I went through so many threads already and almost everywhere there are complaints regarding how bad the PUGs are. I know there were some threads before but I think it will be nice to start a new one to discuss the current situation.
I know most of you do not PUG anymore and the reasons are more or less obvious. The question is how to make PUGs more attractive or at least improve them so that they are not so much pain anymore. I think suggestions can be funny or serious. Maybe something smart will pop out. Of course suggestions like remove heroes or henchmen are not welcomed since they will not make PUGs more acceptable but will make even more people leave the game.
My first proposal would be to add word NOOB to the list of words which are displayed in "...." format.
Add report option for drawing genitals on the mini map.
After three lines filled only with caps team chat is disabled for a given player for the next 5 minutes. No more OMFG OMFG spams.
PUG leader can see the skill bars of the players asking to be invited to the party and the ones (+heroes) already in the party.
Limit MOX heroes to maximum 2 for a party (at least for the next two weeks).
Add a possibility to have a platform on which you can display to your team several builds (for you and your heroes) one under another.
Person going afk is voted by all other team members - if you go afk you have a button I am going afk and estimated time. Other team members vote. If anyone votes no or person does not click afk button the following option is turned on: If someone is afk for more than 5 minutes or by 5 minutes exceeded the time set before then all drops (including chests and end chests) are disabled for this person unless all other non afk-team members agree by voting. This is not perfect but will limit leachers (unfortunately not leavers). Of course someone can argue that many things happen in RL and then person will be excluded but then there is a vote option.
etc etc etc.
Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to reduce a chance of getting a moron in a PUG. Probably whole this tread is pointless at this stage of the game but I can still see light at the end of the tunnel. I hope I am not alone.
A discussion on how to improve PUGs
Shasgaliel
Numa Pompilius
For what it's worth... the reason I H/H instead of PUG isn't because PUGs are bad, normally they're faster and more efficient than hero-henching, but that they don't let me play the way I want. I don't want to rush, and I'm not playing to farm loot, so I and PUGs don't mix.
Hyper.nl
Pugs are underrated imo. I got all of these with pugs or hero/henchway. For all normal mode storyline missions Pugs generally work excellent. Only hard mode and elite missions/area's can prove too much for many PuGs.
Of course, measures are needed against leavers and morons. I would /sign every measure against people who draw crap in compass. I also would love to see the AI taking over the character of a leaver, as suggested before.
Of course, measures are needed against leavers and morons. I would /sign every measure against people who draw crap in compass. I also would love to see the AI taking over the character of a leaver, as suggested before.
Engage
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For what it's worth... the reason I H/H instead of PUG isn't because PUGs are bad, normally they're faster and more efficient than hero-henching, but that they don't let me play the way I want. I don't want to rush, and I'm not playing to farm loot, so I and PUGs don't mix.
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This........
I want to do things how I want. If I want to eat a sandwich and watch Corner Gas in the middle of a dungeon then so be it.
You know right away what you are dealing with when you join a pug. Those willing to compromise build wise and actually talk beforehand about what's to be done are the people you want to play with.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel
Limit MOX heroes to maximum 2 for a party (at least for the next two weeks).
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Because he's new people seem to just want to use him all the time.
I got in a PuG for defeating N.O.X. with 3 M.O.X. heroes in it. I asked if at least one could be removed for a BHA ranger and was told by someone "No M.O.X. is good and has a good build that works for me". I questioned why there were THREE M.O.X. heroes, and even pointed out that M.O.X. wasn't even a requirement for the quest....the only response I got was one guy pinging his leet Avatar of Balthazar Dervish build packed with 15-energy enchantments and 10-energy attacks, followed by him telling me how he managed his energy well. Yea...I bet.
I left.
That being said, I have had some fun in R.O.X., N.O.X. and P.O.X. PuGs. They're not all bad if you choose well and leave the stupid ones to fail without you.
gerlin
The reason i LIKE pugs are because sometimes I don't have to take point all the time :/, i don't care if they are retards as long as they provide me with a meat wall. But i usally still end up taking point (even with monk i have to aggro the mobs because those wussies are to scared to die, even when i'm pro-healing them). And if i'm not leading they at least aggro 2 mobs at a time.
But hey, thats always a laugh and a lesson to listen to my warnings.
