Voltaic Spear farming......

Fox Mulder

Fox Mulder

Inde Censors Me

Join Date: Aug 2006

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FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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how masochistic do you have to be to want to PUG Slaver's?

Aera

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

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So basically you want the farm to be nerfed so you can pug slaver's.

Play with guildies etc etc because farming is also making the game more fun for a lot of players.

Valkyria

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Above said,no need to add anything.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Nothing has changed. People used to complain that there were always so much LFG ursan blah blah blah and now theres LFG VS farm. Pugging just doesn't work.

ZeAliX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Norway

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You could just bring heroes and henches.. problem solved.

spun ducky

spun ducky

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

WTB: q8 bows

R/N

Slavers was actually pretty easy with just heroes and hench. The only part that was any challenge at all was Duncan just because they wand him and own themselves. I really see no reason for a nerf at all to the run.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Hi guys, I don't have a guild so I have to pug, and I can't find a pug because everyone is farming. Please nerf the farm so I can find pugs again!

Sums up what you said pretty nicely. /notsigned

plasmasword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox Mulder
Has anyone tried finding a group for anything other than VS farming in Umbral Grotto lately? It's impossible. Two suggestions. 1. Move Thommis to a deeper more difficult area of the dungeon. 2. Make the dungeons easier for heroes w/ 2 humans or even easier w/ 1 human. Farming is ruining the game for a lot of players Anet. Is there any other end game scenerio that is affected by farming? Thanks.
When will noobs learn that Farming is the game (for PvE players at least).

/not signed

TheBuck

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

Farming is for those that dont enjoy redoing the quest/missions over and over. ive been playing since week1 and thats just my view. i love to pug and do missions and quest over, pugging is were the funs at for those of us that have been around a while.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by plasmasword
When will noobs learn that Farming is the game (for PvE players at least).

/not signed
Wrong. Dress up is the game for PvE players, farming just helps people play dress up.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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/signed for making the "farm" more difficult, but for a different reason to the OP.

When Voltaic Spears come down in price to 50k each...20k each...10k each, and every player and his Grandmother has them on heroes you can just imagine what the crying about the drop in price will be like.

When a farm is found for a high-end weapon of course people will farm for it, but it will be such a shame if the price of the spears does plummit, since it'll be yet another high-end weapon which has lost it's "prestige".

Mr HaXx

Mr HaXx

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2008

Holland

The Ragnarok

Mo/

/signed,
same reason as Celestial Beaver.

shogun avatar

shogun avatar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Croatia

Precko Boys [PREX]

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/signed

I'm not high end trader and don't own or like any voltaics, but when a farm like that comes out, it really takes out all joy when such weapon drops for non farmer.

See what happened to elemental sword, colossal scimitars, sephis axes etc...

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

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slavers (in its entirety) is easy enough to complete with the same build used for the farm. try it some time. done it 3 times this week so far. me and a guildie usually get all 3 dungeons up to duncan done in less than an hour.

did "the farm" plenty this week too, and not one voltaic drop. farm all you want, the chances of getting one is still slim to none. so /notsigned. its not like the raptor farm, in which you are guaranteed an elemental sword every day. the "voltaic farm" is hardly a farm at all...

Monk Gsb

Monk Gsb

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

England

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by rohara
slavers (in its entirety) is easy enough to complete with the same build used for the farm. try it some time. done it 3 times this week so far. me and a guildie usually get all 3 dungeons up to duncan done in less than an hour.

did "the farm" plenty this week too, and not one voltaic drop. farm all you want, the chances of getting one is still slim to none. so /notsigned. its not like the raptor farm, in which you are guaranteed an elemental sword every day. the "voltaic farm" is hardly a farm at all...
elemental sword is worth 5k max.
voltaic is worth 100+w/e the current price is.
i know what one i would rather farm.

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monk Gsb
elemental sword is worth 5k max.
voltaic is worth 100+w/e the current price is.
i know what one i would rather farm.
Unless ur extremely lucky, ull probably get 20 elemental swords, before 1 VS.

The thing that makes the VS so useful, is that you get 2 drops, either golds, or 700g+ mats. That means (if u sell unid) 1.4k every 8 minute. Thats about 12k an hr, with the possibility of an 100k+ spike.

the_jos

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox Mulder
Has anyone tried finding a group for anything other than VS farming in Umbral Grotto lately? It's impossible. Two suggestions. 1. Move Thommis to a deeper more difficult area of the dungeon. 2. Make the dungeons easier for heroes w/ 2 humans or even easier w/ 1 human. Farming is ruining the game for a lot of players Anet. Is there any other end game scenerio that is affected by farming? Thanks.
Did you ever try finding an non-speedclear group for UW?
Non cookie-cutter FoW?
Or a team in DoA? Deep? Urgoz?

