ok, normally i wouldnt do this. but.. im going to share a build..
first up, a skill list
1- golden fox strike
2-golden fang strike <OR wild strike of stance heavy>
3-death blossom
4-"I am the strongest!"
5-asuran scan
6-critical eye
7-way of the assassin{e}
8-critical agility <or critical defense for safety>
stats, 12+3+1 critical strike, 12+1 dagger mastery
<recommended rank 5+ asuran and norn titles, higher is better
in hard mode i have personally hit for over 100 with the lead attack, 70-90 with offhand, and 160+ <per hit> with death blossom.
most dont live through the first combo, casters especially, warriors can hardly stand 2 chains. bosses are 2-4 depending on their skills and class
with rank 8 lightbringer, 15% <any mod>, 20% from customize, 45-75% from scan, possible 150% damage output +14-20 from IATS. and very high critical rate. damage potential is through the roof
if you have questions, ign- Asguard Of Cantha. recommendations welcome <note the recharge on attacks first (4 second kills)>
PVE speed sin
Asguard
Nibbit
OMG your so good! THANKS for sharing your Uber .... build. I bet you were the person who invented the original wammo build.
Bobby2
Not bad but it could be better
Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]
Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]
Molock
I have a few comments or suggestions:
1. You don't need 16 critical strikes, in fact that is too much. 14 Dagger, 13 critical strikes is a superior attribute distribution.
2. Way of the assassin + critical agility is redundant. Keep Critical agility and trash WotA.
3. Add Moebius Strike. Consider Club of a Thousand Bears.
Overall pretty good, but some changes would improve it.
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Originally Posted by Nibbit
1. You don't need 16 critical strikes, in fact that is too much. 14 Dagger, 13 critical strikes is a superior attribute distribution.
2. Way of the assassin + critical agility is redundant. Keep Critical agility and trash WotA.
3. Add Moebius Strike. Consider Club of a Thousand Bears.
Overall pretty good, but some changes would improve it.
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OMG your so good! THANKS for sharing your Uber .... build. I bet you were the person who invented the original wammo build.
Useless post.
graverobber2
you can't raise your attack speed over 33%
so if you're using [critical agility], [Way of the assassin] is a waste of your elite slot
so if you're using [critical agility], [Way of the assassin] is a waste of your elite slot
illidan009
OMG HOW DO YOU HIT SO HIGH?? Maybe b/c you have Asuran scan....and how is this build different from the PvE sin builds we see nowadays? Unless you were the original user of Asuran scan in a high dmg assassin build, this build is nothing special(although I don't think it's on pvx wiki yet)
FlamingMetroid
MS/DB is better and always will be
Asguard
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
Not bad but it could be better
Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]
actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..
Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by Asguard
actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee.. turn on hard mode then, and yes IAS doesn't stack beyond 33%
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee.. turn on hard mode then, and yes IAS doesn't stack beyond 33%
Asguard
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
turn on hard mode then, and yes IAS doesn't stack beyond 33%
like i said, in hard mode nothing lasts through more than 2 chains, and the attacks recharge fast enough without MS....
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by Asguard
like i said, in hard mode nothing lasts through more than 2 chains, and the attacks recharge fast enough without MS....
and since WoTA basically does nothing for you, you might as well use MS and use DB more
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by Asguard
actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee.. and this is why you get flamed.
there is a 33% ias cap. this is a fact.
your build is a less effective version of the typical ms/db build. this is a fact.
edit: lol, mostly the 33% ias thing. wtf, you think after 3 years this cap might just be a rumor?
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee.. and this is why you get flamed.
there is a 33% ias cap. this is a fact.
your build is a less effective version of the typical ms/db build. this is a fact.
edit: lol, mostly the 33% ias thing. wtf, you think after 3 years this cap might just be a rumor?
Bobby2
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Originally Posted by Asguard
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..
especially since it's obvious you've still got a lot to learn
legacyofkain85
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Originally Posted by Asguard
actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this
and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee.. belive it because there is ,except if it comes from a direct skill,ias wont stack beyond 33%,same goes for Ims(increased movement speed) it wont go pass 33% i think unless coming form a single skill like dash which is 50%,there was a time if im not mistaken when necro orders stacked an people used to run Iway with double orders and the ias they had stacked with the one from iway. -Lotus-
MS>>>>>>>>> WotA
and your attributes are better off at: 13 crt 14 dagger lose the superior rune.