A second reason why i pug is because you can chat with others and they sometimes ping their builds. Half the time i'm almost literally roflmao'ing.
But yea, the only annoying thing in pugs are leavers and leechers.
Leechers can be disposed by putting in a rule that when not active for 15 min he gets replaced by a henchy of the same profession, and he is send back to the outpost and like in pvp hexed with "for 10 min you can't do any missions". This will also annoy people who run but moving once every 5 min ain't that hard. As for leavers, if someone leaves with atleast 75% party members remaining, they are also hexed with " For 5 min you are not allowed to go on any missions. Also you have -5 health regen and 0 zero pipes of energy regen."
If that doesn't stop leavers and leechers nothing will
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I never have any trouble with people wanting to bring mox. IF i see one i strong urge them to take an MM instead, and i can be very persuasive.
But hey, thats always a laugh and a lesson to listen to my warnings.
A second reason why i pug is because you can chat with others and they sometimes ping their builds. Half the time i'm almost literally roflmao'ing.
But yea, the only annoying thing in pugs are leavers and leechers.
Leechers can be disposed by putting in a rule that when not active for 15 min he gets replaced by a henchy of the same profession, and he is send back to the outpost and like in pvp hexed with "for 10 min you can't do any missions". This will also annoy people who run but moving once every 5 min ain't that hard. As for leavers, if someone leaves with atleast 75% party members remaining, they are also hexed with " For 5 min you are not allowed to go on any missions. Also you have -5 health regen and 0 zero pipes of energy regen."
If that doesn't stop leavers and leechers nothing will
I never have any trouble with people wanting to bring mox. IF i see one i strong urge them to take an MM instead
AnbuAdam
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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel
I went through so many threads already and almost everywhere there are complaints regarding how bad the PUGs are. I know there were some threads before but I think it will be nice to start a new one to discuss the current situation.
I know most of you do not PUG anymore and the reasons are more or less obvious. The question is how to make PUGs more attractive or at least improve them so that they are not so much pain anymore. I think suggestions can be funny or serious. Maybe something smart will pop out. Of course suggestions like remove heroes or henchmen are not welcomed since they will not make PUGs more acceptable but will make even more people leave the game. My first proposal would be to add word NOOB to the list of words which are displayed in "...." format. Add report option for drawing genitals on the mini map. After three lines filled only with caps team chat is disabled for a given player for the next 5 minutes. No more OMFG OMFG spams. PUG leader can see the skill bars of the players asking to be invited to the party and the ones (+heroes) already in the party. Limit MOX heroes to maximum 2 for a party (at least for the next two weeks). Add a possibility to have a platform on which you can display to your team several builds (for you and your heroes) one under another. Person going afk is voted by all other team members - if you go afk you have a button I am going afk and estimated time. Other team members vote. If anyone votes no or person does not click afk button the following option is turned on: If someone is afk for more than 5 minutes or by 5 minutes exceeded the time set before then all drops (including chests and end chests) are disabled for this person unless all other non afk-team members agree by voting. This is not perfect but will limit leachers (unfortunately not leavers). Of course someone can argue that many things happen in RL and then person will be excluded but then there is a vote option. etc etc etc. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to reduce a chance of getting a moron in a PUG. Probably whole this tread is pointless at this stage of the game but I can still see light at the end of the tunnel. I hope I am not alone. |
1)I don't get why you would want to do that. Its not vulgarity.
2)Yes. Its very annoying when people draw on the map obnoxiously, or at least make a way to know who is doing that.
3)Yes. But not just all caps because some guy will go OMg
4)Absolutely agree 100%
5)No, M.O.X is awesome.(As long as you give him a good build).
6)Yes.
7)Yes.
I'd also like to add, a report function for leechers in PvE, or at least a way to vote kick so they dont chest drops during my CoF run. Or, being a leech in general.
Etta
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This tread is probably pointless at this stage of the game.
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Lykan
I went pugging the mox quests a few times. And had some pugs trying to bring mox with them, I asked them all the same question.
"Would you have brought a dervish hero in a group last week?"
Everytime they all got sheepish and switched the mox's for something else.
and lol
"Would you have brought a dervish hero in a group last week?"
Everytime they all got sheepish and switched the mox's for something else.
