im not survive in EOTN

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i'm always dieingg
thats crazy me i tried like 10 builds and im always die.
all my guild members said EOTN is easy ><

there is any build i can survive with him in EOTN X:

thats what im using now
OwBj0xez4SCQDfHMNM6P1gDQEgA

thanks for help

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[mm;OwBj0xez4SCQDfHMNM6P1gDQEgA]

ye, anything but that rly
i'd go a critscythe assa

The Cutlass

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Join Date: Mar 2008

P/W

are you sure youre using heroes and henchies?

Moloch Vein

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Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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Worst English on this forum for quite a while. Here's your cookie.

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ya we are 2 peoples with 6 heroes

with protections/healing build
and elementalists earth and fire
X:

and im sry about my english

GWEXTREEMFAN

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Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

in my house

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W/E

just a tip...

[golden phoenix strike][critical strike][moebius strike][death blossom][critical defenses] [critical agility][mystic regeneration] [way of perfection]

use it like this
and may i ask how does your party look like?

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u wanna see my heroes builds?

jiggles

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would be usefull

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Denmark

Scions Of Carver[SCAR]

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Do you do the punchout, or do you play the storyline?

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my first monk

OwUUMmG/SYObkf3m+u+RMBxV0IA

my second monk

OwYS8YIOFkZiAZicXDIID0I

and my elementalist

OgBCkMzDrwVgMYa7weIsIVA

Turbobusa

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By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

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[build=OwUUMmG/SYObkf3m+u+RMBxV0IA]
[build=OwYS8YIOFkZiAZicXDIID0I]
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First build ain't too bad, second one is where you have troubles imo.
Shield of regen isn't that great, I'd take restore condition, which might even free up a slot on the healer's boon monk bar, for cure hex for exemple. Heroes are great with it.
[build prof=Mo/e prot=12+1+1 heal=10+1 divine=8+1][Restore Condition][patient spirit][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][gole][cure hex][heaven's delight][/build]
(I don't like guardian in PvE but you can keep it and replace heaven's delight

On the ele build i'd replace stone daggers and aftershock, maybe ash blast too. Eruption would be a good spell to bring, you may consider ward against elements too.

[build prof=E/N earth=12+1+1 curse=8 energystorage=10][unsteady ground][eruption][churning earth][gole][earth attunement][Ward against melee][glowstone][enfeebling blood][/build]
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thanks a lot

gremlin

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Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

Dying a lot or surviving depends to on experience.
I don't know how much experience you have at GW just that your new to eye.
Some people have played for 3 years which gets you a lot of inbuilt survivability.

Basic principles
Know your enemy sort out principle targets before attacking, I take out their healers then any spellcasters causing you trouble then finish off the grunts.
Watch patrol patterns of mobs don't fight too many.
Use a bow to pull a few at a time, keep the party well back and use a bowman to pull a few at a time,
Fire retreat fire retreat is pulling.
Call the target so your both attacking the same one otherwise your 2 parties of 4 not a party of 8.

I still depend a lot on a decent meat shield of 1 or 2 warrior types with a hero running a mm build.

Its a lot like ancient warfare find the enemy fix the enemy destroy the enemy.
When the mob has a single target in agro range they all go for him then the necro minions close in and finally the spellcasters cause havoc, you do get scatter but the damage is usually done.

I also find a good defensive spellcaster is usefull, either a couple of elemental wards against foes elements etc can be invaluable as can the necro equivalents created from corpses.

The Mad Addict

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Join Date: Jun 2008

Bangladesh

[SOUL]

W/D

Are you doing the dungeons towards the end of EoTN or are you just doing the beginning quests because the dungeons are pretty tough w/o a competent group.

legacyofkain85

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enable
i'm always dieingg
thats crazy me i tried like 10 builds and im always die.
all my guild members said EOTN is easy ><

there is any build i can survive with him in EOTN X:

thats what im using now
OwBj0xez4SCQDfHMNM6P1gDQEgA

thanks for help it is easy ,henchman have the best builds in eotn compared to other campaigns,also study the area u are in,the mobs and what uilds they use,i mean for example ofc u would fail if u go with 3 searing flames eles against destroyers,also u should check this build,its one of mi most favorite builds ,i alter it all the time

