So I was in a pug getting ready to do a mission. I added my Dunkoro and some guy said to me Dunkoro is not as good of a healer as Tahlkora. I was like wtf are you talking about??
I told him they are both the same (given that both builds are exactly the same). He refused to believe me and continued going on about how Dunkoro will uses more prot skills while Tahlkora tends to use more heal skills. He even claimed that he tested this...
Now, I've been playing for over 3 years now and I've never once heard of such a thing!
Is this guy just retarded or did I miss an update?
Dunkoro V.S. Tahlkora
Frozen Bacon
nidy
I vote the first one. I have never witnessed this.
Zodiac Meteor
He was a noob and didn't know what he was talking about.
Accursed
The guy is just plain retarded, but when I played my Tahlkora tended to use her skills more wisely than Dunkoro would.
But maybe it's just in my head or ArenaNet did a secret update.
But maybe it's just in my head or ArenaNet did a secret update.
jiggles
Its BS, its just like when people say Olias is the best MM. He isnt really but people just say he is.
Frozen Bacon
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Its BS, its just like when people say Olias is the best MM. He isnt really but people just say he is.
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The only reason why I use my Livia as the MM is because I just think she looks hot with all those minions under her control.....kinda like how Angelina Jolie has all those Somalian kids under her control.....yeah.
the savage nornbear
Dunkoros cooler? My guild goes with Dunk or Ogden for the simple fact that Talkora is wicked annoying. Also, Livia is the healer silly goose.
ALF71BE
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Lol! Oh god...that is ridiculous.
The only reason why I use my Livia as the MM is because I just think she looks hot with all those minions under her control.....kinda like how Angelina Jolie has all those Somalian kids under her control.....yeah. |
And everyone knows Dunkoro sucks because he's old, forgets stuff and...
Umm...
Tyla
Tahlkora is hawt. *Votes Tahlkumn Powder*
Uh, I've found that the AI is practically the same.
Uh, I've found that the AI is practically the same.
Darcy
It doesn't matter whether it is true or not. Players' perceptions are what count.
If the group consensus is that Dunk is better than Tahlkora, the minute things go wrong it will be due to you bringing the wrong hero.
I have heard that Zed is a terrible ele, but that Sousuke knows what he is doing. Goren supposedly can only fight with a hammer. And the hero paragons are not nearly as good as the henchman para.
Then there is the theory that the more you use a hero, the better he/she is at using their skills. Those people feel there is a hero learning curve.
You can argue, but you are wasting your breath. If you want to join the PuG, give in gracefully and bring the hero they want.
If the group consensus is that Dunk is better than Tahlkora, the minute things go wrong it will be due to you bringing the wrong hero.
I have heard that Zed is a terrible ele, but that Sousuke knows what he is doing. Goren supposedly can only fight with a hammer. And the hero paragons are not nearly as good as the henchman para.
Then there is the theory that the more you use a hero, the better he/she is at using their skills. Those people feel there is a hero learning curve.
You can argue, but you are wasting your breath. If you want to join the PuG, give in gracefully and bring the hero they want.
ajc2123
I have a personal belief that hero's have the power to learn, to observe, and to turn against us in the future!
Oh wait...that's the plot to I robot....never mind.
However I do lean towards the belief that they CAN learn...Cuz im crazy like that.
Oh yea and @ Darcy.
I don't care how much proof anyone puts against it, Zhed is the 2nd worst AI (next to Alesia) there is. I think it's cuz hes a centaur....yea...I'm racist like that >_> Stupid four legs. Lol
Oh wait...that's the plot to I robot....never mind.
However I do lean towards the belief that they CAN learn...Cuz im crazy like that.
Oh yea and @ Darcy.
I don't care how much proof anyone puts against it, Zhed is the 2nd worst AI (next to Alesia) there is. I think it's cuz hes a centaur....yea...I'm racist like that >_> Stupid four legs. Lol
Quaker
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If you want to join the PuG, give in gracefully and bring the hero they want.
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zelgadissan
My Dunky and Talky are both hybrids - Dunky slightly more heal heavy, Talky slightly more prot heavy. If they had the same build, the only reason they should be different would be if they were set on different modes (one on Guard, the other on Avoid) or if they were runed differently.
BTW old geezers > snobby princesses
BTW old geezers > snobby princesses
komma
well i guess it just depends on what their atty points are set to....duh.
headpiece is usually thier primary imo.
headpiece is usually thier primary imo.
