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Originally Posted by joshuarodger
i like to see pretty yellow or blue numbers, depending on the class i'm playing at the time. standing in one spot, not doing anything is not fun.
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Tanks and GW/GW2
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Originally Posted by ajc2123
I realized and have accepted the fact that Tanks are kinda.....bleck....for Guild wars. I find that this is due to the lack of skills that increase a threat or danger level of mobs and also...Warriors are better at damage anyways. And I do not mean tanking by using corners or skills like SY that will probably make you a target. I mean PURE gain this targets attention skills.
But I want to ask you, the players of Guild wars. Do you WANT a Tanking Role in this game or the next? Personally I love playing the role (In other mmo's) where I absorb all the damage and use skills that attract mobs by increasing their threat, danger, or an invisible meter that decides what the monster should attack. It makes me feel like I am helping the rest of the party out more by surviving and not having to heal others since...I don't like to play the Full support role. I hope this kind of a role is added into GW2. While I realize they are doing away with Support players, they can't TOTALLY remove it. What do we have left? Just a bunch of different kind of damage dealers? I would propose an effect where if you are soloing, you can do more damage, while in a party your more set up to take damage and attract aggro. Just like monks in the future GW2 should have GOOD smiting skills in Solo play but be able to play support in a party where needed. Do you players like Tank roles or do you not even care to see this addition into the game? |
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Originally Posted by ntherblast
If they add this the guild wars players will go nuts because it is something from WoW and we all know how much guild wars players hate WoW....
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Also, the tanking system is one of the few things WoW does right, makes warriors fun and challenging to play.
I don't think he's suggesting we add it back to GW1. The game's gameplay mechanics just don't allow for that style of play.
What he's saying is, if you are designing a whole new game (ie, GW2) would you want a system like this in play (keeping in mind that all the skills and aggro system and the combat system would be designed around working with said system of aggro management)?
Now, my answer to that is still no. But at least answer the question he is asking people instead of saying "no don't put this in GW1."
What he's saying is, if you are designing a whole new game (ie, GW2) would you want a system like this in play (keeping in mind that all the skills and aggro system and the combat system would be designed around working with said system of aggro management)?
Now, my answer to that is still no. But at least answer the question he is asking people instead of saying "no don't put this in GW1."
In WoW and CoH tanking are both the roles I love, in fact in WoW both my pala and druid are tanks. It's the best role there is in a group, it's involving, very important and darn cool. If you're not doing your job the rest of the group goes down, you're the only person who can take the damage and not die.
I feel this is one of the bigger problems in GW, the combat system just doesn't contain well defined roles: there's healers: monks and rits, and support chars like warders, paras and prot monks. Everyone else is just another sort of damage dealer, one it makes finding a group difficult without a clear leader stepping forward and saying 'I want a ranger' and two it is boring. I play earth elementalist before it's the closest thing GW has got to a tank, I can take the damage and get all those most powerful spells a mobs's got out of the way on me before my crazy H/H run in and attack.
If GW2 doesn't bring tanks it will still have the same problems as GW1. All combat only has three solutions: nuke the group before they kill us, prot ourselves up and hope they can't kill us, snare/blind/daze the group and kill them afterward. These tactics arn't clever they're just blanket tactics. GW needs CC or at least tanks (the human form of CC) to create roles and tactics in gameplay.
At the moment GW is just, disable-nuke, out-prot or NUKE! and that's it.
I feel this is one of the bigger problems in GW, the combat system just doesn't contain well defined roles: there's healers: monks and rits, and support chars like warders, paras and prot monks. Everyone else is just another sort of damage dealer, one it makes finding a group difficult without a clear leader stepping forward and saying 'I want a ranger' and two it is boring. I play earth elementalist before it's the closest thing GW has got to a tank, I can take the damage and get all those most powerful spells a mobs's got out of the way on me before my crazy H/H run in and attack.
If GW2 doesn't bring tanks it will still have the same problems as GW1. All combat only has three solutions: nuke the group before they kill us, prot ourselves up and hope they can't kill us, snare/blind/daze the group and kill them afterward. These tactics arn't clever they're just blanket tactics. GW needs CC or at least tanks (the human form of CC) to create roles and tactics in gameplay.
At the moment GW is just, disable-nuke, out-prot or NUKE! and that's it.
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Originally Posted by Shadow
I think that the enemy AI should target the weakest units. It makes the game more challenging and fun when your back lines are being ravaged and you can't do anything about it.
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Opponents should act intelligent. Enemies are of no use if they are puppets lead around strings the player controls with aggro management skills. It might be fun if the players were able to pull one string here and there, but not all at once the way it is done in other MMOs or by Obsidian tanks these days.
"Feign Death" and "Hide" were good skills in the BMP, because they were defensive aggro management skills. The real problem is with offensive aggro management, because it is good for one thing only: farming. Offensive aggro management also tries to minimize the risk to zero. But once the risk is gone, the suspense is gone and without suspense the game will quickly turn boring and little more than tedious.
Compare CryWay (or ANY other tanking build) to former Ursan. Sure Ursan was very hack & slash like, but at least people were moving. The robotic execution of the trinity builds has nothing to do with skill. If a bot or a script can play the game, then the game is too dumb. Offensive aggro management does that to every game, that's why it is bad.
"Feign Death" and "Hide" were good skills in the BMP, because they were defensive aggro management skills. The real problem is with offensive aggro management, because it is good for one thing only: farming. Offensive aggro management also tries to minimize the risk to zero. But once the risk is gone, the suspense is gone and without suspense the game will quickly turn boring and little more than tedious.
Compare CryWay (or ANY other tanking build) to former Ursan. Sure Ursan was very hack & slash like, but at least people were moving. The robotic execution of the trinity builds has nothing to do with skill. If a bot or a script can play the game, then the game is too dumb. Offensive aggro management does that to every game, that's why it is bad.
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
No, just no. I want monsters that are more intelligent than in GW, not less. Also, if PvP is an integral feature of the game and not a mere afterthought, 'threat management skills' don't make any sense.
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Skills that just 'magically' help draw aggro, because they say so, are a big no-no for me.
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Originally Posted by Gli
Skills like: "If target attacks or targets anyone other than you with a spell, your attacks to target deal +X damage" could make sense
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Could live with that, if for no other reason than the humour value
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Warriors have frenzy to attract aggro in PvP.
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The difference between GW and all other MMOs that prevents tanking from being needed is...
Protection prayers.
The healers in GW do a lot more then make red bars go up. Prot makes the need for a tank character non-existant (since they make melee training ineffective and can protect any character who gets aggro). For GW2 to have tanks, monks would have to be weakened considerabley.
Protection prayers.
The healers in GW do a lot more then make red bars go up. Prot makes the need for a tank character non-existant (since they make melee training ineffective and can protect any character who gets aggro). For GW2 to have tanks, monks would have to be weakened considerabley.