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10292641

liutpry

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Italy

LOTF

Mo/

in my opinion you better drop channelling (with only 3 inspiration btw) from your healer's bar, because heroes have the tendance to go ahead and stand in the middle of the fight to make it work as good as it can. Unfortunatley, this will probably lead your healers to die very fast. What i can suggest you to do (if you want to have a couple of monks as backline) is to use:

[build=OwUTMwGD1ZjoR+eXkuIRoHgGBA]
[build=OwUUMwm8YoOUk6xddlEQW+ZA0IA]

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Channeling is a pretty weak skill outside of HA.

Heal Party is also bad on a hero because they have the habit of using it as a single-target heal.

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][dismiss condition][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[restore condition][guardian][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][remove hex][divine healing][glyph of lesser energy]

+ The Earth bar Turbo posted.

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Originally Posted by GWEXTREEMFAN
just a tip...

[golden phoenix strike][critical strike][moebius strike][death blossom][critical defenses] [critical agility][mystic regeneration] [way of perfection]

use it like this
and may i ask how does your party look like? Bad build is bad.

You've got Critical Defenses, Mystic Regeneration and Way of Perfection. The only selfish defense skill you should bring on a 'Sin is Critical Defenses, and even then I won't run it in an 8 man enviroment, Way of Perfection needs you to spec into an extremely weak skill line, shortening the possible attributes, for the spec in Mystic Regeneration you're best off running Healing Breeze. Not to mention you already get an armour buff through Critical Agility as an add-on with the IAS.

[critical agility][golden fox strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][brawling headbutt]["save yourselves!"][no skill]

If you don't have access to "Save Yourselves!", run Asuran Scan or something. If you want more defense, run Critical Defenses.

legacyofkain85

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

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Originally Posted by liutpry
in my opinion you better drop channelling (with only 3 inspiration btw) from your healer's bar, because heroes have the tendance to go ahead and stand in the middle of the fight to make it work as good as it can. Unfortunatley, this will probably lead your healers to die very fast. What i can suggest you to do (if you want to have a couple of monks as backline) is to use:

[build=OwUTMwGD1ZjoR+eXkuIRoHgGBA]
[build=OwUUMwm8YoOUk6xddlEQW+ZA0IA] rs is a Great skill but on a hero bar it wil lead to rc spamage thus making him not focus on the other skills on his bar ,not to mention fast energy burn,i stoped using monk heroes a long time ago ,unless i need a specific build for an area or i need to micro prot on a target,i alaways take Mhenlo and Lina
and use [Blood Is Power]on a hero ,if i cant have that i use[Blood Ritual] and if u dont want a necro hero ,take Eve she has blood ritual and will hapilyspam it on he 2 monk henchman,for heroes take dmg dealers and support for the team

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Originally Posted by The Mad Addict
Are you doing the dungeons towards the end of EoTN or are you just doing the beginning quests because the dungeons are pretty tough w/o a competent group. i just started with EOTN

i have proph factions and NF
and i finished factions only XD

im trying to finish NF and EOTN


and thanks for all the response

liutpry

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Italy

LOTF

Mo/

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
rs is a Great skill but on a hero bar it wil lead to rc spamage thus making him not focus on the other skills on his bar ,not to mention fast energy burn,i stoped using monk heroes a long time ago ,unless i need a specific build for an area or i need to micro prot on a target,i alaways take Mhenlo and Lina
and use [Blood Is Power]on a hero ,if i cant have that i use[Blood Ritual] and if u dont want a necro hero ,take Eve she has blood ritual and will hapilyspam it on he 2 monk henchman,for heroes take dmg dealers and support for the team you didnt get the point, the RC build is made to have non-spammable skills along with RCspam (that is not bad for itself) and non-spammable self energy management ability.