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5)No, M.O.X is awesome.(As long as you give him a good build). |
Miska Bow
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.... but I can still see light at the end of the tunnel. I hope I am not alone.
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White Lies
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My first proposal would be to add word NOOB to the list of words which are displayed in "...." format..
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Add report option for drawing genitals on the mini map.
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After three lines filled only with caps team chat is disabled for a given player for the next 5 minutes. No more OMFG OMFG spams..
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PUG leader can see the skill bars of the players asking to be invited to the party and the ones (+heroes) already in the party..
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Pinging skills should be a voluntary action from the players, if they dont want to ping, they get kicked. Pinging a build, in my experience at least, can help you make the build better with one of the players saying 'i run xxxx with this, it helps with xxxx'. Thats how i see pinging should work. Afterwards it depends on the players and the leaders.
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Add a possibility to have a platform on which you can display to your team several builds (for you and your heroes) one under another.
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The pinging is the only thing i feel strongly about, the rest of the ideas are really good though.
~Lies
oh also like the dihonerable style title for leavers, and the AI replacement.
The Red Messenger
Pugs will only be good for new people. when the game first came out, we were all noobs so pugs were good. henchie AI sucked and there were no heroes or the ability to flag. any human was generally better than his or her henchmen counterpart.
those days are gone. people only pug when they are feeling nice or are new to the game. basically you are gambling time when you pug.
the only solution i see is to have a real way to judge experience. titles and equipment do not work. possible a rating system might be interesting...
after a pug, your party can rate your performance, and this rating can be displayed like a title if you choose. it would have to be set up so the same person cant rate you twice in a given time period. actually now that i think about it this idea is stupid and would never work
those days are gone. people only pug when they are feeling nice or are new to the game. basically you are gambling time when you pug.
the only solution i see is to have a real way to judge experience. titles and equipment do not work. possible a rating system might be interesting...
after a pug, your party can rate your performance, and this rating can be displayed like a title if you choose. it would have to be set up so the same person cant rate you twice in a given time period. actually now that i think about it this idea is stupid and would never work
The Meth
Mandatory intelligence tests implemented in game, with the players score displayed in a 2nd, permanent title.
That's what you want.
That's what you want.
R_Frost
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
For what it's worth... the reason I H/H instead of PUG isn't because PUGs are bad, normally they're faster and more efficient than hero-henching, but that they don't let me play the way I want. I don't want to rush, and I'm not playing to farm loot, so I and PUGs don't mix.
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N1ghtstalker
put "go to pvxwiki" in the menu
maybe people will actually look then
maybe people will actually look then
Shasgaliel
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Dont understand this :S . |
Damian979
Allow the leeching report function to be used for PvE. (Makes no sense to me why it isn't already)
Allow the dishonor hex to be used in PvE for x# of reports for verbal abuse, leeching, etc.
Add a message box before entering mission areas where all team members click "ok" to eliminate the "ZOMGWTF I was merching/making a build/storing stuff/wanking I didn't type 111" /ragequit.
Add an option within party search to see what classes are already in a party you may potentially want to join or get invited to. "Wth there are 6 W/ and a Me/, I'm an E/, why did you waste my time?"
Allow the dishonor hex to be used in PvE for x# of reports for verbal abuse, leeching, etc.
Add a message box before entering mission areas where all team members click "ok" to eliminate the "ZOMGWTF I was merching/making a build/storing stuff/wanking I didn't type 111" /ragequit.
Add an option within party search to see what classes are already in a party you may potentially want to join or get invited to. "Wth there are 6 W/ and a Me/, I'm an E/, why did you waste my time?"
Calista Blackblood
make the tutorial non skippable
gremlin
Only party leader able to draw on mini map others can just ping
Other annoying behaviour lparty dumps player and carries on or return to town dump player and start again.
Learn by talking to players to distinguish potential idiots.
Seeing others skill bars pinging them etc nope none of your business besides its pretty easy to change the skill bar after pinging and being accepted.
See above how to distinguish potential idiots.
Go back to the old ways of pugging ie
Party looking for MM necro
SS necro LFG
Interupt ranger needed for mission etc
As for MOX while I agree too many huge golems could get annoying just how many pugs use more than one maybe two heroes anyway.
I find its usually a pug short a Monk or a Warrior that grabs a couple of heroes rather than wait for enough players.
