some help with vanq'n

alf, i've said it many many many times before and i really don't feel like saying it again (for my reasons on disliking "sabway", ect). if you REALLY ARE THAT motivated/interested as to "why" then just go through my posts and find it. anyways, have fun with it. i'm off to bed, work in 4 hours. ~ciao


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I guess I usually just run the sabway while I'm running the minion bomber and I have a domination mesmer for interrupts and stuff. Honestly, creating your own build for heroes isn't really much to be proud of, just use what's easy. Sabway is one of the best for h/h, but real pugs or guildies can be much better.

Don't feel like reading your ~600 posts, thanks for the invitation though.

Neither Sabway nor Discordway are "bad" as you said. Not because you dislike something it means it's bad. They're pretty solid and synergized builds (sp?), and I often find myself running the MM from Sab or the Orders derv from Racthoh more often than not.

I don't know how you feel, but I don't lose my identity (as implied by your emphasis on "ME") for just running what works nicely and gets the job done. Let him try the builds, if he really dislikes them then he can make his own and come back to us with his awesome builds.

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i h/h'd every zone to legendary vanquisher isnt that hard or annoying tbh

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Catch runs with others in your alliance.

I don't mean the atypical GW definition of "run" but there is usually at least a handful of people in my alliance working through the vanq titles at any one time.

It's pretty cyclic in most active guilds atm, ours has a vanq every night at a certain time for example.If your alliance is'nt that active maybe look for another, even if it's just while you vanq.

If you can hook up with someone or a group who plays around the same time as you do and is currently working through them they can be much easier when you all decide to progress together at stable times on a regular basis.Being able to create synergy team builds with other players and heroes makes vanqing ten times easier and faster.

Henchies are really the slow boat to vanqing.

Also the Sabway template is a great way to assist in easily getting through most of your vanqing.Soul reaping is mightily powerful in HM so ignore the haters as few have actual justification to criticize the mechanics of triple necro hero builds outside of arguing for originality over actual effectiveness, ease of use and speed.

Pretty obvious which most of us prefer.

Good luck to you.

I got only one advice for you: learn to block the enemies on a corner and you'll vanquish almost anything with heroes/henchmen.

micro prots/weapon spells etc on yourself before you agro... seriously lol i get too hasty sometimes on my sin and get spiked instantly ~

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what are the advantages of discway over sabway? is one faster than the other or better at bosses? are they good together? that is, if one person takes sabway and the other takes discway?

Discordway is IMO faster than Sabway at taking down mobs, but it allows less flexibility when it comes down to the skills used, both by you and your heroes.

I would be afraid of you not having enough prots if one person runs one and the other the other one. IMO too, Jagged Bones is very well used by heroes so I would at least have 1 dedicated Jagged MM if running with 6 heros, 4 discord guys and a dedicated protter (perhaps it's just I'm too used to using one E/Mo).

or you could just join a HM guild and have some people with brains to help you out.

There are cheaper ways to deal with death penalty (DP) than using powerstones or 4-clovers and the like.

Try to take out any bosses or difficult mobs first and "safe" some "easy" mobs to get rid of DP that you might have acumulated in between. Usually you get rid of DP really fast by taking on easy targets.

If you get beaten up by a group including a nasty boss and collected too much DP, don't go back again and again to the same group but get rid of your DP on easy targets first.

This tactic saves you a lot of money on powerstones and the like and also means you can do most areas without powerstones.

I personally run an ele with Armour of Earth to absorb initial damage in areas of groups where enchantment removal isn't much of a threat. For heroes, I run a modified Sabway. The heroes are equiped with "bombing" skills: Rising Bile, Putrid Bile, Death Nova, Icy Veins, and EoE (run the MM as N/R). Disable EoE when fighting enemy humans

If going with a friend, then get another MM (one of you can drop BotM), a prot and a mesmer, or if you're concerned about healing, a healer.

Good luck!

