After weeks of farming for Rubies and Sapphires and just getting Glittering Dust, I wonder why there isn't an Artisan who would craft a gem. Not make it too easy - alot of Dust (I sure have plenty), gold and whatever else.
I know that they can be acquired via the Vabbian Trade Official for Trade Contracts, but there are only so many of those to be had. Also, the price fluctuation on the gems at the Rare Material Trader is so varied by the time I get the required Platinum to buy a single one, the price has changed, and rarely are they cheaper.
Gems
Halimahdance
A11Eur0
farm hard mode elementals in old ascalon, they have a rather high gem drop rate. In a month of farming casually I think I had about 10 of each.
AKB48
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
farm hard mode elementals in old ascalon, they have a rather high gem drop rate. In a month of farming casually I think I had about 10 of each.
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Demonstar
The point of gems is they're supposed to be rare.
Ya know, like what ectos used to be.
Ya know, like what ectos used to be.
glacialphoenix
They're supposed to be rare, yes.
Also, you might be better off buying trade contracts.
Also, you might be better off buying trade contracts.
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by AKB48
yeah....in a month u get 20 gems.....gg w/ that
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You gotta pay to play. Vabbian is the second most expensive armor set in the game. keep it that way.
And you can get lucky sometimes spamming kodash WTB'ing trade contracts for 100 a piece like the other quartermaster tokens...700g for a ruby ftw.
Halimahdance
I didn't realize about the HM drops. HM is still new to me - only a few days. I will try that suggestion.
I know the whole point of gems is the rarity - which is what makes it fun. I need to beat my head on the keyboard a bit less. Dust after all = $$$ which eventually = gems.
Thanks all!
I know the whole point of gems is the rarity - which is what makes it fun. I need to beat my head on the keyboard a bit less. Dust after all = $$$ which eventually = gems.
Thanks all!
MithranArkanere
There are actually three types of materials:
- Common Raw materials.
- Crafted materials. (Empty Flasks, Ink, Coal, etc...)
- Rare raw materials.
Gemstones are rare materials. You can't craft a gem or a monster eye.
So, the only thing that should be done is note the materials that can be crafted with a different description.
- Common Raw materials.
- Crafted materials. (Empty Flasks, Ink, Coal, etc...)
- Rare raw materials.
Gemstones are rare materials. You can't craft a gem or a monster eye.
So, the only thing that should be done is note the materials that can be crafted with a different description.
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
There are actually three types of materials:
- Common Raw materials. - Crafted materials. (Empty Flasks, Ink, Coal, etc...) - Rare raw materials. Gemstones are rare materials. You can't craft a gem or a monster eye. So, the only thing that should be done is note the materials that can be crafted with a different description. |
MithranArkanere
Actually, ALL craftable materials will also can also drop, be salvaged or both.
I'm not telling those can be only crafted. I'm telling that the rest can't be crafted.
The only thing wrong was the word I used. I meant 'craftable', not 'crafted'.
The items that can be crafted are:
Hm... since all cratable materials are rare materials, cou could say the types are:
I'm not telling those can be only crafted. I'm telling that the rest can't be crafted.
The only thing wrong was the word I used. I meant 'craftable', not 'crafted'.
The items that can be crafted are:
- Bolt of Damask
- Bolt of Linen
- Bolt of Silk
- Deldrimor Steel Ingot
- Elonian Leather Square
- Leather Square
- Lump of Charcoal
- Roll of Parchment
- Roll of Vellum
- Spiritwood Plank
- Steel Ingot
- Tempered Glass Vial
- Vial of Ink
Hm... since all cratable materials are rare materials, cou could say the types are:
- Common materials. Can be salvaged with both Salvage Kits and Expert Salvage Kits.
- Rare Materials. Can be salvaged only with Expert Salvage Kits.
- Craftable Materials. Can be crafted in Artisans.
- Raw materials. Can't be crafted in Artisans.
A11Eur0
What can you salvage deld. steel and damask from? I'm curious.
MithranArkanere
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What can you salvage deld. steel and damask from? I'm curious.
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But they can be actually salvaged.
Raul the Rampant
I can't say for certain as I've never done it, but I'd be willing to bet that it would be possible to salvage d. steel and damask from armor that was crafted using those materials. The chance of this happening would probably be tiny and you wouldn't get very many...
Although if that was the case you'd be able to theoretically salvage eyes and claws and anything else from armor created using them.
Edit: Beat me to it.^^
Although if that was the case you'd be able to theoretically salvage eyes and claws and anything else from armor created using them.
Edit: Beat me to it.^^
MithranArkanere
Yet those can't be crafted.
See my point?
See my point?
A11Eur0
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From items previously made out of them, if you are lucky enough, XD.
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salvaging those materials from something you made using those materials is a given. Ecto and Shards are another couple of mats that fall into this category. But the thread is calling for either crafters, or a higher rate of salvage from monster drops, I.E. Farming. There are materials that cannot be obtained by salvaging monster drops. Saying you can salvage them from something CRAFTED using those materials is ridiculous...of course you can, but that's not exactly helpful for farmers is it? Hey, I'm going to make a vabbian cuirass and salvage it, maybe I'll get a couple RUBIES!!!! Yeah...that works wonders.
MithranArkanere
All materials can be obtained.
Some mostly by crafting, some mostly by drops and some mostly by salvaging.
But you can't just craft all, or just buy them from a merchant.
Rubies CAN be salvaged from jeweled daggers.
Jade and Amber CAN be salvaged from Jade and Amber weapons.
The chance is awesomely low, but there is a chance.
Any material you can't usually obtain by salvaging or by crafting, can be crafter or bought directly in the Material Trader when there is supply.