The only reason there are many players in the outposts is because there is profit, not because they want to team up with you for some stupid full dungeon.

Forgive me my harsh comment, but this has nothing to do with farming.
It has to do with you seeing a lot of people in an outpost and not being able to team up with them because you want to do something else.
Happened in the past over and over again.

You want to know what I think ruined the game?
The players themself combined with titles.
I have seen waves and waves of players all doing the same kind of farms, being UB, SC or VS, whatever is the current FotM.
I recently asked an ex-guildie if his entire alliance was also almost fully in VS farm and he told me I was right.
This weekend I pinged a skillbar in AC to pass a link and the first comment I got was 'noob skillbar'. Well, not exactly FotM but at least I can play something else besides ele nuker, perma or FoC.
And people only saw my bar, not the team I was using for synergy.
Many players think they are good while all they can is run some build.

And titles.....
Well, since one needs 30 max titles and that will cost about 5M gold at least one needs to farm his/her behind off.
So everyone and his/her mother will farm VS while they can since that will help them get more cash for titles or whatever.
Or for the prestige of having the item, but what's the value of an item when everyone can have one....?

JDRyder

JDRyder

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

Great temple of Balthazar

Mo/Me

farming = guild wars.

Vspears have not gone down at all so far, i sold my req 12 for 100k+65 ecto the other day

its like jos said as well, if there was no Vspear farming there it'd be NO1 there, so your still not going to be able to pug the dun anyway. My guild did slavers a lot before the VSF got out, and there was never any 1 there.


My guild does VSF a TON and we only have had 6 drop for us in 200+ runs

Proff

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

Umbral Grotto's been dead since about a month after EotN release. Once the VS farm is nerfed or the prices aren;t worth it any more all the people WILL in fact leave. If ANet can revive Slavers then great, if not they should leave things the way they are and let the prices fall.

Nemesis of God

Nemesis of God

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Finland

Azura Empire [AE]

Mo/E

Why should nerf fone farmin because few silly players buy that spear 100k + 60e. People who buy it and people who sell it are happy.

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pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

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bumble bee

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/not signed

2 simple reasons:

1) I like things being cheap in the game.
2) my guildie/alliances always have left-overs green weapons and they give it to, guess who, their guildies, because they farm a lot and can afford to give them away for free. If any farm area is nerf just no good for me :P

sorry.

JDRyder

JDRyder

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

Great temple of Balthazar

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Proff
Umbral Grotto's been dead since about a month after EotN release. Once the VS farm is nerfed or the prices aren;t worth it any more all the people WILL in fact leave. If ANet can revive Slavers then great, if not they should leave things the way they are and let the prices fall.
if any thing they have gone up. atm any way

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

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please nerf this before the economy of voltaics become the same as the stygian reaver...voltaics have a green modeled after them...and are not easily attainable.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

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/notsigned, just because you cant find a pug isnt a very good reason.

JDRyder

JDRyder

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

Great temple of Balthazar

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames
please nerf this before the economy of voltaics become the same as the stygian reaver...voltaics have a green modeled after them...and are not easily attainable.
how much were Vspears before the farm was known, and how much are they now?

the drop rate sucks so bad it does not matter and they will only go down 5E at most

dilan155

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
/signed for making the "farm" more difficult, but for a different reason to the OP.

When Voltaic Spears come down in price to 50k each...20k each...10k each, and every player and his Grandmother has them on heroes you can just imagine what the crying about the drop in price will be like.

When a farm is found for a high-end weapon of course people will farm for it, but it will be such a shame if the price of the spears does plummit, since it'll be yet another high-end weapon which has lost it's "prestige".
i dont think this will happen before GW 2, the drop rate is soo low that even if you farm all day you may not get one, now things like ectos are much more vulnerable( as shown by perma sin fiasco) to this kind of thing because of the relatively high drop rate. but i do/sign to make it more difficult simply for the fact that this is an exploit and there are not supposed to be any exploits.

Flossie

Flossie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox Mulder
...Farming is ruining the game for a lot of players Anet...
Strange that the huge amount of players who are obviously in Umbral having their game ruined don't form a PUG together to do Slaver's. Or am I missing something?