The AFK problem is annoying it always has been and players jumping ship because they are after survivor title.
Little you can do except live with it just talk to the players about how long this is going to take and are they ok with that.
You have to trust people sometimes.
Other annoying behaviour lparty dumps player and carries on or return to town dump player and start again.
Learn by talking to players to distinguish potential idiots.
Seeing others skill bars pinging them etc nope none of your business besides its pretty easy to change the skill bar after pinging and being accepted.
See above how to distinguish potential idiots.
Go back to the old ways of pugging ie
Party looking for MM necro
SS necro LFG
Interupt ranger needed for mission etc
As for MOX while I agree too many huge golems could get annoying just how many pugs use more than one maybe two heroes anyway.
I find its usually a pug short a Monk or a Warrior that grabs a couple of heroes rather than wait for enough players.
The AFK problem is annoying it always has been and players jumping ship because they are after survivor title.
Little you can do except live with it just talk to the players about how long this is going to take and are they ok with that.
You have to trust people sometimes.
Evil_Necro
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I sympathise with this comment.
Because he's new people seem to just want to use him all the time. I got in a PuG for defeating N.O.X. with 3 M.O.X. heroes in it. I asked if at least one could be removed for a BHA ranger and was told by someone "No M.O.X. is good and has a good build that works for me". I questioned why there were THREE M.O.X. heroes, and even pointed out that M.O.X. wasn't even a requirement for the quest....the only response I got was one guy pinging his leet Avatar of Balthazar Dervish build packed with 15-energy enchantments and 10-energy attacks, followed by him telling me how he managed his energy well. Yea...I bet. I left. |
My nightmare!!
omg!
Martin Firestorm
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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel
My first proposal would be to add word NOOB to the list of words which are displayed in "...." format.
Add report option for drawing genitals on the mini map. After three lines filled only with caps team chat is disabled for a given player for the next 5 minutes. No more OMFG OMFG spams. PUG leader can see the skill bars of the players asking to be invited to the party and the ones (+heroes) already in the party. .............................. Person going afk is voted by all other team members - if you go afk you have a button I am going afk and estimated time. Other team members vote. If anyone votes no or person does not click afk button the following option is turned on: If someone is afk for more than 5 minutes or by 5 minutes exceeded the time set before then all drops (including chests and end chests) are disabled for this person unless all other non afk-team members agree by voting. This is not perfect but will limit leachers (unfortunately not leavers). Of course someone can argue that many things happen in RL and then person will be excluded but then there is a vote option. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to reduce a chance of getting a moron in a PUG. Probably whole this tread is pointless at this stage of the game but I can still see light at the end of the tunnel. I hope I am not alone. |
Morons. You can't fix morons.
No thanks.
Fitz Rinley
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I know most of you do not PUG anymore and the reasons are more or less obvious. The question is how to make PUGs more attractive or at least improve them so that they are not so much pain anymore. I think suggestions can be funny or serious.
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| Person going afk is voted by all other team members - if you go afk you have a button I am going afk and estimated time. Other team members vote. If anyone votes no or person does not click afk button the following option is turned on: If someone is afk for more than 5 minutes or by 5 minutes exceeded the time set before then all drops (including chests and end chests) are disabled for this person unless all other non afk-team members agree by voting. This is not perfect but will limit leachers (unfortunately not leavers). Of course someone can argue that many things happen in RL and then person will be excluded but then there is a vote option. |
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What I expect out of party members in supporting their team:
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glacialphoenix
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Which is also why a Dishonorable Hex for PvE would be a nasty, nasty feature unless you could find a way to skim through the reports from sheer abuse. Furthermore, in PvP, the hex makes it such that your character can't enter PvP for x number of minutes. How would that pan out in PvE?
Trub
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Am I the only one who thinks this is too easily abusable? Yeah, you could report a guy for drawing genitals and writing swearwords on the minimap, but I've also heard of people who cannot tolerate drawing on the minimap at all. And then there's the entire 'disgruntled' issue. Don't like the fact that he got a good drop and you didn't? /Report.
Which is also why a Dishonorable Hex for PvE would be a nasty, nasty feature unless you could find a way to skim through the reports from sheer abuse. Furthermore, in PvP, the hex makes it such that your character can't enter PvP for x number of minutes. How would that pan out in PvE? |
You have revived my belief in guru posters actually having a functioning thought process.