Rhamia Darigaz
all hero ai is exactly the same. the pug's an idiot, go figure.
i couldn't disagree more.
i couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by Darcy
It doesn't matter whether it is true or not. Players' perceptions are what count.
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You can argue, but you are wasting your breath. If you want to join the PuG, give in gracefully and bring the hero they want.
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ShadowsRequiem
tahlkora ftw.... dunkaroo is ugly, fat, and bald.
Hanging Man
I'd take dunk over tahlkora.
Although I know the AI is completely the same, but for some reason I always think hes doing a better job than tahlkora
weird
Although I know the AI is completely the same, but for some reason I always think hes doing a better job than tahlkora
weird
gremlin
Which is more likely
1 the programmers wrote separate Ai programs for the 3 healers 3 Necro's etc
or
2 they wrote one program made copies then varied the initial skills slightly.
1 the programmers wrote separate Ai programs for the 3 healers 3 Necro's etc
or
2 they wrote one program made copies then varied the initial skills slightly.
Kook~NBK~
I've got my Tahlkora set up for Prot & Dunkuro set up a heals. But that's personal preferance. If I switched their builds, runes, insiginas, and weapons there'd be no difference in performance.
xiaotsu
The idiots will always feel that whatever skills they have when you get them are from the attributes they use more efficiently.
Gotta love misguided thinking.
Gotta love misguided thinking.
Zomgyogi
I think Dunk was supposed to be heal and Tahlkora prot. If anyone noticed Tahlk gets prot skills, and weaps, when you first get her and Dunk gets heals. Go with that :P
Jade
It's funnny reading this post and seeing that a lot of people use their heroes the same way I do. I have no logical explaination for the role of any of my heroes. Take for instance when I used to run sabway with my necro toon. I'd always handle the SS build, I'd have MoW as the "healer" with the rit spells, and for no reason in particular, I'd use Olias as my mm. Honestly, I think for me it has more to do with the position on the drop down list than anything. When I do take a monk, I take Thalkora just because she's the first Monk on the drop down menu. 
pamelf
They share the same AI right? Just making sure...
I've never seen an appreciable difference between different characters and their skill usage.
That said, I tend to use my heroes with the attributes I acquired them with. I.e. Dunk is acquired as healer, and Tahlkora as prot, and that's sort of just the way I've kept them...Same with Olias.
I've never seen an appreciable difference between different characters and their skill usage.
That said, I tend to use my heroes with the attributes I acquired them with. I.e. Dunk is acquired as healer, and Tahlkora as prot, and that's sort of just the way I've kept them...Same with Olias.
cosyfiep
yeah I have the heroes set up for one thing...ducky heals, takehoror is prot (usually leave her behind cause cant handle the grunting), oggy is smiting, olias is mm, sosucky is fire, zhed water, goren hammer, etc....easier to just set them up once, copy the set up and click it when I get another hero on a new character....some of the other heroes I change like koss may be sword or ax depending on if I have the weapon in storage....etc
as to how they ai works....who knows....but I will switch heroes if its requested (and the group wished to wait on weapon/rune etc switching)....whatever
as to how they ai works....who knows....but I will switch heroes if its requested (and the group wished to wait on weapon/rune etc switching)....whatever
Shadowhaze
^Same here on the set up. And I also leave them set for one thing, unless a change is needed or if a certain char is required I'll probably change it.
As for the AI, I would assume they would all be running with the same thing, thus no difference. But I donno.
As for the AI, I would assume they would all be running with the same thing, thus no difference. But I donno.
glacialphoenix
Eh, I set up my Tahlky for prot and my Dunky for heal, so there's a difference for me. I usually don't take either because I play monk. Of the three necros my Livia is N/Rt healer, Olias SS, and MoW MM.
But when I set up Tahlky for heals once, I didn't really notice a difference.
But when I set up Tahlky for heals once, I didn't really notice a difference.
gerlin
Olias is mostly used as an MM because he's auto set-up as MM, tahlkora is prot and dunkoro healer. People often make the hero they get first as the job they need most. Olias is mostly the first necro people get and MM = autopilot for miss in NM. Dunkoro is the first Mo hero, and people need a potent healer. Etc.
