC Caster/Melee setup with discord heroes and 2 healers and an Orders (MOXY ). Got killed easily in Gloom. Any tips?

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsalan
We tried the EC Caster/Melee setup with discord heroes and 2 healers and an Orders (MOXY ). Got killed easily in Gloom. Any tips?
You'd have to post all the builds. If you're using lots of phys classes, you might need more hex removal. Assuming you're talkin about the cave, we usually have abit of minions with us at that part. We let the first wave come to us, then start moving up with the minions as they get aggro. It's one of the harder parts of DoA but once you get the right setup you can almost always get it done without a wipe.

Carboplatin

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

did a run with the OP last night.

He knows what he is talking about, we even killed mallyx in his room without a sweat.

arturfel

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

P/W

In DoA Order of Pain is really necessary? Since the only one to take advantage of it is the paragon, others are caster and the scythe do holy damage

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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Originally Posted by arturfel View Post
In DoA Order of Pain is really necessary? Since the only one to take advantage of it is the paragon, others are caster and the scythe do holy damage
Yeah it was pretty wasteful. The only useful thing it was doing was removing hexes. It's been a while since we've done a full run with only two players so I haven't really decided on what build to use for the last slot in a 2-person team. We actually haven't been using an Orders in any of our setups lately so I might just remove all the Orders builds.

arturfel

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

P/W

Smiter maybe???

Anyway, should i remove the Orders necro when using the EC caster?

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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Smiter maybe???

Anyway, should i remove the Orders necro when using the EC caster?
For a heroway team, I try to make sure we always have Splinter Weapon and conditions for Discord. Normally I had Splinter on one of the Discord heroes while making the last hero in a 2-person team bring the conditions. I was thinking of dropping the Restoration points from one of the Discord necs and spec into Curses for conditions. Another Discord could bring Splinter, then the last hero wouldn't have to worry about bringing either of those. Depending on who has what, we often end up switching a few minor skills on the Discord heroes.

An EC caster makes a good replacement for the Orders. It stops hexes with daze and does damage though GDW along with helping out with Discord so the necs don't have to go out of their way to bring conditions. So far, my favorite 3-person team is a Scythe war, Imbagon, EC nec, then 3 Discords, WoH monk, and an N/Mo Divert. That's what we used to get our fastest time.

I've actually been wanting to try an N/Mo with Healer's Boon - it can be kept up at 0 Divine Favor, and you get +220hp heals from Jamei's Gaze/Heal Other. I've only tried it with cons up so I haven't got the chance to see it without. I don't really wanna update any of the builds till Guru gets their crap fixed.

Btw I saw you lookin for a group about an hour ago (noticed your IGN). Was gonna start a team with my friend and ask if you wanted to join, but I ended up joining some random pug instead just for the hell of it.......gettin City done in 1:20 is no fun

The people at [EYE] showed me how to do the door trick, so I might end up adding another different team build for Mallyx along with details on how to do it. If you do it right and fight Mallyx outside his room, the N/Rt with Consume Soul becomes useless and the healing Rits probably won't be needed.

zeth006

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

N/A

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn View Post
For a heroway team, I try to make sure we always have Splinter Weapon and conditions for Discord. Normally I had Splinter on one of the Discord heroes while making the last hero in a 2-person team bring the conditions. I was thinking of dropping the Restoration points from one of the Discord necs and spec into Curses for conditions. Another Discord could bring Splinter, then the last hero wouldn't have to worry about bringing either of those. Depending on who has what, we often end up switching a few minor skills on the Discord heroes.

An EC caster makes a good replacement for the Orders. It stops hexes with daze and does damage though GDW along with helping out with Discord so the necs don't have to go out of their way to bring conditions. So far, my favorite 3-person team is a Scythe war, Imbagon, EC nec, then 3 Discords, WoH monk, and an N/Mo Divert. That's what we used to get our fastest time.