No need for a /report function in PvE..that's just silly.
It was really only used back when we were infested with bots.
If you and your team think someone is leeching..go back into town, and boot him/her.
the /report team function is mostly for the weird chit that happens in RA..you don't wanna go there!!
Zahr Dalsk
Mini-map draw/ping function simply removed.
Option for team leader to force load builds onto other players and lock them to stop all the retarded Power Attack Warriors and Firestorm Elementalists.
Ability to kick other players at will and have them automatically replaced by a hero, while in an instance.
/report option of terrible spelling and grammar. This game is for 13 years or older, if you can't manage to speak English correctly at 13 years of age, something's wrong with you; get back to English class.
Mandatory IQ test that starts as soon as anyone logs in after the next patch. There is a time limit and it must be done immediately. The score is then listed beside your ingame player name. This score is permanent.
Option for team leader to force load builds onto other players and lock them to stop all the retarded Power Attack Warriors and Firestorm Elementalists.
Ability to kick other players at will and have them automatically replaced by a hero, while in an instance.
/report option of terrible spelling and grammar. This game is for 13 years or older, if you can't manage to speak English correctly at 13 years of age, something's wrong with you; get back to English class.
Mandatory IQ test that starts as soon as anyone logs in after the next patch. There is a time limit and it must be done immediately. The score is then listed beside your ingame player name. This score is permanent.
Trub
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I hope that's a stab at sarcasm!
There are many days when I get home from a long, hot day of big peoples stoof that all I want is a couple of stiff drinks...and to run amok and kill many things in a video game.
I just wanna play a game..NOT apply for M.I.T....
</sarcasm\>
eximiis
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Ability to kick other players at will and have them automatically replaced by a hero, while in an instance.
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No chest for all of you !!
cthulhu reborn
I only play in PUGs if I wanna have a good laugh....nothing like asking them to ping their skills.
My fave was the warrior who had sever artery, heal signet, endure pain, vampiric gaze, blood of the master. animate bone minions, well of blood and res signet.
He died a lot...and he apologised a lot...apparently the problem, as he said, was that he ran out of energy so fast...priceless I tell you.
My fave was the warrior who had sever artery, heal signet, endure pain, vampiric gaze, blood of the master. animate bone minions, well of blood and res signet.
He died a lot...and he apologised a lot...apparently the problem, as he said, was that he ran out of energy so fast...priceless I tell you.
glacialphoenix
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If there is a viable way to get past players who leech, I'm all for it. /report is too easily abusable to be one of those viable ways.
You will always risk someone being a moron in a PUG, because that's how things work. You will also run the chance of meeting decent, nice players. It's been that way since I started playing, and I only stopped PUGging after GWEN came out. (Actually, I learnt a lot of lessons on 'what not to do when you play this class' from PUGging, but I digress.)
The main issue with PUGs is, I think, mostly tolerance. This doesn't mean you have to handle every last piece of shit that people throw at you. It does mean that people need to be more open-minded. If someone criticizes your build, it doesn't automatically mean the person's trying to tear you apart verbally. If someone runs a build that isn't the usual one you expect, it doesn't automatically mean that the person's a bad player. That's probably the difference between guild teams that can pass areas with a mishmash of professions, and a PUG that wipes even with their 'ideal' build.
Because, seriously, if the flarespammer would stop and listen to why another bar is better, he wouldn't be a flarespammer anymore.
I stopped PUGging after GWEN because I got increasingly irritated at people who wouldn't listen. Not because they were bad - I'd rather play with a total newbie who's willing to learn than a better player who isn't. I don't think losing your temper at every single thing that goes wrong is the way. People tend to be more willing to sit down and pay attention when you say something calmly, and that can make the difference between finishing a mission/quest/whatever successfully. Saying "stand back a little" is a lot more effective than shouting "OMFG STAND BACK NOOB."
Damian979
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Don't like the fact that he got a good drop and you didn't? /Report.
Which is also why a Dishonorable Hex for PvE would be a nasty, nasty feature unless you could find a way to skim through the reports from sheer abuse. Furthermore, in PvP, the hex makes it such that your character can't enter PvP for x number of minutes. How would that pan out in PvE? |
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If you and your team think someone is leeching..go back into town, and boot him/her.