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

/notsigned

You trying to fight farmers, YOU DON'T WIN! Farmers will adapt, crying threads like this accomplish nothing, and the only people hurt in the end are casually players.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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We all knew perma shadow form was a bad idea. A.net did a poor job nerfing it to counteract the UW run (reducing damage, rather then reducing its duration), but we all knew there were other ways this could be exploited, via runs.
Lesson A.net has now learned:
Listen to your community next time.

Trub

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lykan
/notsigned, just because you cant find a pug isnt a very good reason.
QFT
/not signed
Get a better guild/alliance......or better equip your heroes.

MisterT69

MisterT69

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

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I'd rather just do UW and hope for my chances there. Actually, got a r11 voltaic from end chest like 2 days ago. I wished it was before this whole voltaic farming craze came about though ><. But really, w/e floats ppl's boats I'm okay with. If you feel like doing a run for 6-15 mins over and over and over for the slim chance of a voltaic, gl then

N1ghtstalker

N1ghtstalker

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

i heard it will get nerfed soon
how it will be nerfed
i'm bracing myself for it
and still

9/10 of all drops suck
Dungeons aren't even worth playing em
cuz your drops suck most of the time

Nainoa

Nainoa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

USA

ARMY

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How anyone could possibly enjoy endgame pve in this game is beyond me. You'd either have to be extremely bored, entertained as easily as a toddler, or too cheap to buy a new, better game.

Jensy

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

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/not signed

This isn't even remotely a 'go in, get one' farm like ectos were over the last few months. You need to farm what 100+ times to maybe see *one*?

It is possible to h/h the whole dungeon, so I'm not sure that "but I can't find a pug wah wah!" is good enough justification.

I've still seen people selling Vspears for 100+First born, so it's not like the price is falling to under 100 or something.

Vehemence

Vehemence

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Perth

[LOD]

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Why people just like to complain? If it is nerfed, then other party will complain. Any developer cannot satisfy all their players. Learn to live with it, if not, just quit the game. Tired of QQing thread about nerf this and that, buff this and that.

Brute of Balthazar

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Brothers of Honor

W/Mo

/agree with Vehemence. Stop crying. This is hardly an exploit... since when has a wall stopped a meteor shower anyway? Also; all these people who think it's the next economy crash, stop being scaremongers, you're just people who think that your precious spears are going to drop in price. And with a calculated drop rate of around 0.0025% I dont see why you're worried. So..... your precious spear may drop by a few ectos, but, tbh if you have a spear I doubt a few ectos means anything to you.

It's a fun, easy run that allows everyone in the game to have a chance (if only a slight chance) to get a nice skinned spear.

Imo opinion it's a good thing.

januscht

januscht

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Order Of The Abominations [OoTA]

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f0.o
are you serious? ive seen a lot of ppl having good times doing this.. my guild/alliance teamed up whole weekend in this farm, i joined some runs too....

ZOMG people is having fun... YEA this deserves a nerf /sarcasm xD

/notsigned

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
We all knew perma shadow form was a bad idea. A.net did a poor job nerfing it to counteract the UW run (reducing damage, rather then reducing its duration), but we all knew there were other ways this could be exploited, via runs.
Lesson A.net has now learned:
Listen to your community next time.
I think it's so funny how people still QQ about perma-Shadow when it's been in the game since NF release. It was always just as powerful, especially for running like the perma in the VS farm does, and my only regret is that I didn't know a lot of the higher end areas could be rocked by it. Still, I made plenty on ectos before the buff and after the nerf and after the partial revert. It's just so interesting that 95% of people wouldn't take a SF Sin farming with them because they had no clue that it was the most ignored and most powerful farming build in the game. Oh well. Just another sign of the community being so locked into its temporary tendencies and so resistant to change that it repels some of the best bars in the game.

At any rate, /notsigned. It makes my ears bleed (or eyes, whatever) every time someone complains about "This run is overpowered, this is ruining GW, this is not fair to casual players/vets/Ursans/dogs/America/whatever." Keep in mind that minimal new content will be added to GW1 in the next couple of years waiting for GW2. Finding new ways to use and abuse what we have now is where the adventure and excitement is still at in GW.

And that from someone who hasn't done one VS run.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aera
So basically you want the farm to be nerfed so you can pug slaver's.

Play with guildies etc etc because farming is also making the game more fun for a lot of players.
Farming hurts more things than Slaver's pugging. Farming an extremely high-end item that easily kills the distribution of wealth in the game.