My guildie and i have finished GWEN, Proph, and Cantha. I run a prot monk and he's a nerco. He's SS and we have 5 discords and one support para for the usual 8 man zone. of course, we change it up if we need to a 4 or 6 man zone. discordway kills with a support para. the best thing to do is just find the build that works the best for you.

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I've been waaay behind on the vanquishing, because title-chasing was never my favorite hobby. I jumped in guild groups for just about everyone else's title hunts, FoW trips, vanquishes, missions on their 18th toon, and more...so I've just started vanquishing with any regularity...

Anyway, my primary is a ranger, and I've made it a point to try to avoid "whatever-way," only because I rather like geeking with builds. I've been clearing Nightfall with some relatively common combinations that might be worth sharing, might not.

(Me, the ranger): Conjure flame/frost/lightning, barrage, savage shot, distracting shot, whirling defense, "I am the Strongest," 2 utility slots. While the pretty yellow numbers of splinter barrage are nice, I find that this can pile on the damage on the targets nicely--hitting with a bow (uncustomized) for 65-95 in HM.
In the utility slots, you could add a variety of things--trolls, some kind of nature spirit, Sloth Hunter's Shot, other PvE-only skills, a rez.

Necro/Rit: Minion Bomber: Animate Minion (the skill that brings 2 up), Jagged Bones, Death Nova, Signet of Lost Souls, and then, what I regard as two really useful skills: Sundering Weapon, a rit weapon spell from EotN; and Splinter Weapon. Sundering Weapon causes 6-8 seconds of cracked armor, which I think is great in HM...more on this in a moment. 2 more utility slots: a rez, and whatever else you like.

Ele/mesmer: Whatever vanquishing build you like. I like all the heats: Tenai's, Savannah, Bed of Coals, Rodgort's Invocation, and so on, or a Searing Flames nuker: Rodgort's Invocation, Tenai's heat, Searing Flames, and some more... Again, there is one vital skill here: This character should bring Epidemic.

Why epidemic? If cast after Sundering Weapon is used, you inflict cracked armor, lowering the armor of baddies by 20, for 6-8 seconds. Given that HM is hard primarily because of the HP, armor, and skill-bar buffs to the mobs, this eliminates at least one of the advantages of the mobs.

And last hero: PROT monk. Zealous Benediction or Restore Condition, depending on area, with Spirit Bond, Shield of Absorption, Reversal of Fortune, Protective Spirit. I like Mo/Me for Inspired Hex, Mantra of Concentration, Drain Enchantment, or other skills.

In low-corpse areas, drop the MM. I vanquished Ahadashim, with all its darn Djinn, by bringing the prot monk, epidemic nuker, and an interrupt-heavy mesmer, carrying 5 interrupts (2 of which return energy to the mesmer), two pure e-management skills, and a rez. In caster-heavy areas, the mesmer is awesome, and I drop barrage, carry Sundering Weapon on myself, and use Broad Head Arrow, Savage, and D-shot. Gwen and I prevented most deaths in Ahadashim by not letting Ruby Djinns get anything off-- I managed her on one djinn, and concentrated my shots on another.

To fill out the party, if you're Hero-and-Henching: 1 melee hero (I prefer the warrior), one healer. If she's available, Herta; and then usually another fire magic hench.

If I bring a friend, I usually request an Earth-magic warder/snarer: nothing helps like boosting the team's armor, slowing down enemies, keeping your party upright, and mitigating damage, like the warder.

If another elementalist is not available, then a mixed leadership-motivation paragon (with 1 or 2 spear attacks) (or Sogolon, the hench in NF) is nice, as is an SS necro, or channeling/spirit-spammer rit.

In general, I personally think that, if you're building heroes, using a secondary is vital--get familiar with an array of skills. The secondary skills should help the party wherever possible-- either party-wide buffs (Aegis, Shouts, Chants, Echoes, Wards, Wells, Cautery Sig, and the like), or enemy debuffs (condition-spreading debuffs, shouts, wells, and some of the mesmer skills).

Damage is nice--who, after all, doesn't love the pretty yellow numbers?--but some of the hidden work--of conditions, interrupts, debuffs, wards, and snares--is really vital in hard mode.