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ya i think ill use restore condition
becuase the mobs always makes me blind

petrorabbit

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If you're having trouble with conditions, The build Tyla posted is solid, just add [Assassin's Remedy]. In case you are unfamiliar with how it works, it will remove a condition when you activate an attack skill, so blind will be removed before you attack.

One thing that will help a lot is dump one hero monk (you can always use a henchie monk) for an MM. MM's will provide more targets to soak up damage. Personally, I used an MM with [Blood is Power] so he plays the role of MM + battery.

At least it'll be useful till you can do Sabway, aka triple necro vanquish.

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Stockholm, Sweden

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Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
i stoped using monk heroes a long time ago ,unless i need a specific build for an area or i need to micro prot on a target,i alaways take Mhenlo and Lina
and use [Blood Is Power]on a hero ,if i cant have that i use[Blood Ritual] and if u dont want a necro hero ,take Eve she has blood ritual and will hapilyspam it on he 2 monk henchman,for heroes take dmg dealers and support for the team why would OP take hench healers when he's running with 2 people and 6 heroes?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Channeling is a pretty weak skill outside of HA.

Heal Party is also bad on a hero because they have the habit of using it as a single-target heal.

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][dismiss condition][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[restore condition][guardian][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][remove hex][divine healing][glyph of lesser energy]

+ The Earth bar Turbo posted.



Bad build is bad.

You've got Critical Defenses, Mystic Regeneration and Way of Perfection. The only selfish defense skill you should bring on a 'Sin is Critical Defenses, and even then I won't run it in an 8 man enviroment, Way of Perfection needs you to spec into an extremely weak skill line, shortening the possible attributes, for the spec in Mystic Regeneration you're best off running Healing Breeze. Not to mention you already get an armour buff through Critical Agility as an add-on with the IAS.

[critical agility][golden fox strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][brawling headbutt]["save yourselves!"][no skill]

If you don't have access to "Save Yourselves!", run Asuran Scan or something. If you want more defense, run Critical Defenses. about the assassin build u gave me

i have only save your self

and now i have 2 free slots
what ill put there?

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Brawling Heatbutt is easily obtained by completing the first Brawling quest in Gunnar's Hold. It should take 5 minutes at most.

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Originally Posted by Tyla
Brawling Heatbutt is easily obtained by completing the first Brawling quest in Gunnar's Hold. It should take 5 minutes at most. i dont have to get any rank for Brawling Heatbutt ?

and i have one more slot X:

what ill put there?



thanks

Spiritz

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Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

Way i do things and is similar to whats been suggested already - any new area i will check out and test with different builds for several runs , each time you die you may learn something - also you can setup a monk with a bonding skill - judges insight ( cant remember if correct ) is a good one that gives the bonded person extra melee dmg. Always with heros have several builds especially the monk heros as ppl will agree ... X build may work one place but will suck somewhere else.

Would also suggest check out the sabway and discordway builds for heros and as your in 6 hero team you can share the necros - 2 good team builds for different circumstances which worked for me thru eotn.
And lastly - never give up ... even the ppl who say xxxx is easy have struggled at some stage and wont admit it ( sorry guys/girls but we all kno its true )

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiritz
Way i do things and is similar to whats been suggested already - any new area i will check out and test with different builds for several runs , each time you die you may learn something - also you can setup a monk with a bonding skill - judges insight ( cant remember if correct ) is a good one that gives the bonded person extra melee dmg. Always with heros have several builds especially the monk heros as ppl will agree ... X build may work one place but will suck somewhere else.

Would also suggest check out the sabway and discordway builds for heros and as your in 6 hero team you can share the necros - 2 good team builds for different circumstances which worked for me thru eotn.
And lastly - never give up ... even the ppl who say xxxx is easy have struggled at some stage and wont admit it ( sorry guys/girls but we all kno its true ) your right thanks ^^

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla
Channeling is a pretty weak skill outside of HA.

Heal Party is also bad on a hero because they have the habit of using it as a single-target heal.

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][dismiss condition][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[restore condition][guardian][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][remove hex][divine healing][glyph of lesser energy]

+ The Earth bar Turbo posted.



Bad build is bad.

