Maybe we won't happen upon our Hall of Monuments...maybe it'll be there from the start and my theory is completely worthless...just trying to add some flavor.

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Konig Des Todes
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draxynnic
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I suspect a lot of people here would be surprised to find a historical figure in their family tree within the last 250 years if they went digging.
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Shadowmere
Free Runner
It's this hunger for power that would make Livia susceptable to corruption, the temptation to use the power she had for her own ends. But I think any corruption of Livia wouldn't be of her own doing alone, she is very strong willed. But artifacts of the late Abbadon or agents of Dhuum could be a fair bit more persuasive in that matter. Remember that Shiro never wanted to kill the emperor, he was corrupted and driven mad to the point of paranoia by Abbadon's agents. I don't think it's too much of a strech to say that a similar fate could befall Livia, especially when she wields the Scepter of Orr and specifically states she is going to Arah, the very place Vizier Khillbron came under Abbadon's influence.
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[as a side note, I believe that Arah is not as destroyed as first believed and that the Scepter of Orr can act as a "key" to access the lost city. The Scepter is of divine creation originally after all.] |
Alternatively this theory could also point to Dhuum being the true culprit, if say Livia was corrupted more violently, possessed. I think only Dhuum would be able to pull that kind of stunt off. (Menzies has never struck me very much as the subtle corrupting type) |
Shadowmere
Originally Posted by Free Runner
We dont know if the Scepter was Abaddons, Dhumms or pretty much any of the gods. Its also not exactly an artifact of corruption - all the corrupting had been done long before it was possessed by the Lich. Its just a very powerful object that would be very dangerous in the wrong hands.
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Which would bring up the question of why Dhuum is corrupting mortals when we know full well that he is broken. His power must be pretty thin by the time M.O.X, N.O.X, R.O.X and P.O.X are created. And from what we know of him, he doesnt have anything against humanity but moreso against Grenth (its more likely he joined Abaddon for the hell of it, with the chances of actually managing to gain his power back rather than trying to strike at humanity). |
Free Runner
The Scepter (and it's sister staff, the Staff of Mists) were created by the gods (no specific one is credited to its creation) as a gift to powerful nations of the world for protection.
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What I'm suggesting here is that the wielder of the Scepter (in this case Livia) would be able to access the inner most secrets of Arah. Unless I'm mistaken the Scepter & the Staff of Mists are the only artifacts we have that are believed to have been created by the gods themselves. |
Dhuum is quite weak, however he may not have lost as much as gained from Abbadons defeat. Remember DoA? Abbadon had a truly massive army that needed a new leader, Mallyx took up the role but was defeated too. That leaves Dhuum and Menzies the only real "powerful" figureheads Abbadons Margonites and demons have to rally behind. Dhuum (or Menzies as well) could in a sense be trying to repeat what Abbadon tried. Sew enough chaos in Tyria that he could manifest himself here. If he did take over all of Tyria he would stand a much better chance against Grenth (or Balthazar for Menzies) than he would trying to take the god on his home turf. |
But again maybe it's just my wishful thinking as a way to finally tie up the Dhuum/Menzies storylines. |
Haxor
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I never said the Scepter was corrupting in and of itself, the power it has causes temptation to misuse it but not like the Abbadon style corruption I 'm talking about. The Scepter (and it's sister staff, the Staff of Mists) were created by the gods (no specific one is credited to its creation) as a gift to powerful nations of the world for protection.
What I'm suggesting here is that the wielder of the Scepter (in this case Livia) would be able to access the inner most secrets of Arah. Unless I'm mistaken the Scepter & the Staff of Mists are the only artifacts we have that are believed to have been created by the gods themselves. |
Originally Posted by Shadowmere
Dhuum is quite weak, however he may not have lost as much as gained from Abbadons defeat. Remember DoA? Abbadon had a truly massive army that needed a new leader, Mallyx took up the role but was defeated too. That leaves Dhuum and Menzies the only real "powerful" figureheads Abbadons Margonites and demons have to rally behind.
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Originally Posted by Virashak
"Beyond the Gate of Anguish lies Ravenheart Gloom."