You can't just make all rare materials craftable.
Some mostly by crafting, some mostly by drops and some mostly by salvaging.
But you can't just craft all, or just buy them from a merchant.
Rubies CAN be salvaged from jeweled daggers.
Jade and Amber CAN be salvaged from Jade and Amber weapons.
The chance is awesomely low, but there is a chance.
Any material you can't usually obtain by salvaging or by crafting, can be crafter or bought directly in the Material Trader when there is supply.
You can't just make all rare materials craftable.
MagmaRed
Some materials cannot be obtained outside of crafting them. Yes, I know you can salvage Deldrimor Steel from an armor set that used them to craft it. However, where did you get the Deldrimor Steel to craft the armor you are salvaging for it?
No monster drops Deldrimor Steel as loot.
No items that monsters drop as loot can be salvaged into Deldrimor Steel.
Damask, Elonian Leather, and Vellum are also in that list, and I think the only ones. All other materials can be found as loot dropped from a monster, or can be salvaged from loot dropped by a monster.
No monster drops Deldrimor Steel as loot.
No items that monsters drop as loot can be salvaged into Deldrimor Steel.
Damask, Elonian Leather, and Vellum are also in that list, and I think the only ones. All other materials can be found as loot dropped from a monster, or can be salvaged from loot dropped by a monster.
AKB48
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Keeps the prices up for the rest of us who farm them as well.
You gotta pay to play. Vabbian is the second most expensive armor set in the game. keep it that way. And you can get lucky sometimes spamming kodash WTB'ing trade contracts for 100 a piece like the other quartermaster tokens...700g for a ruby ftw. |
Raul the Rampant
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No monster drops Deldrimor Steel as loot.
No items that monsters drop as loot can be salvaged into Deldrimor Steel. Damask, Elonian Leather, and Vellum are also in that list, and I think the only ones. All other materials can be found as loot dropped from a monster, or can be salvaged from loot dropped by a monster. |
But I think MithranArkanere is right in that not all rare materials should be craftable; having the ability to craft eyes, claws and fangs just isn't logical given their nature. As for gems, I guess that between the asurans and dwarves that somehow they could cook something up for crafting these. It would probably be quite expensive, though, and I would be willing to bet they'd end up like charcoal in that it's more expensive to craft it than it is to just buy it from a trader anyway. In the end it could be justified, but I really don't see the need for it.
Hyper.nl
Ehm, are you supposed to farm rubies and sapphires? I think you can get them far more easily with trade contracts (Nightfall quests) or buy them from the trader. (Farm gold, buy gems)
/notsigned to craft them, that would disturb the market too much.
/notsigned to craft them, that would disturb the market too much.
Nick Of Troy
/signed for emeralds to become crafting items. I know this has nothing to do with the discussion, but the thread is on gems and i want them!
Shasgaliel
I think the value of gems comes from their rarity. I am against possibility of crafting them. You can already salvage them from some items, djinn essences and they drop once a while (I got some from HM elementals and some from FOW monsters).
HayesA
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
farm hard mode elementals in old ascalon, they have a rather high gem drop rate. In a month of farming casually I think I had about 10 of each.
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BrettM
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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl
Ehm, are you supposed to farm rubies and sapphires? I think you can get them far more easily with trade contracts (Nightfall quests) or buy them from the trader. (Farm gold, buy gems)
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Raul the Rampant
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Originally Posted by BrettM
If everyone only farmed gold and bought gems, the trader would soon have no gems available at any price.
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Sir Pandra Pierva
hmm an interesting idea but not terribly needed just save up and buy em or get em from the trader for contracts
Skyy High
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Somebody had better be farming gems, since traders only sell what they buy from players. If everyone only farmed gold and bought gems, the trader would soon have no gems available at any price.
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A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Trade. Contracts. Why people are bothering to farm gems, I can't imagine.
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They also drop occasionally from hidden treasures in dungeons, random drops from EVERYTHING..(as above some places have higher drop rates than others, such as FoW and UW, another source for my gems)....
They're not as rare as ecto, but you can farm ecto, you can't farm gems specifically because they're just a rare chance of dropping from anything.
You can also farm geodes, ruby/sapphire djinn essences, ruby maul/dagger, jeweled daggers. Farm vabbi...why do you think Vabbian armor uses gems anyway?
AKB48
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7 contracts per gem, limited amount of quests that give trade contracts....you can get what, 5 gems per character from farming quests? Buying from players is a good idea but most know the value of them and it's not economically feasible.
They also drop occasionally from hidden treasures in dungeons, random drops from EVERYTHING..(as above some places have higher drop rates than others, such as FoW and UW, another source for my gems).... They're not as rare as ecto, but you can farm ecto, you can't farm gems specifically because they're just a rare chance of dropping from anything. You can also farm geodes, ruby/sapphire djinn essences, ruby maul/dagger, jeweled daggers. Farm vabbi...why do you think Vabbian armor uses gems anyway? |
But A11, if Vabbian doesn't use gems as a rare material, then what material do you propose? Ectos had been taken and the rest is relatively cheap to get.(not including gems, never bother to hoard them)
Raul the Rampant
Why does everything have to be directly farmable? Last I checked almost anything can drop gold or merchant food... if you spend time farming areas with above average gem drop rates (or anywhere) you'll make enough gold to buy several of them from the trader (or someone selling) in the time it takes to see one drop directly. You might even get something else valuable along the way. Farming gold is really just 2 or 3 mouse clicks removed from farming [insert item of choice]. Is it really that much of a hassle especially now that these items cost only a fraction of what they once did?