Gift3d
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Moebius_Sin
Basically what you've posted is a less effective version of this.
Taixen
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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
belive it because there is ,except if it comes from a direct skill,ias wont stack beyond 33%,same goes for Ims(increased movement speed) it wont go pass 33% i think unless coming form a single skill like dash which is 50%,because i belive there there was once a time when orders on necro stacked an people used to run Iway with double orders and the ias from iway stacked with the ias they had if im not mistaken ,hehe picture that.
I had to read the last part of that post 4 times before it made much sense ^^.
Slightly Off-Topic - I saw a Warrior use IWAY in RA earlier, to make it worse - he had no fallen allies. But yeah, MS+Death Blossom is a much more effective build imho.
gigahertz205
why not just use critical agility and use a more useful elite?
MercenaryKnight
Not really that many elites out there besides mobius strike. I still think you should get MS instead of wota. Because then if your fighting a boss you can continue chaining deathblossom without wasting time with the other attack skills.
Melandrus Torment
I tested this variant on Isle of Nameless on the 100 suit of armour.
[unsuspecting strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][asuran scan][critical eye][critical agility][sunspear rebirth signet] Attributes were: Dagger Mastery 12+1+1 Critical Strikes 12+1 Weapon was: Tormented Daggers, 15^50%, 20/20, +30, customized. Surprisingly it took the armour down by Death Blossom, my Asuran rank is maximum. So maybe you could leave out Moebius Strike and run something else in your bar, with your secondary proffession left wide open.
FlamingMetroid
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Originally Posted by Melandrus Torment
Tormented Daggers, 15^50%, 20/20, +30, customized.
sundering is horrible on daggers
Unreal Havoc
I couldn't care less.
Bobby2
If it's [[I am the Strongest] abuse you want, you'd be better off with [[assassin's promise]
MercenaryKnight
You could try the buffed flashing blades elite in an attempt to keep yourself alive more in harder areas, while spreading quite a bit of armor ignoring damage to anything that attacks you.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
MS/DB is better and always will be
QFT.
If your not getting your chain off enough to justify DB spam your doing it wrong.Focus fire does not make a build good.I don't really get people using AS or spiking with deep wound in blossom builds as your really killing your overall DPS output.I'd rather multiple kills quickly than drop a single target in two hits (ignoring AP spike builds) necessitating the need for me to get to another target and restart my chain. MS/DB will easily overpower your build because your confusing the effectiveness of single target spiking with spammable AoE DPS.You build is really attempting the former while being set up as the latter. If your wanting to spike down targets do it efficiently and use AP as suggested.AS is single target and you'll get a way better return with the addition of opening up bigger spikes such as [Blades of Steel] + [asuran Scan]. Stuff goes boom. In saying I usually slot [Save Yourselves!] and have [Splinter Weapon] spam on me hence I prefer my target to stay alive for a few chains. MsMassacre
See? This is why I pretend asuran scan doesn't exist. It does all the work for you. I bet you could put asuran scan in a build with zero other skills and it would be better than most non-asuran scan builds.
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid
sundering is horrible
fixed
123456789 Molock
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Sundering is horrible
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123456789 I have to disagree for scythes and hammers but I digress...
On daggers I personally carry a Vamp set, an elemental set and a rarely used zealous set. Vamp is better than Sundering for daggers and elemental against warriors (or if using a conjure).
123456789 I have to disagree for scythes and hammers but I digress...
On daggers I personally carry a Vamp set, an elemental set and a rarely used zealous set. Vamp is better than Sundering for daggers and elemental against warriors (or if using a conjure).
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Molock
I have to disagree for scythes and hammers but I digress..
how do you disagree with DPS tests... whatever.
Luminarus
Iirc Sundering is pretty decent on scythes, axes and hammers because if you trigger with them, and they crits it hurts. However, I do agree that in general vamp is better. I run zealous daggers mostly coz I just like them, and the energy they give me. Spikes vamp, and elemental vs wars.
Anywho, ontopic:
If things are dropping in HM from one combo, it means that the heroes are attacking it as well. To get the most out of a combo in pve, its better to call a target, and then attack another. This means that MS/DB actually gets going and things drop ALOT faster overall.
Anywho, ontopic:
If things are dropping in HM from one combo, it means that the heroes are attacking it as well. To get the most out of a combo in pve, its better to call a target, and then attack another. This means that MS/DB actually gets going and things drop ALOT faster overall.
petrorabbit
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
how do you disagree with DPS tests... whatever.