Tell me about the Ravenheart Gloom. "Ravenheart Gloom is a never-ending plane blanketed in darkness. Some say that it leads through the Mists to places even more foreboding than the Realm of Torment, though none who have ventured such paths have returned to tell their tale. It is there that the Order of Whispers fights a desperate battle against a greater darkness and its allies." What creatures inhabit Ravenheart Gloom? "This vast plane of shadow is plagued by torment creatures. Demons lurk within the repressive darkness, waiting to step through rifts that give them passage to Elona, Tyria, and beyond. Within these dark confines Balthazar's accursed half-brother Menzies has staged his forces. With Abaddon defeated, they turn now to fight alongside Mallyx the Unyielding in desperation." |
Originally Posted by Shadowmere
Dhuum (or Menzies as well) could in a sense be trying to repeat what Abbadon tried. Sew enough chaos in Tyria that he could manifest himself here. If he did take over all of Tyria he would stand a much better chance against Grenth (or Balthazar for Menzies) than he would trying to take the god on his home turf.
But again maybe it's just my wishful thinking as a way to finally tie up the Dhuum/Menzies storylines. |
Originally Posted by Free Runner
I'm willing to bet the Dhuum and Menzies storyline is going to be a large story in Guild Wars 2. So its not even began yet.
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Originally Posted by Haxor
This might be me, and it could be completely unrelated, but a sentence really caught my eye when my char was drinking a Bottle of Grog.
"Yarr. I love ye, man! Yer a good man, mysterious stranger! " Now granted, it's not much to go on. The first part could easily be led back to alcohol making people more affectionate, but the specific mentioning of "Mysterious Stranger" did catch my eye. As of yet I've not really been able to point something down with it (besides possibility of the corsairs being on his payroll too), but I figured I'd throw it out there. |
Gmr Leon
Also if she had gained the Scepter (which we know she eventually does) there would be no need for Golems and Assassinations - Livia would have her own private army that could help the shining blade.
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I don't think it's too much of a strech to say that a similar fate could befall Livia, especially when she wields the Scepter of Orr and specifically states she is going to Arah, the very place Vizier Khillbron came under Abbadon's influence.
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Free Runner
Which we know she eventually does? What do you mean by that? We do not know whether or not she actually takes the Scepter of Orr. In fact, the cutscene seems to indicate hesitation on her part, which to me implies she does not take the Scepter of Orr.
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Konig Des Todes
Further support for my idea is also found in that Ogden states, during that cutscene, "New sacrifices would be made." The sacrifice of not taking the Scepter of Orr would be new, would you not agree? No one else has managed to avoid claiming it as their own. The White Mantle took it, the Shining Blade stole it, and Vizier Khilbron took it as well.
No one made the sacrifice of giving up the power it held. I know I've other posts that more eloquently support my point in this, and I may see if I can find it if this area of speculation persists. |
draxynnic
Also if she had gained the Scepter (which we know she eventually does) there would be no need for Golems and Assassinations - Livia would have her own private army that could help the shining blade.
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Konig Des Todes
Free Runner
Would she? The Titans have been virtually if not entirely wiped out, and given that the Vizier was the Lich and had control of the undead all along, I'm tempted to think that the Sceptre had nothing to do with it - he was just using the Sceptre as a cover to stop people from thinking too much on why else he might be able to control them.
Heck, even if there is an army of Titans around, the theory has been made that the Sceptre didn't control them either, but instead that Abaddon commanded the Titans to follow the Vizier's instructions. |
Gmr Leon
There are two theories regarding the Scepter of Orr and what allowed Khilbron to control Undead/Titans.
1) Abaddon said "follow the guy waving the stick" *as Khilbron didn't know the Titans would follow him* and the Undead only follow Khilbron because he was a lich. 2) The Undead followed Khilbron because he was a lich, but also the Scepter of Orr allows the weilder to control undead/spirits. And it is the controlling of spirits that allowed the controlling of Titans (as Titans are made from tortured spirits). I go with the latter, as that gives the Scepter of Orr more power for a powerful object (but the former would match with what we know of the Staff of the Mists better). |
Shadowmere
I would love this case to be linked to Dhuum/Menzies as well, and I'm not against you, just against how you theorize things. Also, how the HECK did you get from "Livia did it" to "Dhuum is behind it"...? |
Konig Des Todes
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draxynnic
There are two theories regarding the Scepter of Orr and what allowed Khilbron to control Undead/Titans.
1) Abaddon said "follow the guy waving the stick" *as Khilbron didn't know the Titans would follow him* and the Undead only follow Khilbron because he was a lich. 2) The Undead followed Khilbron because he was a lich, but also the Scepter of Orr allows the weilder to control undead/spirits. And it is the controlling of spirits that allowed the controlling of Titans (as Titans are made from tortured spirits). I go with the latter, as that gives the Scepter of Orr more power for a powerful object (but the former would match with what we know of the Staff of the Mists better). |
Shasgaliel
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