I've actually been wanting to try an N/Mo with Healer's Boon - it can be kept up at 0 Divine Favor, and you get +220hp heals from Jamei's Gaze/Heal Other. I've only tried it with cons up so I haven't got the chance to see it without. I don't really wanna update any of the builds till Guru gets their crap fixed.

Btw I saw you lookin for a group about an hour ago (noticed your IGN). Was gonna start a team with my friend and ask if you wanted to join, but I ended up joining some random pug instead just for the hell of it.......gettin City done in 1:20 is no fun

The people at [EYE] showed me how to do the door trick, so I might end up adding another different team build for Mallyx along with details on how to do it. If you do it right and fight Mallyx outside his room, the N/Rt with Consume Soul becomes useless and the healing Rits probably won't be needed.
What is this "door trick" you speak of? Sorry and yes, I am new to DoA and am interested in making a visit to it later on...

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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What is this "door trick" you speak of? Sorry and yes, I am new to DoA and am interested in making a visit to it later on...
The quest where you actually fight Mallyx involves you defending one of those snake guys from waves of enemies from the other 4 areas. Once you get to the last wave, let one of the Titans live. Once he's the last one alive, have someone stand next to Mallyx's door. As soon as the Titan is dead, have that person rush in really quick and make sure everyone skips the cutscene as fast as they can. If your team was quick, you can run right back outside once you enter the door.

Normally, you're supposed to fight him inside his room with the door shut so you can't run out. His room has 4 spirits with really bad effects along with some occasional spawns. It's just tons easier to pull him outside of his room using the door trick.

toocooltang

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2008

USA

ToA

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These builds are pretty nice and I have been doing it with just two people. Haven't been running the exact builds posted but something pretty close. I might post some of them if they are working.

Seri

Seri

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

[eRs]

W/

Para, ill test out that rit build with u sometime if u want.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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Para, ill test out that rit build with u sometime if u want.
Was gonna do a full run yesterday but got lazy :l Might do one later today maybe if I'm not lazy again. Think Salara still wants to do a full run too. Some other guy that I do DoA runs with might come also.

Seri

Seri

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Join Date: Sep 2008

[eRs]

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn View Post
Was gonna do a full run yesterday but got lazy :l Might do one later today maybe if I'm not lazy again. Think Salara still wants to do a full run too. Some other guy that I do DoA runs with might come also.
lol, mesmer needs a full run too, think ill try that one first, but instead of Signet of lost souls would u try drain enchant ?

godsie

godsie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/

I am very keen on doing doa full runs as well I am able to run the hero builds as well and have experience of DOA for long time. I normally run as elementalist but have necro ritualist dervish warrior and mesmer at DOA as well

if you have a spare slot whisp me ingame or PM me

IGN Godsie the Great

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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Would be interested to try this sometime. Most likely on a weekend. I also have a friend who could be an ec mesmer (obviously not as much energy as necro or splinter weapon from rit but guess a build could be made). I also have an imbagon and we both have maxed lber and high pve ranks.

IGN Mercenary Guardian

godsie

godsie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/

i am usually around at weekends mainly in the evenings UK time zone I can run ec elementalist or scythe warrior/dervish or discord necro

give me a shout if you would like to try this i am very keen and have experience of DOA

IGN Godsie the Great

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Did a full run last night. Haven't done one in about 2 weeks before that. Been losing abit of interest in GW so haven't been doing them as much as I used to =/

Might do another full run soon though....you two can come if you're on whenever we decide to do one.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

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Nice builds... the lady friend and I will have to give these a try with 6 heroes and see what we can do.

If you're still doing these, look me up. I've got a Sin that can run Scythe or Blossom or I've got an Imbagon if we're short one.

IGN: Jin Hwoarang

arturfel

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

P/W

Hey ray, now that wiki get fixed wanna spare any new build for DoA???

See y

Torrent

Torrent

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2008

Celestial Twighlight

E/Mo

Is there an assassin or dervish alternative for mallyx?