Maybe because sometimes, my goal is not consistent dps, but to bring down a target as fast as possible with spike damage?
Didn't we go over this already?
Didn't we go over this already?
legacyofkain85
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Originally Posted by Taixen
I had to read the last part of that post 4 times before it made much sense ^^.
Slightly Off-Topic - I saw a Warrior use IWAY in RA earlier, to make it worse - he had no fallen allies.
But yeah, MS+Death Blossom is a much more effective build imho. sorry about that i will correct mi post,what i was trying to say is that once upon a time if im not mistaken there were iway teams with an necro using both order of the vampire and order of pain because they stacked ,and the warriors used an ias which stacked with the one from iway,i could be wrong but i remeber i read about this once
Slightly Off-Topic - I saw a Warrior use IWAY in RA earlier, to make it worse - he had no fallen allies.
But yeah, MS+Death Blossom is a much more effective build imho. sorry about that i will correct mi post,what i was trying to say is that once upon a time if im not mistaken there were iway teams with an necro using both order of the vampire and order of pain because they stacked ,and the warriors used an ias which stacked with the one from iway,i could be wrong but i remeber i read about this once
Destro Maniak
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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
sorry about that i will correct mi post,what i was trying to say is that once upon a time if im not mistaken there were iway teams with an necro using both order of the vampire and order of pain because they stacked ,and the warriors used an ias which stacked with the one from iway,i could be wrong but i remeber i read about this once
if you have r10 asura like me:
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole)
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole)
Asguard
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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
if you have r10 asura like me:
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole) my question to you is, how can you mobius chain when EVERYTHING<excluding bosses> dies from 1 death blossom, there is no chance to mobius->death blossom because mobius cant be used untill AFTER a dual attack....., your statement fails, seeing as how you cant use a dual attack that kills and then use mobius on a new npc
go asuran scan+mobius+death blossom TARGET IS DEAD IN 4 SECOND MAX (with critical agility)
On hardcore too
I just take nearly full monk and I be one of the 2 damage dealer (1 ele 1 me, 1ss 1mm)
And every mob is dead after a minute (I mean the mob as whole) my question to you is, how can you mobius chain when EVERYTHING<excluding bosses> dies from 1 death blossom, there is no chance to mobius->death blossom because mobius cant be used untill AFTER a dual attack....., your statement fails, seeing as how you cant use a dual attack that kills and then use mobius on a new npc
Bobby2
Heh. Make up your mind whether you want to
- DB spam for AoE pressure (packing Scan for key foes)
- Abuse imba PvE dmg buffs for single target spiking ([[assassin's promise])
newai, no matter how much you argue...
[way of the assassin] is still a crap skill.
Get.
Something.
Better.
- DB spam for AoE pressure (packing Scan for key foes)
- Abuse imba PvE dmg buffs for single target spiking ([[assassin's promise])
newai, no matter how much you argue...
[way of the assassin] is still a crap skill.
Get.
Something.
Better.
Bowstring Badass
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Didn't we go over this already?
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Heh. Make up your mind whether you want to
- DB spam for AoE pressure (packing Scan for key foes) - Abuse imba PvE dmg buffs for single target spiking ([[assassin's promise]) newai, no matter how much you argue... [way of the assassin] is still a crap skill. Get. Something. Better.
How about [critical agility] with [moebius strike]?  Honestly that pve skill never leaves my sin bar in PvE. Then you can abuse [asuran scan] or ["I am the Strongest"] and ["save yourselves"] Tyla
Sundering is only good for spiking with axes, and possibly camping with scythes and hammers. Keep in mind that spiking is more of a PvP tactic than anything else aswell.
Taisayacho
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my question to you is, how can you mobius chain when EVERYTHING<excluding bosses> dies from 1 death blossom, there is no chance to mobius->death blossom because mobius cant be used untill AFTER a dual attack....., your statement fails, seeing as how you cant use a dual attack that kills and then use mobius on a new npc
Lead > Off-hand > DB > Moebius > DB > etc. Simple.
Tyla
He means that if an enemy dies before Moebius Strike, you can't get the bonus of MS.
Taisayacho
Oh. Well then.
I still think MS is a way better choice than WotA, especially when you have Crit Agility on your bar. But I think that's been said about a bazillion times already on this thread. |