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scenario: Player x afk's from the start of the mission. Once he is reported by all remaining members of the party for leeching he recieves a dishonorable hex. He then does not recieve credit for the mission and/or bonus and can not enter said mission again until the hex wears off.
Not abusable by one person with a chip on their shoulder and discourages leeching by not allowing a reward for doing it. Doesn't require /resign and regroup if the party chooses to continue with the mission.
glacialphoenix
@Damian: I like that idea.
Pleikki
Remove pugging from game, make it solo game !!
Unreal Havoc
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/facepalm.
I hope that's a stab at sarcasm! There are many days when I get home from a long, hot day of big peoples stoof that all I want is a couple of stiff drinks...and to run amok and kill many things in a video game. I just wanna play a game..NOT apply for M.I.T.... </sarcasm\> |
Stockholm
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Mini-map draw/ping function simply removed.
Option for team leader to force load builds onto other players and lock them to stop all the retarded Power Attack Warriors and Firestorm Elementalists. |
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Ability to kick other players at will and have them automatically replaced by a hero, while in an instance.
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/report option of terrible spelling and grammar. This game is for 13 years or older, if you can't manage to speak English correctly at 13 years of age, something's wrong with you; get back to English class.
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Mandatory IQ test that starts as soon as anyone logs in after the next patch. There is a time limit and it must be done immediately. The score is then listed beside your ingame player name. This score is permanent.
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Burst Cancel
The problem with PuGing is that you're playing with random strangers. Pulling a group of random people together to accomplish anything in a civil and organized fashion in real-life is already absurdly difficult, and when you throw in the anonymous safety of the internet it becomes damn near impossible. This is a fundamental problem that really has little or nothing to do with GW.
4thVariety
All hail Hypno Toad Minipet, it will brainwash any Pug into submission.
The longer people play the more the game focuses on forcing players to execute their skills more masterfully. The Pug problem is then one of having to few experienced players and too little time to instruct them, combined with an unwillingness to be instructed of course. Why would MMO players want to be instructed, after all, they are used to winning with any skill combination in most MMOs, as long as they pre-grinded their levels far enough.
The longer people play the more the game focuses on forcing players to execute their skills more masterfully. The Pug problem is then one of having to few experienced players and too little time to instruct them, combined with an unwillingness to be instructed of course. Why would MMO players want to be instructed, after all, they are used to winning with any skill combination in most MMOs, as long as they pre-grinded their levels far enough.
Damus
the frustrating and hilarious nature of PUGs is intrinsic to MMORPGs. Embrace it, go solo, or group w/ only ppl u know and trust.
Vamis Threen
You want to improve PUGs? Remove all h/hs and disband all guilds. That'll work.
Age
There really is no fix for this unless you close off the Islands to all Foriegners(sp) meaning Istani and Sing Jea.This way no one can get run around and when someone leaves they can't return it is a one way ticket.This is for Factions and Nightfall.
When it comes to Prophecies a higher lvl should be required and grouping should be must in expanded 4 party members.This would be in higher areas though.It starts in the beginning to improve player quality maybe some testing would be good similar to the insignia testing.This is if Anet want to make these changes and the community supports them.
There really is no simiple solution to this.I have been in great and really bad pugs.
When it comes to Prophecies a higher lvl should be required and grouping should be must in expanded 4 party members.This would be in higher areas though.It starts in the beginning to improve player quality maybe some testing would be good similar to the insignia testing.This is if Anet want to make these changes and the community supports them.
There really is no simiple solution to this.I have been in great and really bad pugs.
Trvth Jvstice
I like playing with PUGs occasionally - The mele Necro or Mesmer are fun to watch just as are the over-aggroing Warrior or Assassin. I have to admit though, I am easily amused. That said, I only play with PUGs when I'm playing a quest/mission that I am VERY familiar with and am playing just for fun, or when helping a friend who is in a PUG. When I'm determined to beat a mission/quest that's new to me, or I'm having trouble with - I research it and play with H/H or friends that I can trust to play appropriately. I should mention that I've been playing for 35 months and I've gotten pretty good at recognizing a bad PUG pretty quickly. My experience with PUGs when I was a new player were mostly frustrating - both at my teammates and at myself.