You've got Critical Defenses, Mystic Regeneration and Way of Perfection. The only selfish defense skill you should bring on a 'Sin is Critical Defenses, and even then I won't run it in an 8 man enviroment, Way of Perfection needs you to spec into an extremely weak skill line, shortening the possible attributes, for the spec in Mystic Regeneration you're best off running Healing Breeze. Not to mention you already get an armour buff through Critical Agility as an add-on with the IAS.

[critical agility][golden fox strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][brawling headbutt]["save yourselves!"][no skill]

If you don't have access to "Save Yourselves!", run Asuran Scan or something. If you want more defense, run Critical Defenses. btw

the monk build that u gave me

i dont see there any ress X:

i dont need one?

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Monk bars are kinda weak with res. Moreso with heroes.

In most of PvE, there will be a res shrine so it'll be better to wipe than to have your Monk Rebirth everyone simply because it's incredibly timewasting, and if you are constantly failing it without DP, or from 15%, you should completely rethink how you're allocating your defenses. Mid-battle res skills would be better for this purpose, and a mid-battle res is a bad idea on a Monk because said Monk will not be doing their job if they are ressing mid-battle. Ressing mid-battle on a Monk would cause more problems than it would solve problems.

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ok thanks............................................ ..


(at least 12 characters ><)

petrorabbit

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Join Date: Oct 2007

I agree that rezzing mid-combat isn't a very good idea.

But I do think it wouldn't hurt to have 1 or 2 rezzes in the group, whether brought by a monk or other party members. Sometimes a party member can get killed during combat. Rezing a dead party member post battle to keep your party full is better than proceeding one person short IMO.

Even if you do bring a rez, just make sure its turned off, and you can activate it post-battle to keep your group closer to full strength

Destro Maniak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

A/

dude take:
1 healer hero
and 2 monk hench

you wont die unless hardcore
on hardcore you may die

Turbobusa

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By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

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I recommend focussing on killing and taking some skills to negate damage on each char ([enfeebling blood] is the perfect exemple of a good use of one's secondary taht will benefit your team at low cost on your build).
Remember: what's dead does not harm you.

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Join Date: May 2008

Volterra, Italy

A/

Asuran scan anyone...? That plus a fast atk sin chain is pure ownage...even with weakness on me(my monk was being retarded and not removing) with the scan I hit about 40 or even 50 per hit....Add that to Tyla's build you should be good.

fireflyry

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

As others have said EotN is 99% condition and hex spam.

Adapt your builds to be a little more removal focused and you should be fine.I just add hex removal to one of my heroes and slot [assassin's remedy] in certain areas or alternately slot [foul feast] + [plague sending] on a Necro which works a treat in EotN.Tyla's monk bars look great although personally I prefer exploiting the spammable heals/removal/mitigation Necros and N/Rits provide thanks to soul reaping.

I also can't imagine any Sin not rolling [splinter weapon] on at least one hero.

Other than that if your H/Hing a lot, and don't already, a little micro by the way of hotkeys goes a long way towards keeping you alive especially in getting your prots and removal targeted correctly.Heroes often prioritize key skills badly and hotkeying a few key hero skills in conjunction with self-targeting can make the game a lot easier, especially if your rolling three caster heroes as I imagine you'll be soaking up a fair bit of the initial aggro and spikes.

Having skills like [protective spirit] and [remove hex] a key press away helps hugely.

[save yourselves!] is a no-brainer if you can get it.

Good luck.

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ALF71BE

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

In your fridge, stealing your pickles. for mah subway

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enable
about the assassin build u gave me

i have only save your self

and now i have 2 free slots
what ill put there? [resurrection signet]

I'd reccommend more N/Rt | N/mo to do the healing tbh...

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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Originally Posted by fireflyry
Tyla's monk bars look great although personally I prefer exploiting the spammable heals/removal/mitigation Necros and N/Rits provide thanks to soul reaping. I agree. Monk heroes are [email protected]

One you can use Necro heroes, I highly recommend Sab / Discordway.

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ok thanks

wan ill get my necro hero i reply