JupiterStarWarrior
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You can argue, but you are wasting your breath. If you want to join the PuG, give in gracefully and bring the hero they want.
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Well, then they'll probably be like "ur a noob", and I'll just laugh at them.
The only exception to this rule, of course, is if a specific hero is needed for a specific mission in Nightfall.
Headchopperz
lol i let my heroes take it in turns to be with me xD
they get loney being on their own and it must be so boring
so i randomly switch everyso often xD
they get loney being on their own and it must be so boring
so i randomly switch everyso often xD
legacyofkain85
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I've got my Tahlkora set up for Prot & Dunkuro set up a heals. But that's personal preferance. If I switched their builds, runes, insiginas, and weapons there'd be no difference in performance.
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so imo monk heroes are good at making red bars go up but quite suck with prot ,bonus thing is that if u give the prot skills they will use them altho if not at the right moment.Best prot hero is imo ether renewal ele with prot spells ,go go prot spirit and spirit bond spamage,heroes excel at doing that
MagmaRed
I set my heroes the same for each character, that way I always know which one to load for what I need.
Monks:
Dunkoror = Heal
Tahlkora = Protect
Ogden = Smite
Warriors:
Koss = Axe
Jora = Sword
Goren = Hammer
Necros:
Olias = Blood
Master of Whispers = Curses
Livia = Death
Elementalis:
Acolyte Sousuke = Fire
Zhed Shadowhoof = Earth/Water
Vekk = Air
Mesmer:
Norgu = Domination
Gwen = Illusion
Ritualist:
Razah = Restoration
Xandra = Channeling
For Ranger, Dervish, Paragon, and Assassin, I change them to what I need. I rarely use them, and change based on what I am doing. Ranger I use a lot, but don't see a need to run one as a Trapper or Beast Master.
Monks:
Dunkoror = Heal
Tahlkora = Protect
Ogden = Smite
Warriors:
Koss = Axe
Jora = Sword
Goren = Hammer
Necros:
Olias = Blood
Master of Whispers = Curses
Livia = Death
Elementalis:
Acolyte Sousuke = Fire
Zhed Shadowhoof = Earth/Water
Vekk = Air
Mesmer:
Norgu = Domination
Gwen = Illusion
Ritualist:
Razah = Restoration
Xandra = Channeling
For Ranger, Dervish, Paragon, and Assassin, I change them to what I need. I rarely use them, and change based on what I am doing. Ranger I use a lot, but don't see a need to run one as a Trapper or Beast Master.
lemming
Tahlkora and Livia are better looking.
komma
better looking yes, but you never funk w dunk!
Damian979
That guy was absolutely right, just like Vekk is more proficient with earth magic because he lived underground and Jora is better with a hammer because she is taller and has more leverage.....
Winterclaw
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Which is more likely
1 the programmers wrote separate Ai programs for the 3 healers 3 Necro's etc or 2 they wrote one program made copies then varied the initial skills slightly. |
3. That all heroes have access to the same AI and any differences you see are because of pure chance.
Headchopperz
when a hero makes me annoyed i punish him by not using him lol
Fury Incarnate
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Originally Posted by Frozen Bacon
So I was in a pug getting ready to do a mission. I added my Dunkoro and some guy said to me Dunkoro is not as good of a healer as Tahlkora. I was like wtf are you talking about??
I told him they are both the same (given that both builds are exactly the same). He refused to believe me and continued going on about how Dunkoro will uses more prot skills while Tahlkora tends to use more heal skills. He even claimed that he tested this... Now, I've been playing for over 3 years now and I've never once heard of such a thing! Is this guy just retarded or did I miss an update? |
dilan155
its AI thats been coded the same, they have no personalities, so that said the only reason you would take one hero over the other is you like or dislike them for their models. like that one guy/girl likes livia for a mm cause she looks hot like that.
zelgadissan
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when a hero makes me annoyed i punish him by not using him lol
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Evil_Necro
I'll take Orgen anyday over dunkorokorokoro.. creepy old man..
Oh and abt Zhed vs other Heroes.. ZHED IS A JOKE! running around like crap for no reason, charging into battle alone when I was eating... If only there's just one more cooler, different ele heroes.. /sigh
Oh and abt Zhed vs other Heroes.. ZHED IS A JOKE! running around like crap for no reason, charging into battle alone when I was eating... If only there's just one more cooler, different ele heroes.. /sigh