Paragon and PvP

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

How are Paragons PvP wise? How about PvE? Is it worth to get the Nightfall campaign to be able to use this class? Also, is it worth putting 100k into it?

Thanks,

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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PvP: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/..._Spear_Paragon

PvE: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon

yes

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Paragons are an inbalanced class, despite all the nerfs.

They have:

80 armour for a ranged character.
Damage that is comparable to a Warrior - at range.
The most powerful IAS in the game.
Decent DPS with extreme support.
Unremovable buffs.
Shields, which add even more defense.
Leadership, broken, passive energy management.

Getting the Nightfall campaign is good for all classes, as it has so many powerful skills open anyway.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

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Yes
12 chars

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Paragons are an inbalanced class, despite all the nerfs.

They have:

80 armour for a ranged character.
Damage that is comparable to a Warrior - at range.
The most powerful IAS in the game.
Decent DPS with extreme support.
Unremovable buffs.
Shields, which add even more defense.
Leadership, broken, passive energy management.

Getting the Nightfall campaign is good for all classes, as it has so many powerful skills open anyway. If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW?

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW? because the majority of people who play Guild Wars are bad at it and think Paragons suck.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Don't let the majority make your choice. The majority of this game's players are usually idiots who think they know everything with their Mending Warriors, tanking and other things even when those things have been proven wrong and surpassed in efficiency.

Not to mention that Paragons have access to the Imbagon, the most powerful defensive build in Guild Wars.

FlamingMetroid

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

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The Luminaries [Lumi]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Not to mention that Paragons have access to the Imbagon, the most powerful build in Guild Wars. fixed and such

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Ok thanks guys! You really motivated me!

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Oh and what dose IAS mean?

Pour One For Jose

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ISC]

P/W

increased attack speed

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW? if what the majority of the gw population did corresponded with what was actually good this game would be a lot better

Da Rk Bl Ad E

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belfast - Northern Ireland

D/W

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon

I herd +100al for your party is gud.

[Morkai]

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
Ok thanks guys! You really motivated me! Pun intended?

Bobby2

Bobby2

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

[MaSS]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW? Because people want to look cool

wut Tyla sed btw

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
Because people want to look cool

wut Tyla sed btw
So you mean Paragons don't look cool?

@Berek

Ya "motivate" pun intended

Richardt

Richardt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

http://friendsofloa.com/forum

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
So you mean Paragons don't look cool?
Paragons have some really nice looking spears, but the armor is terrible (at least for males). I went through about 4 elite armors in a week before I said screw it and bought FoW.

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

What dose FoW mean?

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Ty, and sorry for the mistype.

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW? Because male paragons wear 'skirts', and people ignorantly can't get passed this fact. That's really the only reason.

I personally think male paragons look cool.

Silversword22

Silversword22

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

AZ

Brotherhood of Feklaar

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
Because male paragons wear 'skirts', and people ignorantly can't get passed this fact. That's really the only reason. Haha! Between the man skirts and the augmented nipple armor, I can see why people think paragons to be the fruitiest class.

In an attempt to get back on topic, I love playing my paragon in PvE. With the right setup, you can dominate hard in fast. My experience in PvP is limited to alliance and arena battles, and I've usually run straight-up spear damage builds (something with stunning strike) which are still pretty effective. In summary, paragons look like butterflies but sting like Africanized bees!

Ciju

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

iMud

Is the Paragon Primeval armor worth getting? I see you have to beat the whole Nightfall campaign to get it. Whats it like armor wise?

The Bard

The Bard

Metal Machine

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
Is the Paragon Primeval armor worth getting? I see you have to beat the whole Nightfall campaign to get it. Whats it like armor wise? if you like how it looks, sure. there's no difference between max armors except the looks, they're all "balanced" all paragons have 80 AL with max armor
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Parag...#Armor_bonuses

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
Because male paragons wear 'skirts', and people ignorantly can't get passed this fact. That's really the only reason.

I personally think male paragons look cool. there's nothing ignorant about finding males in skirts aesthetically displeasing. it's ironic, your ignorance of the definition of ignorant.

My Lipgloss is Cool

My Lipgloss is Cool

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

My Computer

Band Of The H A W K

P/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz
there's nothing ignorant about finding males in skirts aesthetically displeasing. it's ironic, your ignorance of the definition of ignorant.
He was responding to this;

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciju
If they are good, why haven't I seen many in GW? And I believe he meant that, because of aesthetics, people do not make paragons. Ignorant may not have been the best choice of word (Perhaps foolish?) but it wasn't inherently wrong. Disliking a class based solely on aesthetics is a bit ignorant.

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

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Paragons are cool, just I think its worth noting that whilst the imbagon is imbalanced, its more about button mashing then skill. I llike to make my own builds, for fun. Dont automatically take the PvX way out, and you'll love paras alot more.

Richardt

Richardt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Also keep in mind that the PvX imbagon is terrible.

Actually, most of PvX falls under that heading.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool
He was responding to this;



And I believe he meant that, because of aesthetics, people do not make paragons. Ignorant may not have been the best choice of word (Perhaps foolish?) but it wasn't inherently wrong. Disliking a class based solely on aesthetics is a bit ignorant. choosing to play a class (in pve) because you like the way it looks isn't ignorant.
neither is choosing not to play a class because you don't like the way it looks.
ignorant would be thinking that paragons are mechanically bad.

We Dont Accept

We Dont Accept

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2008

In your Bed!

Mo/Me

not alot of people run paragon cause of ugly looks but in ha you see para all time ballance (spear pressure, para spike) if i was to heroway which i nvr wil i bring 2da paragons with deepwound and bleeding so it helps pressure and kite+deffence instead of eles ahmm they dont have best IAS assasins do and warriors are next followd by rangers then paragons.

Luminarus

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

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Wow... month old thread rez lol